female steroids

[semi1979]

I am a 22 year old female and have been working out for years. I reaaly want to slim up and get more cut up. I have been taking anavar for almost 7 weeks and have seen little results. I would like to wait a while and try a stronger more effective cycle to achieve my goals. 1- any cycles you would recommend other than anavar. 2- are injectibles more effective than oral dosages. 3- what is the effectivness of clenbuterol and human growth hormone. Please give me as much info as possible. Thanks...nikki

what is your bf at currently?

 

[daretobare]

I am 25 years old, 5'5", 140lbs, approx. 22% bf?
taking 20mg of anavar 5mg of proviron per day (for 3 weeks) doesn't seem to be doing anything. tried clen, all the side effects no results. can get winny and nolva.
any suggestions?

 

[*MissFit*]

Nooo

too soon get rid of some of that body fat naturally before taking any of this...

read the stickys at top of the forum..

Also 20mg of Var is a bit highof a dose for a female IMO

I am 25 years old, 5'5", 140lbs, approx. 22% bf?
taking 20mg of anavar 5mg of proviron per day (for 3 weeks) doesn't seem to be doing anything. tried clen, all the side effects no results. can get winny and nolva.
any suggestions?

 

[Daisy_Girl]

My suggestions ....

Drop the drugs. Post up your diet. Your BF is too high to be messing with AAS.

Where the hell did you come up with these doses? 20mg Var is about doub;e what you need. And Proviron? Are you KIDDING? Can you say "too androgenic"?

 

[daretobare]

to daisy girl
so what your try-n to say is that oh so pricey "underground handbook" is wrong? i would have to disagree with you!! and all of the other stats on anavar and provi.. are also wrong??. where do you get your info???? also i was looking for more options or info. not natural!! opinoinated in the closet answers. have you gotten any accurate secret info on the % of users in your gym

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Sorry, my experience doesn't come from a book. Mine is real world, I guess that is inferior.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

to daisy girl
so what your try-n to say is that oh so pricey "underground handbook" is wrong? i would have to disagree with you!! and all of the other stats on anavar and provi.. are also wrong??. where do you get your info???? also i was looking for more options or info. not natural!! opinoinated in the closet answers. have you gotten any accurate secret info on the % of users in your gym

Oh, and BTW, if you think 20mg is "normal" for women AND it is the recommended dose, the book is WWAAAAAYYYY off. You apparently haven't done a lot of research on women's doses. 10mg is the usual dose for women.

Also, at approx 22% BF your issue is diet and training, not supplementation - even IF you don't want to hear it.

Here are a couple posts on Proviron and women. I HIGHLY suggest you read them completely.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80226&highlight=proviron+women

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336570&highlight=proviron+women

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378333&highlight=proviron+women

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=379062&highlight=proviron+women

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359665&highlight=proviron+women

 

[Sassy69]

I am 25 years old, 5'5", 140lbs, approx. 22% bf?
taking 20mg of anavar 5mg of proviron per day (for 3 weeks) doesn't seem to be doing anything. tried clen, all the side effects no results. can get winny and nolva.
any suggestions?

I've never read the o-so-expensive underground manual, but my guess is that stuff is a bit old school and written by mostly guys. Guys will tend to recommend more aggressive dosages for women because they really don't understand how sensitive women are to high doses of testosterone (keeping in mind for women a very tiny amount of test is a lot of test). And since they are used to using higher doses, they tend to just skew up.

Another thing it seems like you did is build a stack based on what you read, i.e. var is great for women & proviron helps tighten up especially around the waist area.

OK so that's enough knowledge to get the gist but you are missing some very practical rules of thumb for women. Please don't take any of this as a slam on you because you did reference a "cycling source", though I'd HIGHLY recommend in the future you get LOTS of feedback from WOMEN (not men) who have cycle experience before planning a cycle.

Here are the rules of thumb that I recommend you take as the best pieces of information you will ever receive on steroid use. And this is coming from someone who has been on this board since 2001, competed in both tested & nontested shows and been lifting & educating myself on weight training & bodybuilding for 23 yrs. Start here, and then please re-evaluate what your are trying to accomplish & how you plan to accomplish it.

1. Steroids are SUPPLEMENTS to an already well-established, consistent and *working* (i.e. producing results) training, diet & cardio regimen.

2. Based on item 1, steriods are not going to "rip you up" if you are already more than say 15% bodyfat. Not everyone develops size & mass from steroids, esp var, but whatever youve gained is not goign to show as ripped up if your bodyfat is too high. Therefore to really get the types of results I expect you are looking for, you should get yourself down to a lower bodyfat naturally first. Those gains will be more maintainable and last longer than anything you ever get from a cycle. Further, the stress that steroids introduce into your system (and they can be very individual) only aggravate the stresses that already exist from a not already well-established and optimized diet & training, particularly DIET.

3. If its your first cycle, start low, slow & simple. i.e.

a. LOW: Start at a sufficiently low dosage, e.g. if you have 10 mg var tabs, get a pill splitter & cut them in half or quarters and start at that dosage for a few weeks first. Then if its all good, you can start increasing. It just is a naive approach to dive into a steep dosage with no experience with how you respond or what you should expect. Also know your dosage frequency, based on the half life of your drug. This will help keep the spikes from the most recent dose to a min & keep the whole dosing over time much more even.

b. SLOW - Know how long it takes for "results" or "sides" to start showing up. Var you should see something or feel something within 1 1/2 weeks. If you don't after 2 weeks, then you should stop & take a look at the whole thing. Are you training correctly? Are you dieting correctly? Do you know what you are really taking? Do you trust your source? Is your stuff fake?

c. SIMPLE -- do ONLY 1 drug at a time. If you start stacking stuff that you have no experience with, you have no idea how you will react to or respond to either of them individually and together you dont know what results or sides are from what. Also understand the components of your stack -- var is a fairly mild AAS. Proviron is very androgenic -- guys use this to kickstart their natural test production again after a cycle. I guess you are saying you will be running the proviron for 3 weeks? Every source I've ever read says don't run it for more than 4 absolute max. And use of it at all is usually for immedietaly before a competition. This is a specific case to use this. Not to "lose fat".

4. Know what supps to take to help support your body while its under all the stress from these drugs. Some thoughts -- are you taking anti-oxidants? are you taking any liver support? are you prone to yeast infections? If yes, chances you are going to experience one as a result of your cycle. (Sort of same result if you get them while on antibiotics).

5. As mentioned above, KNOW what you have. If you see no results, is it a fake? If you "got them from a friend of a friend" (as a recent post..) you could easily be taking something like anadrol or something is longer acting and aint' what you thought it was. What brand of what do you have? Is it an underground product? No guarantees on that - not subject to US pharmaceutical production quality control standards. Also some legit brands are more heavily dosed, some are underdosed. Some just affect ladies worse than others.



I think I covered everything I wanted. These are the things you need to know. Why are you getting no results? Here are your options:

- You got shit pills. Not sure you can get no results from 2 diff AAS tho. Are they both shit?

- Your diet & training aren't well-established & optimized to ge the most out of the AAS

- You are just too high bodyfat to see the "ripped up" results that both of those drugs can produce in say, competitive athletes 1-2 weeks out from a show.

Hope that helps. IMO this is the best info you can get from any board anywhere on the internet. If you aren't getting results, I'm goign to suggest you get off both of those drugs and give yourself AT LEAST a couple months to clear these or whatever they are out of your system AND focus on getting your bodyfat down to something below 15% before looking to either of these to "lose bodyfat".
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[Jimsbbc]

What do you peeps think about EQ for a female at low dosages? It is fairly mild only the half-life is kinda long.

 

[Sassy69]

damn jimsbbc -- haven't seen you in forever.

EQ - Depends on what your goals are & what your experience w/ AAS is. If its a first cycle I probably wouldn't recommend it. Also if you want to watch your bodyfat, EQ has a reputation for making you hungry alot. Also more aggressive sides as far as acne & hair falling out. If AAS is a "must do" then I'd go w/ var. If it isn't for competition or somethign specific I really woudln't recommend it. And again, all assuming an already tight diet & training regimen.

Check this thread by Realgains -- more info about women & injectables.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122854