Fought the cancer and won now....

[Diabolical]

Okay,

I dont belive I didnt post this here...only at bolex and RM (before I had some bros here) about my Testi cancer.

Well, turns out I beat the hell out of it....it stood no chance against me, as I am an animal

Anyways, do you think that since the cancer is now non-existant that I can now start cycling again.

I had to stop mid-cycle when I found out and it was depressing.

I lost a little muscle, but am still looking pretty good.

Would another cycle or two be safe, being that I am now 100% healthy?

All input on this subject is greatly appreciated.

-Dr. D

 

[kingc_79]

i just wanna give you a big congratulations on beating the cancer. and doin another cycle.........personally i wouldnt but i dunno if it will actually hurt. i'm sure someone does tho. good luck man

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Congrats Brother...That is amazing that you beat it and your 100% again.

I would do some resarch on what AAS products trigger cell growth like that..I believe someone asked about this awhile ago..Try to use the Search option

 

[Rio 2001]

Man I´m very happy that you recovered, but I am curious...
Was it malignant?
Did it have any connection with prior AS usage?
Did it developed on an already atrophied testicle ( more likely to happen on those...)?
Aren´t you afraid to have another by cycling again???
I´m sorry for all that, I figure if you had the balls ( ball, sorry...)and the generosity to share this with us, maybe you can answer the inevitable questions that such a reveletion will uprise?
Anyway, karma to you since that´s all beating cancer is all about...

 

[T Bone]

Congratsulation Bro! Be careful. I can't advise, just wanted to say congrats.


T Bone

 

[bigp3]

I would avoid gh for sure it makes all cells grow,,, or so they say and I would check with your doc bro. Honestly though, I dont know that the roids would effect you.

Check this shit out. There is a bro of mine at the gym that had stomach cancer and he swears that he staid on while going through treatment and it helped him keep the weight on and win the war. They told him that he only had a 10% chance of living and that was 5 years ago. He is a beast now at 6' tall and over 300lbs of solid mass. He has never given up the AAS's. I guess it is all a thing of are you willing to take the chance or not. They told my bro he would die and he is healthy and stronger then ever, so who knows...

Best of Luck,

P

 

[crmdogg]

congrats bro, you are truly an animal, I would be carefull and do my homework regarding the cycles though.

 

[Diabolical]

Man I´m very happy that you recovered, but I am curious...
Was it malignant?
Did it have any connection with prior AS usage?
Did it developed on an already atrophied testicle ( more likely to happen on those...)?
Aren´t you afraid to have another by cycling again???
I´m sorry for all that, I figure if you had the balls ( ball, sorry...)and the generosity to share this with us, maybe you can answer the inevitable questions that such a reveletion will uprise?
Anyway, karma to you since that´s all beating cancer is all about...

1. It was seranoma (germ cell cancer)
2. No connection to prior AAS usage
3. An atrophied testicle??? What does this mean (doc never mentioned this)
4.Since I do not know the answer to #3 I cannot answer

The doc said that it didnt go up the tube leading from the testi and it would have had to that to spread to other locations.

And all AAS (except var) promote tissue growth....but since I will have no more cancerous cells..I figured that it couldnt have an effect on any further cancer.

I will also ask my doc, that if you have had cancer once, are the chances of getting cancer in the future greater (if he says no, then I believe a cycle would be safe)

Thanks for all knowledge on this subject, and further knowledge is welcome aswell.

Damn...I wish I was a real doctor, then I would know myself

-Dr. D

 

[Rio 2001]

You are probably referring to seminoma, it´s the most common test malignancy, as testicular cancer is the most common malignancy in young male adults between 15 and 30yold.Genetic predisposition,atrophy( shrinkage) of testes is one possible cause, and hormone fluctuation, specially high estrogen levels have been linked to it.
Ref. Campbell´s - Hormones


Sex hormone fluctuations may contribute to the development of testicular tumors in experimental animals and humans. The administration of estrogen to pregnant mice may cause maldescent and dysgenesis of the testis in the offspring ([62] Nomura & Kanzak, 1977). Similar findings have been noted in the sons of women exposed to diethylstilbestrol ([39] Cosgrove et al, 1977) or oral contraceptives ([66] Rothman & Louik, 1978). Exogenous estrogen administration has also been linked to the induction of Leydig’s cell tumors. Epidemiologic studies found relative risk rates ranging from 2.8% to 5.3% for testicular tumor in the sons of diethylstilbestrol-treated mothers ([67] Schottenfeld et al, 1980; [50] Henderson et al, 1983).

Atrophy
Nonspecific or mumps-associated atrophy of the testis has been suggested as a potential causative factor in testicular cancer. [43] Gilbert (1944) found 80 cases of testicular tumors occurring in patients with a history of nonspecific atrophy and 24 additional cases related to a previous history of mumps-associated orchitis among 5500 cases of testicular tumor. Although a causative role for atrophy remains speculative, it is tempting to invoke local hormonal imbalance as a possible cause of malignant transformation.


If you ever going ON again, despite evidence advising against ( impossible to go ON and don´t get hormonal fluctuations), don´t use HCG also, for mainly 2 reasons: - It will affect testis growth directly, possibly initiating proliferation of a dormant malignant cell ( this goes for HGH also), and second because HCG is a marker for testicular cancer recidive and if your doctors see a high HCG value they will think your cancer is back.

Good news is that cure index is almost 100%, when it did not invade tubules like you described, and inguinal radical orchyectomy is performed.

If there is anything else you want to know, a good friend of mine is the head of urologic surgery in the largest oncology hospital here in my country´and would gladly answer any question.

 

[C-Rock455]

Rio,
Are you sayying that the use of AAS could cause testicle cancer?
If so what kind of chances are we talking about here?

 

[Diabolical]

Hey Rio,

While the infected testicle had the mass gain in it, the other one seemed to shrink a little.

I also got Gyno before my AAS use (estrogen levels to high)

What do you make of the statement above?

Also, I only plan on running Test, EQ, Deca, dbol, and maybe tren (not at the same time)

Since I cant use HCG for PCT, is clomid still okay? (if indeed you inform me that running a few of the compounds above is okay)

Bro, I will give hella Karma to you for these responses

-Dr. D

 

[RADAR1]

Diabolical i had very simular problems 25 yrs ago myself as far as being cancer free they give you a grace peroid of 5 yrs,if no new maligament cells develop during that time then you are home free as far as aas usage i would reccomend starting at a low dose and work from there!


RADAR

 

[Diabolical]

You are probably referring to seminoma, it´s the most common test malignancy, as testicular cancer is the most common malignancy in young male adults between 15 and 30yold.Genetic predisposition,atrophy( shrinkage) of testes is one possible cause, and hormone fluctuation, specially high estrogen levels have been linked to it.

The gyno was from andro (i know...i know..tisk,tisk)
Could this have played a role in my cancer?

-Dr. D

 

[Diabolical]

Diabolical i had very simular problems 25 yrs ago myself as far as being cancer free they give you a grace peroid of 5 yrs,if no new maligament cells develop during that time then you are home free as far as aas usage i would reccomend starting at a low dose and work from there!


RADAR

So, I could use a low dose (500mg of test) before the 5 years of remission, then once remission is complete...I can do cycles of choice and not just test only?

Thanks bro,
-Dr. D

 

[Rio 2001]

Rio,
Are you sayying that the use of AAS could cause testicle cancer?
If so what kind of chances are we talking about here?

Actually nobody knows that, it has never been linked directly.
But since testis cancer is more frequent ( in the genectically predisposed between ages 15-35) if testis atrophy is present , if hormonal gonadal fluctuations happens and estrogen level are high, and all these can happen during AS usage, I say I wouldn´t be confortable to take chances just because there is no specific evidence . I mean,Testis cancer incidence is rare, and there is not a single case related to AS usage, but if I have had it and there was the slightest chance of it being gonadal hormone related , I wouldn´t touch AS again.But hey, that´s me.

 

[C-Rock455]

Diabolical, You said " I got gyno before I ever started AAS".
Do you mean full fledged gyno or hard lumps or soreness of nipples? I get lumps and soreness under my nipples when I'm not on a cycle. What does this mean?

 

[Diabolical]

Diabolical, You said " I got gyno before I ever started AAS".
Do you mean full fledged gyno or hard lumps or soreness of nipples? I get lumps and soreness under my nipples when I'm not on a cycle. What does this mean?

I got full fledged gyno......as for you....I think it is just the estrogen rebound after coming off of the anti-e's post cycle.

 

[Rio 2001]

So, I could use a low dose (500mg of test) before the 5 years of remission, then once remission is complete...I can do cycles of choice and not just test only?

Thanks bro,
-Dr. D

I think he meant NO AS for 5 years , and if still clear, go for it.
As for Test usage, I wouldn´t consider it even with anti aromatization. Non aromatizing would be better, but I still don´t think you should gamble with that. As far as Cancer goes CURE is not guaranteed upon removal of the mass, but if you stay clear for at least 5 years . I really don´t see how you can do any cycle without causing gonadal hormone fluctuation. I´ll meet some URO surgeons tomorrow, see what I can learn from them then I´ll keep you informed, OK?

 

[Diabolical]

Sounds good bro.

I know I can use Var(promotes no tissue growth, clinically proven...natty at steroidology uses to prevent wasting)
and maybe I could use Var and EQ (low aromitization)

Keep me informed,
-Dr. D

 

[Diabolical]

hey bro,m congrats on beating off the cancer

Is thier a sexual inuendo within that statement....

 

[tiger88]

hey bro,m congrats on beating off the cancer

 

[RADAR1]

So, I could use a low dose (500mg of test) before the 5 years of remission, then once remission is complete...I can do cycles of choice and not just test only?

Thanks bro,
-Dr. D

I dont reccommend going that high right off the bat ,try 10 weeks at 250mg of test to see how you do,and work from there.



RADAR

 

[louly]

Hey buddy thats great news.Way to kick it's ass!In terms of future use just start with low dosages and keep up with seeing the doc regularly-good luck.