First Cycle advice: Anavar & Test Prop

[funkyfresh]

Hey guys,

Yes, I know the dose I am preposing is very low...I may think about upping this. But I really wanted to start with something very light to start with as I'm really trying to avoid any major side effects.

Do you guys think 150mg - 200mg of Test Prop a week with Finastride would be fairly safe as far as hair loss is concerned?

 

[perryscoon]

Hey guys,

Yes, I know the dose I am preposing is very low...I may think about upping this. But I really wanted to start with something very light to start with as I'm really trying to avoid any major side effects.

Do you guys think 150mg - 200mg of Test testosterone propionate a week with Finastride would be fairly safe as far as hair loss is concerned?

I've used a gram of Sust per week on several cycles and have never gone less than 500mg/wk. I've never experienced any hairloss(knocks on wood).

So, no. Unless you are SUPER proned to it, I can't imagine you would lose hair on that low of a dose.

 

[funkyfresh]

Hi guys,

Just been doing some further reading into Test Prop and I've been hearing some pretty nasty things about the injections from it. I'm not sure if this is dose dependant, but it would seem that Test Prop does have a reputation for painful injections.

I am now thinking Test E might be a better idea as already suggested? as I don't want to take anything which may interfere with my training because of a painful injection..etc.

Anavar 40 - 50mg ED weeks 1 - 8
Test E - 100mg every 4th day weeks 1 - 8
Arimidex - 0.5mg EOD weeks 1 - 8

PCT - starting 4 days after last test jab
Nolvadex - 60mg day 1
40mg day 2 - 4
20mg day 4 - 20

Hair Loss Stack:
Finastride - 1mg ED
Topical Spiro 5% - applied each evening before bed
Nizoral 2% ED

Was also thinking of adding 0.5mg of Dutasteride every 7th day in placement of finastride for extra hairloss protection?...not sure if this a good idea though?

 

[DaveTSI]

youre dosing the test too low stop being a vag and up it. all your going to do is shut yourself down and get minimal gains. and dont worry about using prop, its not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. but enan is prob a better choice for you being your first cycle. run the test at 250mg every 4-5 days at the very least imo.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I see no reason for prop because it clears faster. Just use a lower dose. Why inject daily?

Finastride is an anti androgen and may exasperate gyno.

 

[funkyfresh]

LOL...thanks dave.

 

[funkyfresh]

Hey Nelson,

That's actually a very valid point....I could just use a lower dose of Test E to the same effect, which is basiclly what I've been thinking now.

Yes, Finastride is an anti androgen and I have been taking this for about a year now to good effect (no sides).

But gyno is a concern when taking test, especially with finastride or any anti androgen, which is why I am intending on adding an anti-e to that cycle (probably 0.5mg of adex EOD).

Thanks
J

 

[kidd73]

Funny you speak of this cycle. I started the same thing this week. I'm just taking 50mg test testosterone propionate once on Monday and once on Thursday. I'm taking 35mg anavar everyday. I'm also using regular Dermacrine. I'm already where I want to be size and physique wise from m previous 2year long cycle. I figure I'd do something light just to carry on. I don't see any problem of excess estrogen with what little testosterone propionate I'm using along with the Dermacrine. I think it's going to be a nice, long term, mild cycle for myself.

Ok I've gotta ask "from m previous 2year long cycle". As in 2 years of cycling or 2 straight years of being "on"? If 2 years being on I've got to know what you were taking.

 

[goin on 4T]

The prop is the cleanest. I am not an Test expert so I am sure someone with greater knowledge on the subject can tell you details. If you are worried about the prop. pain get some grapeseed oil to cut the prop. with. Make sure it is sterile GS oil!
That should take care of your pain issues.

 

[Acela]

I think that's a neat lil' cycle. i also like how you are a proponent of minimal doses and it appears that your intention is to have a diet that is "spot on" in order to get lean muscle gains. I think you might be happier with at least 200mgs of total test EW, but i'm sure 150mgs will maintain libido

keep us posted and good luck

Hi Guys,

OK, I’m hoping to do my first ever cycle the beginning/middle of January for 8 – 10 weeks and was hoping some of you pro’s could give me some advice 

I’ve done a lot of research into anabolic androgenic steroids and pretty much made up my mind from day one that Anavar is probably gonna be the best bet for me for several reasons.

Firstly, I’m pretty sensitive to dihydrotestosterone and estrogen which has been evident from experiences in my teens (I’m 22 now).
I suffered a mild case of pubertal gynecomastia when I was about 16 or 17 which thankfully diminished quite quickly and didn’t progress any further. Basiclly, my nipples became very sensitive for about 2 or 3 weeks and I could feel 2 hard lumps behind them. At the time I didn’t know what this was. But thankfully, it didn’t last very long and soon went away on it’s own accord.
I do believe I am quite prone to estrogenic fat deposits although my bodyfat isn’t actually that high at the moment (probably around 13 or 14% at the moment) but I do seem to store fat around my nipples and lower back area more so than my stomach. I do seem to be quite sensitive to water retention aswell, so all this has led me to believe I’m pretty sensitive to estrogen.

There is also a history of MPB in my family on my father’s side, although neither I or my brother have suffered any major hairloss issues.
But again, when I was about 18 I did suffer from some very minor thinning around the crown area, but generally I have a very thick head of hair.

I started taking some finastride/propecia about a year and a half ago after I found my scalp becoming more and more irritated and ichy and nothing seemed to help it, but a combination of finastride and nizoral has definitely sorted all this out and I have suffered no side effects or hair related problems since.

Hair loss is a real worry for me, I know a lot of guys just say let it be and shave it off or whatever, but it’s kind of hard to let go…lol.

Anyways, to cut to the chase….all this has led me to believe I am pretty sensitive to estrogen and dihydrotestosterone, which is the main reason why I have opted for Anavar.

I have found a legit source and am planning on an 8 week cycle of 50mg ED.

I know Anavar - oxandrolone - isn’t always as mild as it would seem on paper, so I’ve stocked up on all the necessary precautions such as milk thistle (legalon)/liv 52, Cholesterol Support, Niacin, EFA Oils, Kidney Support…etc.

I am not expecting any miracles in gains, but I hoping for a nice boost in strength and recovery. I would actually prefer to add weight gradually, rather than take loads of anabolic androgenic steroids and try to gain 20lbs in a cycle of something stupid. I would prefer to use the minimum amount of AAS I can in order to gain if I can. So 5 – 10lbs of lean muscle mass over 8 weeks (diet permitting of course) is a good achievement in my mind.

Having said all this, I am now considering add some low dose Testosterone Proportionate to that cycle to maintain libido and contribute to better gains, but am not quite sure if this is a good idea or not?
Like I said, I would seem pretty sensitive to aromatization of testosterone and this is something I’ve been hoping to avoid.

I am thinking of Test testosterone propionate due to the fact it has a shorter half life and I could easily stop the cycle if I ran into any problems and the test would be out of my system within a few days or a week.

Having said that, adding Test to this cycle would obviously contribute to the gains I would make much more so than the Anavar - oxandrolone - alone.

I’m just not quite sure what kind of dose is gonna be best for me as I really am trying to avoid anything too androgenic? At the momement I am thinking of something like 150mg split Bi weekly, something like:

Anavar – Weeks 1 – 8 (40 or 50mg ED)…will also take something like Amp02 for the creatine..etc.
testosterone propionate – Weeks 1 – 8 (50mg EOD)
Arimidex – Weeks 1 – 8 (0.5mg EOD)

Nolvadex PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - – Weeks 8 – 12 (60mg, 40mg then 20mg as standard)

I will also be taking (for hair loss prevention):
Finastride – 1mg ED
Nizoral 2% Shampoo – ED
Topical Spiro 5% - 2x ED

I know testosterone propionate injections can be quite painful, but I’m guessing it wouldn’t be so bad with lower doses?

Sorry for such a long thread, but I would really appreciate any advice you guys can give me. Got a lot of respect for a lot of the bros on this site, so also wanna say thanks for sharing all the knowledge and for taking the time to help us newbies out.

Peace