First cycle - What should I take?

[Supercomputer]

Hi everyone, I am a new member

Lifting for 6 years consistently, 32 years old. Diet and training in check, feel I've hit a plateau, So I decided it's time to bring it to the next level.

Anyways, I was thinking of taking something with keepable gains and low in side effects like Anavar along with Test of course.

But lately I've been thinking if D-bol would be a better choice. Granted it has less keepability but more overall gains. It's also cheaper, but more side effect risky.

So what stack will leave with more after the cycle? Test+Var or Test+Dianabol?

I plan to have an anti estrogen by my side as well as doing pct of course.

Also I've been told I should use short ester Test Propionate as a first cycle so it will be gone sooner in case of bad side effects. As for doses I think of going low (250/w) at first in case of acne etc and then increase it over time. Your thoughts?

Thank you

 

[STTM]

You could run either one.. Really just depends on what your goals are.

I would run Test E or C at 500mg/week.

 

[EZ_E]

"Granted it has less keepability but more overall gains"

Gains are based YOU, keeping them is based on a strong PCT

Test E or C for a 1st cycle is tried and true. I feel like you can go with 350 mg's a week/10-12 weeks.

What do you know about OCT & PCT?

 

[ALIN]

"Granted it has less keepability but more overall gains"

Gains are based YOU, keeping them is based on a strong PCT

Test E or C for a 1st cycle is tried and true. I feel like you can go with 350 mg's a week/10-12 weeks.

What do you know about OCT & PCT?

I like these cycle thoughts as well.
My early cycles were only 250mg every
5-7 days and I made fantastic gains.

 

[EZ_E]

I like these cycle thoughts as well.
My early cycles were only 250mg every
5-7 days and I made fantastic gains.

 

[Supercomputer]

"Granted it has less keepability but more overall gains"

Gains are based YOU, keeping them is based on a strong PCT

Test E or C for a 1st cycle is tried and true. I feel like you can go with 350 mg's a week/10-12 weeks.

What do you know about OCT & PCT?

Yes, I will post my PCT as soon as I know what stuff I can get my hands to and ask for suggestions

Ah, so you reccomend test enth or test C. Is there any specific reason not to go with prop besides having to inject more frequently. Is the pain of prop really that worse? What about possible sides, is prop any safer due to shorter half life?

Thanks

One crazy question; I know it is said testosterone should be the base of all cycles, but I hear so many people doing Anavar alone and being fine..What about trying only Var first and then start test if I notice a shutdown/negative sides of surpression?

 

[STTM]

Prop can be very painful for some, so much that it is not ideal for a first cycle. A lot of labs make Test Ace now, or TPA, which is almost pip free, so if you wanted to go with a shorter ester with more frequent pinning, you could look into those.

A Var only cycle will leave you disappointed. Either go with Test, or Test and Var.

 

[Supercomputer]

You could run either one.. Really just depends on what your goals are.

I would run Test E or C at 500mg/week.

I assume you mean bulk or cut I do not plan to do either one, just a slight recomp at maintenece calories. I was only wondering what will leave me with more once the cycle is over. Asuming proper PCT and everything

 

[STTM]

Honesty, the results would probably end up about the same. Test and Dbol will give you more results in the beginning, and Test and Var would give you more results toward the back end.

 

[EZ_E]

Prop can be very painful for some, so much that it is not ideal for a first cycle. A lot of labs make Test Ace now, or TPA, which is almost pip free, so if you wanted to go with a shorter ester with more frequent pinning, you could look into those.

A Var only cycle will leave you disappointed. Either go with Test, or Test and Var.

Bump. E/C is tried and true. You CAN run prop but no need to re-invent the wheel.

 

[dylangemelli]

there's no sense in putting extra stress on yourself with too many orals when you could simply run sarms and proviron and get better gains, higher keepability, run them longer and have FAR less side effects... read my articles on sarms at Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS) - Evolutionary.org here is an excellent first cycle for you...

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week

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1-12 n2guard n2bm.com

5-12 HCGenerate n2bm.com

13-14 Hcg 1000 ius week



PCT 15-18



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nolva 40/20/20/20 ag-guys.com

aromasin 12..5 mg eod AG-guys.com

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[stevesmi]

I agree with Dylan, why put your body though that?

do 1 oral like oxandrovar only

then make sure you have n2guard on cycle. less sides

GW an hour before your workouts and you are g2g

 

[RickRock13]

I think Oxandrovar or Primoboldex would be a Mich better option to run solo than Anavar. They also would give better results.

For PCT run the following:

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Test Stack 3 caps per day (pm me or see thread in my Sig for info and discounts)
Ostarine 25mg ED

Check out www.sarms1.com and www.ag-guys.com for your ancillaries and sarms

 

[Supercomputer]

Wow so many experts replying but so many different opinions How about just sticking to only simple test for the first time, I've heard one should always take only one compound for the first cycle. The only concern I have with test alone is the supposed low keepability of the gains associated with test only. Is it true you need to stack more than just test to keep more gains? How much can I expect to maintain with test only, assuming PCT & everything is proper?

 

[RickRock13]

Wow so many experts replying but so many different opinions How about just sticking to only simple test for the first time, I've heard one should always take only one compound for the first cycle. The only concern I have with test alone is the supposed low keepability of the gains associated with test only. Is it true you need to stack more than just test to keep more gains? How much can I expect to maintain with test only, assuming PCT & everything is proper?

Test only is perfect for a first cycle honestly. You don't need anything extra with it all, and gains are easier to keep than an oral only cycle. Those tend to come easy and go easy

 

[Supercomputer]

Test only is perfect for a first cycle honestly. You don't need anything extra with it all, and gains are easier to keep than an oral only cycle. Those tend to come easy and go easy

Yes, I've heard injectables are better than orals, but what about this chart?

(can't post links - google "steroid rating chart")

I was looking for something low in sides and high in keepability

I've heard test only cycle gains is almost all water retention, but stacking it for example with deca & d-bol lets you keep almost all If done right of course. Is there any truth to this?

 

[dylangemelli]

Yes, I've heard injectables are better than orals, but what about this chart?

(can't post links - google "steroid rating chart")

I was looking for something low in sides and high in keepability

I've heard test only cycle gains is almost all water retention, but stacking it for example with deca & d-bol lets you keep almost all If done right of course. Is there any truth to this?

your overthinking, your making it too complex and by doing this your going to end up with more issues... you heard this and you heard that... the fact is that no matter what you run, it all depends on YOU... it depends on your consistencies in and out of the gym with diet and training... its all bull shit... yes, dbol is a wet compound and you will absolutely lose some water when your done but what you "heard" about test is complete and utter bull shit in ever regard... you know how you lose gains? by not running an extensive pct and not recovering properly, not controlling estrogen, not having the proper ancillaries, not having a strong bridge in between cycles, not staying consistent... etc... your going to "read" yourself to death and end up making a poor decision... let me put all this in leymans terms for you...

test and dbol... huge gains, less probability of keeping, high toxicity amongst other estrogenic sides

test and anavar... much cleaner gains, higher probability of keeping but high toxicity

test, sarms and proviron... no methylation, little to no sides, cleanest gains, much higher probability of keeping...

 

[Supercomputer]

Thanks for the replying, I'll just stick to test only for the first cycle just as an experiment on myself and then add things like sarms the next time around.

One more question I have is regarding gyno; I had it in my teens when I was obese (just a bit hard part in my nipple) Does that prove I am gyno prone to the point I will certainly get gyno on a test cycle? Also when to start taking AIs (or serms) and how do I know when it is necessary? Thnaks!

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks for the replying, I'll just stick to test only for the first cycle just as an experiment on myself and then add things like sarms the next time around.

One more question I have is regarding gyno; I had it in my teens when I was obese (just a bit hard part in my nipple) Does that prove I am gyno prone to the point I will certainly get gyno on a test cycle? Also when to start taking AIs (or serms) and how do I know when it is necessary? Thnaks!

start aromasin from the start of your cycle at 12.5 mg eod and assess from there... AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer!

 

[RickRock13]

Always start your AI from day 1. You can adjust your dose as needed

 

[dylangemelli]

one mistake that is often made is that people think they don't need an ai... then they wait until gyno starts developing and then for some, its too late and just worsens or they have to turn to letro, which you definitely want to avoid... you can get multiple benefits from PROPER aromasin use... run it responsibly and it will be excellent for you...