First Test Proving Clomid Repairs the HPTA in Steroid Abusers

[JoBu]

How do you use Nolva post cycle (dosgase, for how long)? I don't like clomid anymore, because although it seems to work for me, I get terrible acne. I remeber reading that Nolva @ 20mg ED should be as effective as clomid, but I would like to hear from someone who has actually tried it.

I just finished a short mild Fina cycle and started Clomid...150mg on day one. The next day I had difficulty getting completely erect and although I puleed it off okay I was very concerned to say the least...had ZERO problems while on. I immediately went off Clomid and all was back to normal the next day. Might have been a coincidence but who knows. I've been off for a week now and all is good.

Nelson, I'm interested in your theory of Proviron post-cycle...would this be reasonable after any mild cycle? I'll never do a long or heavy cycle...1-2 compounds for 6-8 weeks at moderate doses is all I'll ever consider. Probably gonna try 250mg test with some EQ or Deca in the late spring.

JoBu

 

[Keep it beefy]

macro: I'll take your word for it. But that's the thing with Clomid. It seems as if every study has another to disprove the last one. I've seen studies that show it raises, LH, others that show a lowering. Same thing with SHBG. Sometimes lower, sometimes higher. Same thing with estrogen. I don't have the scientific reason behind this,(Huck? Fonz?) but I do know it has equally unpredictable effects on those who use it. Some people get a boost in libido, others a drop. It restores some guys, while supresses others. I don't exactly know the process/pathway for this but I do know if you're on the losing side of it, it really sucks. And besides, as I've contended before, it isn't needed nearly as much as people believe it is -- even if it works for you.

the only thing is, those factors (i.e. people who "think" their libido drops, or people who say they have troubles getting hard on clomid) are very subjective. i mean, if you're fooling around, andyou're really paranoid about your sexual function, that'll shut you down right there. the thing is, you're coming off cycle, so of course it's going to seem like you're coming down off a high. you're likely to feel maybe lethargic, tired, and have a few weeks of low test. not everyone is going to be able to go off cycle, get on clomid and feel fine. of course they're going to say "fuckin shit doesn't work, i lost size, and i'm not horny anymore" well of course your not, you don't have supraphysiological levels of androgens floating around anymore. it's all part of the game. but to say clomid doens't help based on peoples opinions, well, i think there is a lot of subjectivity/bias involved. i would believe a double blind study before some guy's personal testimonial:

"I just finished a short mild Fina cycle and started Clomid...150mg on day one. The next day I had difficulty getting completely erect and although I puleed it off okay I was very concerned to say the least...had ZERO problems while on. I immediately went off Clomid and all was back to normal the next day."

i mean, no offense bro, but you must see how what you said doens't really make sense. especially since clomid has a long half life, and blood levels of clomid during the second day when you felt "normal" were likely to be as high as the day before.

-beef

 

[Nelson Montana]

Keep it: I see your point, but that isn't the case.

I've always recovered fine without Clomid, the once I started using it, recovery was slower. (Couldn't understand why). I've also used it alone (while not on a cycle) and it had the same results. Libido dropped. Erections were weaker. Ejaculate was practically non-existant. The effects lasted about a week after the last dose.

I've had dozens of people write to me with the same problem. They couldn't understand how they were "playng it safe" and feeling worse. It's the Clomid.

Also, why would JoBu feel better after stopping the Clomid if it was still post cycle? Nope. It's the Clomid.

JoBu: Proviron. It's all you need. During cycle if you'r prone to gyno, after cycle if you're prone to a severe loss of libido.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

quite an odd response.. many people have improved, perhaps ravening libido with clomid..

 

[Fonz]

quite an odd response.. many people have improved, perhaps ravening libido with clomid..

Macro, clomid is WAY, WAY overrated.

Cabergoline+ 0.5mgs 3x/week

HCG+ 2500IU's 2-3X/week

Androgel+( AS needed)

proviron(75mgs/day)(Started 6 weeks before the cessation of the cycle)

1. The proviron will take care of your libido, same as the
Cabergoline.

2. Cabergoline will erradicate prolactin and increase GH, LH and FSH.

3. HCG will increase endo test production.

4. Proviron will block HCG's aromatizing effects.

5. Androgel has a minimal impact on LH...and can be substitued
for the 10mg Dball morning theory. So that you don't get depressed due to low test levels.

FOnz

 

[macrophage69alpha]

no argument on prolactin suppression...

but as to clomid being over rated..

its not really under or over rated.. it just is.. dont know anyone that loves clomid.. its a tool.. effective but not without its drawbacks.. like most others..

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

FONZ-You do realize that HCG acts DIRECTLY as L/H right?Therefore your pituitary suppresses its own output.HCG,while good to kick start testicular volume/endo T,is suppressive toward catalystic hormonal production,so you would still be wise to run something that suppress E at the hypothalamic/pituitary regions to trigger onset of hormonal initialization.

 

[Fonz]

FONZ-You do realize that HCG acts DIRECTLY as L/H right?Therefore your pituitary suppresses its own output.HCG,while good to kick start testicular volume/endo T,is suppressive toward catalystic hormonal production,so you would still be wise to run something that suppress E at the hypothalamic/pituitary regions to trigger onset of hormonal initialization.

Thats why there is Proviron.

It increases LH dramatically.

I posted a massive thread at AF...its in the Hall of Fame.

PRroviron is almost always overlooked.

And best of all, no dreaded clomid pimples or moodiness.

Fonz