Forced to continue steroids?

[MangoMan305]

Ive been reading up on many forums and different sites with information, but I have been unable to find a solid answer on this subject.

If you do 1 Cycle, will you be forced to keep on doing cycles to keep your size or can you simply keep training and dieting to keep those gains, and even gain more later on.

Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I cant find an answer.

 

[rambleon]

Ive been reading up on many forums and different sites with information, but I have been unable to find a solid answer on this subject.

If you do 1 Cycle, will you be forced to keep on doing cycles to keep your size or can you simply keep training and dieting to keep those gains, and even gain more later on.

Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I cant find an answer.

ur really asking 2 questions u know:

1) Can i keep the gains from a cycle? Nobody keeps all but with proper pct and training and diet spot on u can keep a good deal depending on the cycle and ur genetics. Most compounds will have u keep more strength than size but as I said u can keep some of the size too if u juice smart.

2) Will i be able to grow without it if i start juicing (even with only 1 cycle)?
Many people find that once they start juicing making natty gains becomes very hard. This is one reason juice should only be considered when ones natural potential is exhausted.

Bear in mind that this is just my take on this and I'm no guru.

Hope this is useful.

 

[needtogetarmy]

You can keep a very sizable amount of your gains after a cycle. A proper PCT, diet and work out regimen can fix anything.

 

[Tatyana]

From an evolutionary viewpoint, muscle is metabollically expensive.

Our bodies like homeostasis, a nice set point so to speak. The body will only hold onto what it can maintain. You can force your body beyond these set points with performance enhancing drugs.

I have seen some guys keep their gains, I have also seen loads get big and then shrink back. More of the latter to be honest.

Muscle is remarkably adaptable, I was reading the biochemical basis of sport performance today, and it was talking about how quickly muscle hypertrophies due to training (most should see muscle gain within 15 training sessions), and how muscle hypotrophy (shrinkage) could occur within days of not training or incorrect diet.

This is the problem with gear, for most, one cycle is not enough. Most just love the gains they make, how they feel when on, and go back on.

I do think some of the sides are cumulative, especially those related to psychological issues.

I was just given the 'lowdown' on loads of competitive bodybuilders that I know in the UK by my coach, and in all honesty, the fall out is not pretty nor clever.

There is nothing wrong with the sensible use of drugs, but there is the rub, there are far too many do not use sensibly IMHO and do damage to not only the reputation and benefits of bodybuilding, but to those that do use responsibly.

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[goku_kakarot77]

ur really asking 2 questions u know:

1) Can i keep the gains from a cycle? Nobody keeps all but with proper PCT - post cycle therapy - and training and diet spot on u can keep a good deal depending on the cycle and ur genetics. Most compounds will have u keep more strength than size but as I said u can keep some of the size too if u juice smart.

2) Will i be able to grow without it if i start juicing (even with only 1 cycle)?
Many people find that once they start juicing making natty gains becomes very hard. This is one reason juice should only be considered when ones natural potential is exhausted.

Bear in mind that this is just my take on this and I'm no guru.

Hope this is useful.

i did a cycle when i was 18, 500 mgs sustanon for about 6 weeks, i was an idiot didnt know how to train or eat properly then and notice little to non results and i also did not get shut down, but after the cycle i was natty and trained properly and ate properly in about 4 months and no shit i i went from about 95-110kg , and some say it closes your growth plates and thats true but i also have grown taller since the cycle too, v
but again it affects you as an individual, just my 2cc

 

[rambleon]

i did a cycle when i was 18, 500 mgs sustanon for about 6 weeks, i was an idiot didnt know how to train or eat properly then and notice little to non results and i also did not get shut down, but after the cycle i was natty and trained properly and ate properly in about 4 months and no shit i i went from about 95-110kg , and some say it closes your growth plates and thats true but i also have grown taller since the cycle too, v
but again it affects you as an individual, just my 2cc

I do not dispute that this can happen. I just say that a lot of peeps find it hard growing natty after juicing. Obv I agree that it's an individual thing. I wouldn't wanna chance it knowingly in his situation tho. Would u?

 

[holy ghost]

My best advice would be to not burn your receptors out too early in your training career....

 

[MangoMan305]

My best advice would be to not burn your receptors out too early in your training career....

Yea I was thinking the same, Im still young in my training career. Im thinking of going all out the next 2 months training as well I can and eating as much clean food I can and seeing how many pounds I can put on. Hopefully after those two months I can see enough results to persuade myself out of using steroids.

Thank you all for the replies.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

I do not dispute that this can happen. I just say that a lot of peeps find it hard growing natty after juicing. Obv I agree that it's an individual thing. I wouldn't wanna chance it knowingly in his situation tho. Would u?

i probably was one of the lucky ones, yes to the maker of the thread , its not worth doing it until you reach a plateau, lift eat sleep and repeat, and surely you will grow

goku

 

[Varga]

Ive been reading up on many forums and different sites with information, but I have been unable to find a solid answer on this subject.

If you do 1 Cycle, will you be forced to keep on doing cycles to keep your size or can you simply keep training and dieting to keep those gains, and even gain more later on.

Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I cant find an answer.

This is too much to try to answer so I will just guide you if you willing to do the research, there are so many variables and your genetics-of course!

First, do a deep research into characteristics of each compound including PCT. The better you understand how each compound works the better you can use them in your favor.

Second, do not just take what others say as your guide to cycling -big mistake...80% or so of people do not know what they are talking about or what works for them will not work for you.

Third, explore your exercise/diet/sleep-basically learn your body to the best of your ability

Once you mastered or answered the above 3 things then you will be able to cycle properly and keep 95% of gains. And yes, it is possible to keep your gains from the cycle if the cycle is no longer than 20 weeks. After 20 weeks it is a big gamble on how you recover and what you can keep

Good luck

 

[Selfcentor]

Good post...I was wondering the same thing..

 

[boyer]

I feel that you are pretty much "forced to continue steroids". Everyone is genetically only able to carry so much lean body mass, without drugs and even with them for some advanced users. If you stop using you will eventually shrink back down to your genetic max. I planned on doing just one cycle to break through plateaus, but once I was off, I started to lose weight and quickly planned my second. I'm currently on my fourth, which I plan to stay on at least a cruising dose of test indefinatley. This is why you see some guys on the boards all the time and all of the sudden their just gone. Alot of these guys just say scew it altogher, although we unfortunately do see some become invisible for other reasons. I feel that once you start, you're either keep going or nothing. Sometimes I wish I would have just stayed natural, but than again I probably never would say that after or during a workout.

 

[MangoMan305]

I feel that you are pretty much "forced to continue steroids". Everyone is genetically only able to carry so much lean body mass, without drugs and even with them for some advanced users. If you stop using you will eventually shrink back down to your genetic max. I planned on doing just one cycle to break through plateaus, but once I was off, I started to lose weight and quickly planned my second. I'm currently on my fourth, which I plan to stay on at least a cruising dose of test indefinatley. This is why you see some guys on the boards all the time and all of the sudden their just gone. Alot of these guys just say scew it altogher, although we unfortunately do see some become invisible for other reasons. I feel that once you start, you're either keep going or nothing. Sometimes I wish I would have just stayed natural, but than again I probably never would say that after or during a workout.

Good post

 

[glover]

The main reason you lose your gains is not the discontinuation of steroids but rather the lack of effort in the gym. After increasing muscle mass above what your body would normally maintain you have to train extremely hard. Very few can train in this manner and that is why you see most gone. They have moved on to something easier.

 

[Varga]

Well said,
how many lift the same weights on cycle or off cycle?
Very few....why? Because it's freak in hard but if you do, there is no way your body will shrink. Your body will adapt and even if not able to build muscle will keep what you have already.

Max limits for a person are alot higher than some of you think....my max limit for ex. at 6ft used to be 220 with 18%bf -now my limit has gone to 230 at 10bf and I have to eat 3500k a day just to maintain no juice or nothing just some creatine. Imagine if I want to be 260 at 10% bf my maintenace caloric intake would be around 5k daily most likely....crazy but that's what it takes

Off cycle you should eat at least 3k-4k of calories to feed the muscle and allow for heavy workouts, many ppl just do not know how to train and eat.

What all need to understand muscle comes at a high premium to the body's everyday;s functions. When food is missing the first to go is ....you guessed it muscle! Then you lose weight and then you put on fat which is much more easier for out bodies to maintain.

 

[Gmorris]

First things first: For optimal performance, do not use AAS until your natural growth has leveled off (Though I do not know of too many people who followed this suggestion...I know I was too impatient)

Yes, with good PCT you can keep a lot of your gains, but you have to be tough mentally and fight your way into the gym and train just as hard as you did while juicing.

I have just come off of a two year break after tearing my anterior delt, and have only been training now for 2 1/2 months, and all my strength is coming back fast. I'm making VERY noticable gains and I feel great...this is without any AAS or supplementation at all except for protein. I've used AAS since age 19 off and on (30 now), so: No, you are not FORCED to use them forever.

 

[slat1]

Its all diet no matter if you are on gear or not.
I can outgrow guys at my gym who are on a gram of test when I am clean.
When I am clean I extremely low test levels. The equivalent of producing 30mgs/week.

 

[halfcenturian]

The main reason you lose your gains is not the discontinuation of steroids but rather the lack of effort in the gym. After increasing muscle mass above what your body would normally maintain you have to train extremely hard. Very few can train in this manner and that is why you see most gone. They have moved on to something easier.

Wrong. Nobody can train natty at the same level as when on cycle.
I lose 20/30 pounds on my max lifts off cycle. I try like hell. Doesn't happen.
But I use shit like: Tren, Var, Deca, Drol, Halo.
When you go off that shit. you WILL lose size, shape, and strength.
IMHO, It's just a matter of how much.
However, based on your off cycle diet / trainig program you can minimize it.

 

[glover]

Your losing water weight and strength, never said anything about that. Said you could maintain muscle if you trained hard. Of course your going to lose your extra 20/30 lbs did you really think that was muscle anyway. Of course your strength will go down. We all know this. The question was about size.

I was assuming he was not taking bloat into consideration.

If you or anyone else goes back down to their original pre steroid size then why would they bother. Muscle can be retained. I think that what you don't realize is how much of your gains are actually muscle vs. water. Water is always going to be temporary.

 

[boyer]

Its all diet no matter if you are on gear or not.
I can outgrow guys at my gym who are on a gram of test when I am clean.
When I am clean I extremely low test levels. The equivalent of producing 30mgs/week.

Hey puff puff give.

 

[holy ghost]

Its all diet no matter if you are on gear or not.
I can outgrow guys at my gym who are on a gram of test when I am clean.
When I am clean I extremely low test levels. The equivalent of producing 30mgs/week.

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