FINA in hand. First cycle. 3 questions.

[Sam5]

I guess I don't, nor have I ever understood why people think tren is bad for a first cycle. I agree it should be stacked with test for simple growth and pyscological reasons, but sides are sides. Your going to experience the same sides no matter which cycle it is and your not going to handle them any differently 2 years from now as you would handle them now. I really don't understand why people say this, like ooooh It's the steroid for the big boys. Does anyone understand where I'm coming from on this. I think there are a few guys that have good reason to say this but the majority of people that give this advice out are just saying it because it's what they hear everybody else say. I've done a few cycles of tren and I don't like it, but this guy might love it. Just stack with some test, preferebly prop. Load in the same syringe and it will cut down on the pain of the prop. At least it did for me. I know some that get pain from tren ace, but for me it was the only thing I really liked about being on it, was the reduction in pain by mixing.

 

[Slyder190]

Re: FINA in hand. FIRST CYCLE. 3 QUESTIONS.

Hey guys, k, I just got my fina in the other day. I think Im about ready to start in a couple weeks or so. This'll be my first cycle. I've been looking around and have had a hard time finding info. on fina.
My friend did it with good results. Stats:

24 yrs old
male
5' 9"
Worked out for years on and off.
Looking to put on 7-10 lbs.
Eating habits: eat as much as I can...working on it.

Can you guys see my picture? You might have to click on my username to see it. Cant figure out why!

The only reason I dont think I am ready to start yet is because I want to make sure my eating habits are up to par. Ive heard 3500 calories a day or so for bulking?

I put my pic on here and I made sure to take it on an off day so there is no pump and no deception.

Questions:
What is the best recommended dosage?
If i were to use chlomid exclusively for PC, is that sufficient? (Thats what my friend did, 3wks) Should I use nolvadex or anything? Do I have to take an anti-e DURING the cycle?

Has anyone done fina? Like it? Anything particularly important that I need to know regarding fina?

Thanks for taking the time. Really.

I'd use HCG in the final weeks of your cycle and then Clomid, Nolva and A-dex afterwords for 3 weeks. Anti 's won't combat Fina gyno. There is a lot of talk whether Dostinex may help or not. I'd run test with it for sure. If this is your fist cycle, Fina wouldn't be my first choice for. It's a "harsher" (for lack of a better word) compound. Try doin a lil more research before you begin anything. It can only help you Either way.

 

[nickidaho]

I guess I don't, nor have I ever understood why people think tren is bad for a first cycle. I agree it should be stacked with test for simple growth and pyscological reasons, but sides are sides. Your going to experience the same sides no matter which cycle it is and your not going to handle them any differently 2 years from now as you would handle them now. I really don't understand why people say this, like ooooh It's the steroid for the big boys. Does anyone understand where I'm coming from on this. I think there are a few guys that have good reason to say this but the majority of people that give this advice out are just saying it because it's what they hear everybody else say. I've done a few cycles of tren and I don't like it, but this guy might love it. Just stack with some test, preferebly prop. Load in the same syringe and it will cut down on the pain of the prop. At least it did for me. I know some that get pain from tren ace, but for me it was the only thing I really liked about being on it, was the reduction in pain by mixing.

Finally, thanks for being honest. I really do listen to everything that you guys are telling me, but sometimes I cant help but feel like everyone just dissuades newbies. They are supposedly all about help, but I have yet to really hear, as a whole, the group fully embrace someone's want to begin a cycle and just help. It seems like alot of "just wait dude, youre not ready".

I understand that you guys really do care and dont want anyone to get hurt and all, but dont you guys remember when you started a cycle long before you were really "ready"? Remember what that was like?

I know Im not ready, and probably never will be, but Im going to get as ready as I can, physically/mentally, for about a month and then go for it. Maybe Ill stack it with test prop too, like alot of you have said.

I dont get it, my friend that did fina had a really good cycle, nice gains, and no sides. So why all these sensationalistic claims of sides and harshness? Have you guys personally experienced these? What happened?

I dont mean to be rude guys, i really appreciate all the help and info that you provide. I really do. I guess Im just frustrated with the back and forth and general "youre not ready" bullshit.

If you want to see my pic, click my name. Thanks guys and again, I dont mean to sound like an asshole.

 

[armo72]

ok...the fact that you are even on this board means that you are more knowledgable and "ready" than most of us were. My first cycle was anadrol only which is worse than your proposed tren only. Thing is if I knew then what I know now I could have made much better progress with less turmoil during and after.

Doing a tren cycle is like jumping in the deep end before testing the waters...nothing wrong with that but you may be in for a suprise. I don't want to discourage you but please consider some test as a base...and run it for a few weeks after the tren. Throw in some PCT: HCG and clomid maybe an AI during and after and you will be very happy.

Buddy of mine looked amazing during his tren only cycle but got nasty bitch tits a few weeks after...2 years later he looks rediculous in a tight shirt.

I've done pretty much everything out there besides tren, not because I'm scared but because I'm saving it for desert.

 

[armo72]

Actually planning a cycle of tren/prop/masteron with dbol to start and anavar or winny to end. This will be after my next cycle of test/EQ with drol to start and winny to end.

 

[Beachboy6294]

If your set on running tren I would stack it with Test like most of the bro's are saying but I like Test for a first cycle. My first cycle was Test E/ Deca and it was awesome!!

 

[nickidaho]

ok...the fact that you are even on this board means that you are more knowledgable and "ready" than most of us were. My first cycle was anadrol only which is worse than your proposed tren only. Thing is if I knew then what I know now I could have made much better progress with less turmoil during and after.

Doing a tren cycle is like jumping in the deep end before testing the waters...nothing wrong with that but you may be in for a suprise. I don't want to discourage you but please consider some test as a base...and run it for a few weeks after the tren. Throw in some PCT: HCG and clomid maybe an AI during and after and you will be very happy.

Buddy of mine looked amazing during his tren only cycle but got nasty bitch tits a few weeks after...2 years later he looks rediculous in a tight shirt.

I've done pretty much everything out there besides tren, not because I'm scared but because I'm saving it for desert.

Wait, so he got gyno weeks AFTER the cycle was done?!! Dude Im really starting to have second thoughts about doint the tren. at all. Its tren ace, which from what I can gather is the best, if only because the sides will subside quicker if stopped. But I hear all of these horror stories and if the gyno didnt appear until it was too late, fuck dude! Did he take pct drugs?

Wont compounding tren and test just make the cycle even more risky for sides? I havent done much reading on test simply because i hadnt planned on taking it. Is there something that test does that helps to mitigate the sides of tren or something? Because that is what everyone seems to be saying, to stack the two, that is. Does it help psychologically? Somebody mentioned that.

Gyno is scary, but seems to be uncommon if safeguarded properly, while of course there are the few that will always be prone to it. Would that be an accurate statement?

Thanks alot dude

 

[armo72]

He took no PCT which is bad because tren shuts you down really hard. The test is a good base because it will help keep your libido up and give you a sense of well being. If you run the test a few weeks after you finished the tren you will not crash as hard. With the proper pct maybe you won't crash at all. The point is you don't know how your body will react to AAS. That why the guys here recommend the milder stuff first. If you did a test, deca cycle for example and had no problems then jumping into a tren cycle would be not as scary. This is all comming from a guy that has not done tren so keep that in mind. Just run it with an AI and have some nolva standing bye. You should be fine if you decide to move forward, fust make sure everything is in place first.

 

[Sam5]

Again, I will restate and I don't care if I get flamed. DON'T USE HCG FOR PCT!! Use it mid-cycle if anything. It is one of the most common mistakes made so as I said I don't blame anyone for thinking that this is the way to go. Research some on HPTA suppression and if you put logic and science togethere you will realize that HCG in PCT is making it harder for you to recover. Nolva or clomid, preferablly Nolva in PCT. If HCG is used throughout your cycle along with your test and tren, when you are done with the AAS your body will bounce back much faster. So in a sense it helps with PCT but should not be used during your actual PCT. It is a good preparer for PCT while "on". Read this thread and you might understand a little more.
http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475

 

[nickidaho]

Wow, he didnt do pct! Damn dude, well I guess i can understand seeing as how I wouldnt have had the slightest idea to do that had I not been on this site. Thanks guys. Yeah I'll read that anobollex thread that you linked and see what its all about. I think that either way i go, with or without test prop (i think), I will use both chlomide and nolva. Now i have to learn about test. god dammit. lol. and figure out how to get it, thats going to be the hard part. the thing i like about tren is that I can convert it myself (make sure its done right), and get it from a vetrinarian (which is reassuring). Is test a whole nother story? Pretty common/easy to come by?