First Cycle advice: Anavar & Test Prop

[Para_Shoot]

Ok I've gotta ask "from m previous 2year long cycle". As in 2 years of cycling or 2 straight years of being "on"? If 2 years being on I've got to know what you were taking.

Yes, I was on two years straight, no breaks, no bridges. I was taking 100mg test prop every 3 days. I rotated between 200mg eq, 200mg tren enan and 200mg primo a week with that test prop, meaning I'd take 200mg eq a week for 3 months, then 200mg trene enan for the next 3 months and so on. It wasn't a heavy dose of juice but it was steady.

 

[daveyboy2345]

never run less than 200 mgs of any test. per week, it is a waste of needles and syringes if you do. Unless you are on hrt.

 

[funkyfresh]

Thanks Acela

Daveyboy, I appriciate where you are coming from on this one bro....but even a low dose of test at 150mg ew, this is still quite a boost in test levels.
Perhaps 200mg might be better.

I know what you are saying though, why go for such a low dose and shut down my natural test levels for something so minimal?

But say the average guy produces 70mg of test ew....bumping this up to 100 or 150mg is still quite a jump. Of course, not all that extra 80mg of test in your body is going to be "free" testosterone due to the SHBG, which is another reason to stack it with Var.

Var is said to have quite a pronounced effect on the SHBG, so in other words, it should in theory, help reduce the amount of the test which is trapped by the SHBG and help you get the most out of your test.

Like I said though, I want to keep things as basic and minimal as possible for various reasons (mostly to keep sides to a minimum and for long term health).

I'm not expecting huge gains on such a modest cycle, but I would hope for a nice boost in strength and recovery. How much muscle I gain is gonna be down to my diet, rest and training more so than what AAS I use, but I am hoping a cycle such as this will help give me a little bit of an edge and allow me to train a little harder and recover quicker.

Bodybuilding isn't a short term sport anyway, I believe you have to take the time and put the work in to get the results you want. So if I gain 5 - 10lbs of quality lean muscle in the next year, this too me is a great accomplishment.

 

[DaveTSI]

sounds like youve got all the answers huh. why are you even on here posting about your cycle? why listen to anyone with experience actually doing steroids when you have all your scientific theories

enjoy your female BB cycle

Thanks Acela

Daveyboy, I appriciate where you are coming from on this one bro....but even a low dose of test at 150mg ew, this is still quite a boost in test levels.
Perhaps 200mg might be better.

I know what you are saying though, why go for such a low dose and shut down my natural test levels for something so minimal?

But say the average guy produces 70mg of test ew....bumping this up to 100 or 150mg is still quite a jump. Of course, not all that extra 80mg of test in your body is going to be "free" testosterone due to the sex hormone binding globulin , which is another reason to stack it with Anavar - oxandrolone - .

Var is said to have quite a pronounced effect on the SHBG, so in other words, it should in theory, help reduce the amount of the test which is trapped by the SHBG and help you get the most out of your test.

Like I said though, I want to keep things as basic and minimal as possible for various reasons (mostly to keep sides to a minimum and for long term health).

I'm not expecting huge gains on such a modest cycle, but I would hope for a nice boost in strength and recovery. How much muscle I gain is gonna be down to my diet, rest and training more so than what anabolic androgenic steroids I use, but I am hoping a cycle such as this will help give me a little bit of an edge and allow me to train a little harder and recover quicker.

Bodybuilding isn't a short term sport anyway, I believe you have to take the time and put the work in to get the results you want. So if I gain 5 - 10lbs of quality lean muscle in the next year, this too me is a great accomplishment.

 

[funkyfresh]

No need to be a f*ckin tit about it Dave (is it that time of the month for you or what?, whats with all the attitude?) If I had all the answers, I wouldn't be asking the questions now would I?

Don't get me wrong, I only ask because I am interested to hear people's reasons behind the recommendations they make. I'm not disputing anything, I'm simply curious.

Not trying to disrespect anyone's opinion or anything like that, but it seems a lot of folks give advice without much thought behind what they are saying. Obviously, I don't have the experience, so I cannot speak for myself on that.
But for example; I've heard guys say stuff like "Oh, you need to be taking at least 1g of test with that" but don't actually bother to explain why they are advising this.
Just because someone has taken steroids doesn't mean they know everything and that they are nessessarily right in everything they advise to other people.

That's the whole point of having a discussion board...to learn, ask questions and debate.

Thank you for your input Dave, but you obviously don't really wanna be involved in this thread in the first place judging from your attitude.

OK, you are obviously much more experienced in the subject. But so far, all you've said is "stop being a vag and go with 500mg test minimum"...lol.
That's your opinion and I appriciate that, I'm not saying you are right or wrong to advise that. Thank you for posting. But don't take it personally just because I dare to ask why you are advising that dose...I'm just interested that's all. So no need to get all menstral about it.

Anyway, enough rambling for now...lol. Appriciate all the advice guys (that includes you Dave).

 

[DaveTSI]

The fact is you will waste your time and money doing 200mg a week period. Ive been around the block, trust me, and if you want to take the advice thats your choice. Or you can do it your way and realize that you should have done it the right way the first time. See I already made the mistakes and took the wrong shit and wrong doses and fucked up pct years ago. Maybe you and all the newbs that come here could learn from us vets and our mistakes, thats why we are here. Its your choice to take the advice or not. Your theories sound fine on paper, but thats all it is, a theory.

 

[funkyfresh]

Thanks Dave

I hope you don't think I'm being too much of a d*ck..lol. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone, I just have a tendancy to ask too many damn questions for my own good..lol. I do appriciate the advice bro, seriously, thanks.

I guess I'm just a little bit overly cautious as this is gonna be my first cycle.

 

[2raptors]

I don't know if anyone has asked...but I read that you suffered minor gast0 at age 17....why? Was it natural, AS induced? Illness related? I've read some of the pre-pubes-gyno stuff can be drug reaction related. Don't mean to get personal...just asking for my own Knowledge.

At 22...I would think that you would be dripping with natural levels of testosterone....and I don't understand why you would even cycle AS at all at least for a couple more years...after you've tried eating the store, and tried to discover your genetic limits.

What's your lifting experience? Got pics? I dunno...just seems like you did some good research (Anavar is a potent, fantastic choice)....but why? What have you 'done" in your short adult-state that leads you to belive you are at the end of your potential? I'd give good MONEY to have your test...

Or is there something else medical going on?

Just askin' bro.

Thanks

 

[bsdgeek]

The fact is you will waste your time and money doing 200mg a week period. Ive been around the block, trust me, and if you want to take the advice thats your choice. Or you can do it your way and realize that you should have done it the right way the first time. See I already made the mistakes and took the wrong shit and wrong doses and fucked up PCT - post cycle therapy - years ago. Maybe you and all the newbs that come here could learn from us vets and our mistakes, thats why we are here. Its your choice to take the advice or not. Your theories sound fine on paper, but thats all it is, a theory.

I'm with Dave on this one. And your theory on test and it's absorption in your system is a little skewed. First and foremost, is the t you're getting pharm grade? If it is, then you're good to go with lower doses, say like 200 mg/wk. But if you're buying it off the market, your 200 may be more like a 130 - 150, maybe as high as 180-185-ish. The thing is, you won't know unless you have it tested(market test). So, when someone on here recommends a dose, they're typically going on standard protocol, ie what's generally done, and been proven effective. Also, if you're worried about gyno, then get your AI's and anti-e's before you start. I mean, shit or get off the pot. Have everything ready before you go on, then you won't need to worry about it. Personally, if I were you, for my first cycle, I'd hit a mild test cyp cycle(400 - 500 mg /wk- market grade, less for pharm), for about 10 weeks, then hit your pct. then go get bloodwork to see how you're doing. this will give you some experience in the game, and will be less expensive than anavar. jus my 2 bro, hope this helps.

 

[funkyfresh]

Thanks BSDgeek ....great advice. I must admit, I overlooked the point you made about difference between pharma grade and off the market gear in those terms. It is likely to be British Dragon (legit BD) or CLP test.

2raptors:

The mild gyno certainly wasn't anything drug related. I think it was just a natural accurance. Nothing servere. I've got no medical problems nor have taken recreation drugs before...so it must have just been down to a flux in hormones or something, can't really say for sure?

I understand where you are coming from, which is exactly the reason why I don't want to go with a heavy cycle. I really just want something to boost my strength and recovery. Anavar seemed like a much better choice than prohormones and seems like a good choice for various reasons as I've already outlined in the previous posts.

I've been lifting since I was about 19, so 3 - 4 years total (probably 3 years seriously). Started at around 155lbs @ 5ft 6 1/2. Bulked up to 167lbs in my first year of lifting, ate like a horse. Bodyfat was around 15 - 16% at that time. Cut back to 161lbs as I felt I was getting too fat...lol. Then over the last few years I've got upto 174lbs with a current bodyfat ratio of 13% which was mainly due to revising my diet.

My long term goal is to hopefully reach a bodyweight of around 180lbs - 185lbs with bodyfat levels in the single digits (so probably need to bulk upto 190lbs to achieve that). I don't aim to get super big as I don't believe this is best for my frame and would ultimately ruin my physique.

Maybe you are right, I probably haven't reached my genetic/natural potential...I really don't know. But I definately seem to be having a harder time these days. Training has becoming a little stagnant...progress has been much slower. Obviously it all takes time and you have to be patient. But I am just hoping to get that little extra "kick" which would allow me to a little train harder and recover better.
I really don't think 185lbs ripped @ 5ft 6 1/2 is within my genetic potential naturally.

I hope that answers your questions and thanks for the advice.