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First Cycle advice: Anavar & Test Prop

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funkyfresh

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Hi Guys,

OK, I’m hoping to do my first ever cycle the beginning/middle of January for 8 – 10 weeks and was hoping some of you pro’s could give me some advice 

I’ve done a lot of research into AAS and pretty much made up my mind from day one that Anavar is probably gonna be the best bet for me for several reasons.

Firstly, I’m pretty sensitive to DHT and estrogen which has been evident from experiences in my teens (I’m 22 now).
I suffered a mild case of pubertal gyno when I was about 16 or 17 which thankfully diminished quite quickly and didn’t progress any further. Basiclly, my nipples became very sensitive for about 2 or 3 weeks and I could feel 2 hard lumps behind them. At the time I didn’t know what this was. But thankfully, it didn’t last very long and soon went away on it’s own accord.
I do believe I am quite prone to estrogenic fat deposits although my bodyfat isn’t actually that high at the moment (probably around 13 or 14% at the moment) but I do seem to store fat around my nipples and lower back area more so than my stomach. I do seem to be quite sensitive to water retention aswell, so all this has led me to believe I’m pretty sensitive to estrogen.

There is also a history of MPB in my family on my father’s side, although neither I or my brother have suffered any major hairloss issues.
But again, when I was about 18 I did suffer from some very minor thinning around the crown area, but generally I have a very thick head of hair.

I started taking some finastride/propecia about a year and a half ago after I found my scalp becoming more and more irritated and ichy and nothing seemed to help it, but a combination of finastride and nizoral has definitely sorted all this out and I have suffered no side effects or hair related problems since.

Hair loss is a real worry for me, I know a lot of guys just say let it be and shave it off or whatever, but it’s kind of hard to let go…lol.

Anyways, to cut to the chase….all this has led me to believe I am pretty sensitive to estrogen and DHT, which is the main reason why I have opted for Anavar.

I have found a legit source and am planning on an 8 week cycle of 50mg ED.

I know Var isn’t always as mild as it would seem on paper, so I’ve stocked up on all the necessary precautions such as milk thistle (legalon)/liv 52, Cholesterol Support, Niacin, EFA Oils, Kidney Support…etc.

I am not expecting any miracles in gains, but I hoping for a nice boost in strength and recovery. I would actually prefer to add weight gradually, rather than take loads of AAS and try to gain 20lbs in a cycle of something stupid. I would prefer to use the minimum amount of AAS I can in order to gain if I can. So 5 – 10lbs of lean muscle mass over 8 weeks (diet permitting of course) is a good achievement in my mind.

Having said all this, I am now considering add some low dose Testosterone Proportionate to that cycle to maintain libido and contribute to better gains, but am not quite sure if this is a good idea or not?
Like I said, I would seem pretty sensitive to aromatization of testosterone and this is something I’ve been hoping to avoid.

I am thinking of Test Prop due to the fact it has a shorter half life and I could easily stop the cycle if I ran into any problems and the test would be out of my system within a few days or a week.

Having said that, adding Test to this cycle would obviously contribute to the gains I would make much more so than the Var alone.

I’m just not quite sure what kind of dose is gonna be best for me as I really am trying to avoid anything too androgenic? At the momement I am thinking of something like 150mg split Bi weekly, something like:

Anavar – Weeks 1 – 8 (40 or 50mg ED)…will also take something like Amp02 for the creatine..etc.
Test Prop – Weeks 1 – 8 (50mg EOD)
Arimidex – Weeks 1 – 8 (0.5mg EOD)


Nolvadex PCT – Weeks 8 – 12 (60mg, 40mg then 20mg as standard)

I will also be taking (for hair loss prevention):
Finastride – 1mg ED
Nizoral 2% Shampoo – ED
Topical Spiro 5% - 2x ED


I know prop injections can be quite painful, but I’m guessing it wouldn’t be so bad with lower doses?

Sorry for such a long thread, but I would really appreciate any advice you guys can give me. Got a lot of respect for a lot of the bros on this site, so also wanna say thanks for sharing all the knowledge and for taking the time to help us newbies out.

Peace
 
Wait a few more years. And skip the prop for your first cycle. Use cyp or e as a test ester. Also, you'd be better off at 10 weeks instead of 8, IMO.
 
Thanks for the advice guys.

Is there any specific reason why you are recommending test cypionate or enan over prop?

I would have thought this would make PCT more complicated?

I know test prop requires more frequent injections and should be done EOD at the minimum to keep blood levels stable...etc. But the reason I am thinking of prop is because it is faster acting and therefore I can stop easier if i run into any issues (hair loss..etc.) and clear it out my system much quicker.
 
If you can handle the frequent injections and pain, I don't see any reason not to use the propionate. Your theory makes sense, a shorter ester will clear faster if you run into any problems. Same reason I run Tren A instead of E.

I'm running prop for the first time this cycle, and Anavar for the first time next cycle (w/ prop and tren). Keep us posted on your gains, I'm curious.

Again, if the frequent injects are no issue roll w/ it bro. ROTATE INJECTION SITES!
 
Hey Jim,

Firstly, thanks for taking the time out to respond to the thread bro..appriciate all the advice you guys give.

Yes, I know prop can be painful injections. But I was wondering if this is dose dependant? I am intending to use a very moderate dose compared to the average, which is mainly down to my paranoia with hair loss issues which can be a result of using test due to it's androgenic properties.
I really just thought of adding the test as a maintainance to go with the Var, just to help keep the libido and energy levels up and such.

I will be using a hair loss prevention stack along with this, so I am hoping I should be ok as far as that is concerned. The finastride should help reduce the test undergoing the 5AR conversion to DHT, and the other topicals such as spiro should help protect any androgenic activity in the scalp.

I believe I am prone to MPB, but probably not as much as some people.

I've heard there are ways to possibily minimize the pain from prop injections. One tip I read about was to put the vial in a cup of warm water for a few minutes before injecting and to take a hot shower beforehand to help soften the skin up prior to injecting.

I've never done an injection before, but I've obviously had blood test/health jabs before and needles don't really bother me so I'm not overly concerned about the more frequent injections.

Test cypionate or enan would make life easier in that respect, but then I would have to think about a more complicated PCT due to the Anavar and there is also the issue of these having a longer half life, which would be a problem if I ran into trouble. With the prop and var together, I can simply stop altogether and go right into PCT whenever I need to.
 
funkyfresh said:
Thanks for the advice guys.

Is there any specific reason why you are recommending test cypionate or enan over testosterone propionate?

I would have thought this would make PCT - post cycle therapy - more complicated?

I know test testosterone propionate requires more frequent injections and should be done EOD at the minimum to keep blood levels stable...etc. But the reason I am thinking of testosterone propionate is because it is faster acting and therefore I can stop easier if i run into any issues (hair loss..etc.) and clear it out my system much quicker.

Very smart choice, since u might be prone to estrogenic sides. Go ahead and use the prop.

P.S.
I see u've done your research.
 
The cycle plan looks fine, but I think you need to bump up the test to 100mg EoD. As of now you're only going to be taking 175mg/week, which is pretty low.

Also, test-p isn't a very good idea for a noob cycle. Yeah, test-p is the best test because it kicks in fast as hell but I think you should go with test-e or test-c until you get some experience with injections.
 
Funny you speak of this cycle. I started the same thing this week. I'm just taking 50mg test prop once on Monday and once on Thursday. I'm taking 35mg anavar everyday. I'm also using regular Dermacrine. I'm already where I want to be size and physique wise from m previous 2year long cycle. I figure I'd do something light just to carry on. I don't see any problem of excess estrogen with what little prop I'm using along with the Dermacrine. I think it's going to be a nice, long term, mild cycle for myself.
 
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