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FINAL WORD!!!!! CARDIO 1st or TRAINING 1st--when cutting?
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satchboogie
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for me, trainin is best about 5-8 hours after i wake up.
in the a.m, i'm flat and weak.
but around mid day, i get that nice bloat that i feel makes me stronger.
so if you had to choose one, id go with cardio in the a.m..
eat, rest, then pump 6-8 hours later.
in the a.m, i'm flat and weak.
but around mid day, i get that nice bloat that i feel makes me stronger.
so if you had to choose one, id go with cardio in the a.m..
eat, rest, then pump 6-8 hours later.
shamrock11
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I am going to say the same thing train first and catdio next. I do it this way all the time mand have had no problmes. I've gotten good results from id. I'm cutting afyer my last cycle and I'm natural and I ahve dropped two inches on my waist and lost 11 pounds in a little less than a month.
Tux
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Yep, on or off, training comes first. I never do them together anymore, but when I did, training first, cardio second. You want full strength for the heavy weights. Best way for me is cardio in the am on an empty stomach, weights in the afternoon after 3 meals or so when i'm strongest.
Redshoteye
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You may not have as much energy, but AM cardio on an empty stomach illicits the most fat loss, without question. Having a couple meals in you during PM will give more endurance and preserve more muscle, but remember its the meals that are being burned, not your fat.
in the AM is different unless you weight train in the AM. If not unless you are really chunky 3 days a week cardio for 30 min should be fine. Most fat loss is better done through diet manipulation. I rarley....never do cardio even in contest prep.shape said:
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swordfish151
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Try both ... then see what worked for you
shape said:
In a perfect world with all the time in the world you would cardio in the AM on an empty stomach and train at night.
Personally I can't eat before I do any type of w/o - I'd hurl.
Doing cardio a few hours (3) after you eat is close enough to cardio on a emtpy morning stomach.
If you must eat before you train, then train first and then do cardio if you can't split up the two.
supertech69
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Quadsweep said:
As a Quadsweep lab rat for dieting , I'd have to agree with him
He had me down to around 3.8% w/absolutely no cardio. I'd rather diet correctly instead of draggin my lazy ass onto a piece of cardio equipment at anytime durring the day!BTW, how's it goin Quad? I am rarely on here anymore, usually just stop by to catch a post or two and make sure my account doesn't get deleted. Life is still hectic as hell and I'm chomping at the bit to get back into the swing of things.
Allon
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I definitely agree on training first then cardio or if you have the time am cardio and pm training. Lately I run at the beach in the mornings on an empty stomach twice a week and train in the mornings 3-4 times a week.
When I sometimes do cardio and training together it is in the mornings and on an empty stomach wich is not so great but I cannot train for at least 1.5 hours after I eat and never have time in the morning to eat, wait, then train etc...
When I sometimes do cardio and training together it is in the mornings and on an empty stomach wich is not so great but I cannot train for at least 1.5 hours after I eat and never have time in the morning to eat, wait, then train etc...
jdevlin1985
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Cardio on an empty stomach for me has always worked best.
Cardio when your body is depleted of its glyco stores is when it will start tapping into its fat stores most effectively.
Just as trax mentioned previously in the post -
Cardio when your body is depleted of its glyco stores is when it will start tapping into its fat stores most effectively.
Just as trax mentioned previously in the post -
Joe Stenson
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Just to throw in my 2 cents which is basically agreeing with everyone else:
Optimally, cardio on empty stomach in the morning, train late afternoon or evening. If you only have time for one session though, weights first then cardio (NOT on an empty stomach).
Optimally, cardio on empty stomach in the morning, train late afternoon or evening. If you only have time for one session though, weights first then cardio (NOT on an empty stomach).
krishna
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I'll pound the point home some more....
training first, cardio second unless you're doing am cardio, then do lifting pm
Lately I've been doing am cardio on a no carb stomach, then lifting at night and doing cardio again after that. Results are coming fast, but you have to take lots of rest days so you don't burn out.
training first, cardio second unless you're doing am cardio, then do lifting pm
Lately I've been doing am cardio on a no carb stomach, then lifting at night and doing cardio again after that. Results are coming fast, but you have to take lots of rest days so you don't burn out.
230lbs
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shape said:
This is my deal.....
12 - 15 minutes cardio to elevate heart rate.
45 - 60 minutes of hard and fast training. (clean motions !!! always clean motions.. but keep the heart rate up)
45 -60 minutes cardio. (prefferably a stairmaster)
and/or
Try true crosstraining to shed fat..when I cross it goes something like this....
15 minutes of cardio until heart rate is up. Leave machine and do...not sets or reps but 7 minutes of supersetting (move! move! move!)...no rest...rest on the tredmill.
Back on the bike ( I will usually change cardio machines) for 12 minutes.....back to the floor for 7 minutes...
do this until you have exercised your "body parts" completly. end with 45 minutes cardio.
Tell me what you think.
(but always do cardio last....thats like weight training 101 isn't it?)
Joe Stenson
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sparetire said:
Quite frankly I don't know what the threadstarter is talking about. I think basically everyone does what you or I do, and even the people that don't for whatever reason don't claim their way is better.
Now as for opinions on whether it's good to do cardio on an empty stomach or not, THAT'S when you start having debates.
will b huge
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Joe Stenson said:
STENSON!! Brother, Cmon man----Dont tell me that once again, I couldnt disagree more........EVERY Bodybuilder will tell you to WEIGHT TRAIN FIRST and THEN CARDIO AFTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OF COURSE.......you dont get on the bike for an hour and then go over to the weights and start busting out your chest workout.....> Could anything sound more ludicrous than that????????
CMON NOW BRO!!!!
supertech69
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shape said:
That veries from individual to individual. Does it feel like enough time & caloric intake? If you feel flat & weak then it's probably not working for you, otherwise I'd say keep doing what works for your schedule. Personally I need at least two meals with aminos and livers in my system for optimal performance. Just my $.02
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satchboogie
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shape said:
you dont have a clue what you're doing!
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satchboogie
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shape said:
you got pics to prove?
Joe Stenson
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WILL B HUGE said:
Is this post in jest? I said lift first, then cardio...unless you're doing the most optimal thing of AM cardio + evening lifting. If they're in the same session, weights THEN cardio. There, 3rd time I've posted it in this thread; I hope there's no more confusion.
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satchboogie
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shape said:
yeah for for it dude.
"LETS PUT SHAPE'S CLAIMS TO A TEST"
sounds familiar mate?
solidspine
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It is personal preference, but I always do cardio, first, good warm up and I get it out of the way.
Joe Stenson
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solidspine said:
If you're doing it for any respectable length of time or putting any effort into it at all it's a terrible "warm-up"...it should basically drain the life out of you. If you ride the bike for 5 minutes or whatever before you go train legs then fine, but if you're doing an actual cardio session it's gotta go after lifting.
Fukkenshredded
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If you're lifting properly everything is cardio.
small but working on it
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cardio first and weights later for me. The tough part is finding time to get both in at different times. I truly feel that I get the best fat burning empty stomach early in am, but about 50 percent of the time, I just cant find the time to do two trips to the gym so I end up working out first and then when I am dead, I go run.
will b huge
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Joe Stenson said:
STENSON, You are correct man....I am sorry (once again) as I misread your post......Yes, I agree 100%------MOST OPTIMAL cardio would be ------1 hr. first thing in morning......Then 5 or 6pm...heavy training followed by 1 hr. cardio again.......
gjohnson5
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shape said:
Never do cardio before weight training....
That's right I said NEVER
Expend your energy lifting, then when your gas tank is empty do cardio. That way your body should go looking for calories to burn (since you burned the calories that were in your stomach already) and find a chunk of fat on your midsection and burn that...
Doing cardio on an empty fuel tank can be catabolic but it should burn FAT
Weight training on an empty tank is almost useless
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gjohnson5
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gjohnson5 said:
To be honest , I really do agree with doing weights and cardio in the same session anyway. They should be separated so you get maximum benefit of both. After weights , I wouldn't do cardio. i would go home and drink some protein and rest...
do cardio tomorrow
If you are familiar with the science behind this issue, you know that it is always best to do cardio in the morning and workout later in the day. Or alternatively, to do cardio in the morning on the days you do not work out.
If you do cardio right after lifting you risk losing muscle, or at least interupting your body's attempt to repair itself. You are in a catabolic state when you are done lifting. If you do cardio at that point, you will burn muscle or at least interfere with the building process. You've just wasted some of your efforts in the weightroom.
If you do cardio right before lifting, you do two things. First you burn the glucose that your body would need for a very intense workout and second, by lifting right after cardio you interupt the lipolysis process. Thus you do not burn as much fat as you could have if you did cardio early in the morning and worked out later in the day. Doing cardio in the morning puts you in state of lipolysis and your body burns fat for several hours afterward.
If you do cardio right after lifting you risk losing muscle, or at least interupting your body's attempt to repair itself. You are in a catabolic state when you are done lifting. If you do cardio at that point, you will burn muscle or at least interfere with the building process. You've just wasted some of your efforts in the weightroom.
If you do cardio right before lifting, you do two things. First you burn the glucose that your body would need for a very intense workout and second, by lifting right after cardio you interupt the lipolysis process. Thus you do not burn as much fat as you could have if you did cardio early in the morning and worked out later in the day. Doing cardio in the morning puts you in state of lipolysis and your body burns fat for several hours afterward.
Joe Stenson
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lurcan said:
You're in a catabolic state in the morning too...
swordfish151
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shape said:
Your not related to GUNZ99 are you...your story sounds to familiar to his bro
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