First time, in need of help

[elninoloco11]

Hey, thanks for looking. I am in need of some help with my first cycle. I have done plenty of PHs and ready for the next step. I am 26, 13% BF, 75 inches , 210 lbs, been lifting for 10 years, been actually training and being smart with diet, lifting and cardio for 5. First cycle I am thinking about is:

1-10 Primobolan Depot 400mg (Sunday/Wednesday)
6-10 HCG 350mg (Sunday/Wednesday)

PCT
1-4 Nolva or Clomid not sure which one would be best (1 week after last injection)

I was also thinking about running Test P and Tren for my first one but I like what I have read about Primobolan Depot and how it doesn't have any sides. My goal out of the whole thing is just to add lean mass and little to no water weight.

Thanks for the help/insight!

 

[Raptor67]

Primobolan depo needs to be ran much longer than ten weeks, I would do 16, and your pct is shit. There is a lot to be learned on this board, read some more. And being your first cycle, nearly everyone will recommend using test by itself.

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[elninoloco11]

Primobolan depo needs to be ran much longer than ten weeks, I would do 16, and your pct is shit. There is a lot to be learned on this board, read some more. And being your first cycle, nearly everyone will recommend using test by itself.

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I appreciate it man. I can run it for 16 no problem and I read the sticky on the PCT. What would the Test P only cycle look like?

 

[Raptor67]

Test p should be pinned eod for 8 weeks, I would go 400-500mg per week

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[dylangemelli]

there is no need to run 500 mg of test on a first cycle... prop is not the best option for a beginner either considering the frequent pinning and the chance of continuous pip... It depends on the prop you are getting though, because if its high quality, there should not be pip present...

I absolutely love primo... It is my favorite steroid... You could just run a simple test and primo cycle... run your test lower and let primo shine...

1-14 test e 300-350 mg week
1-14 primo 600 mg week
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg eod ag-guys.com
7-12 hcgenerate ES ntbm.com
13-16 hcgenerate ntbm.com

pct 17-20

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com
unleahsed/post cycle combo ntbm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod


Optional
Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

Phytoserms and HCGenerate
can be used in place of the Unleashed/post cycle combo if they are out of stock

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[elninoloco11]

Test p should be pinned eod for 8 weeks, I would go 400-500mg per week

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Thanks man, I'll do some more research, truly appreciate the help!

 

[elninoloco11]

Hey thanks dylang! Would I want to run Test P instead of Test E incase any sides start to pop up quick, sense Test P doesn't last as long as Test E does in the body or just run it like you said. Also for PCT would Unleashed/PCT with nolva be sufficient. I read the PCT thread yesterday talking about how crazy PCTs have gotten and that Unleashed/PCT would be enough for most cycles. Anyways thanks for the help/knowledge, much appreciated!

 

[elninoloco11]

Dylang, I looked up Ketoburn, wouldn't it just be better and cheaper to buy T3 and use that. Have you had any experiences with T3?

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey thanks dylang! Would I want to run Test P instead of Test E incase any sides start to pop up quick, sense Test P doesn't last as long as Test E does in the body or just run it like you said. Also for PCT would Unleashed/PCT with nolva be sufficient. I read the PCT thread yesterday talking about how crazy PCTs have gotten and that Unleashed/PCT would be enough for most cycles. Anyways thanks for the help/knowledge, much appreciated!

this isn't tren were talking about, so test e will be just fine...

you can run whatever pct you like, i wrote optional on the things that weren't must haves but still have benefit... noone is forcing anything... i just prefer to run a more extensive pct... while the main focus of pct is absolutely recovery, there are other issues that should be addressed as well and i cover everything with what i recommend... what you decide is completely up to you... i would like to think my results speak for themselves...

 

[dylangemelli]

Dylang, I looked up Ketoburn, wouldn't it just be better and cheaper to buy T3 and use that. Have you had any experiences with T3?

those are two completely different concepts and you absolutely would not run t3 in pct... t3 is a muscle waster and can be dangerous... keto burn is to control cortisol that could be an issue when coming off... i would stay away from t3...