fatburners

[krypton]

Hi, I want to know how long is "Health safe" to be on a fat burner? I have been on "Hydrolean" for about a year now. I have taken a couple weeks off in that time. I lost the weight that I wanted but still love the boost it gives me and the way it controls my appetite.

 

[spatts]

Are they safe, in my opinion? No.

Risk is relative, though.

 

[Gladiola]

do they contain ephedra, ephedraine, or ma huang? (all the same thing). If yes, then no, they are not safe.

I write a monthly fitness column for my company's internal newsletter & this month chose the topic "Magic Pills for the perfect physique" Got the idea from the commercials for new vitamins that boost your metabolism

I'm also writing on ephedra & it's SCARY what I"m finding.

 

[we5happy]

What are you finding?

I just started to take a home-made ECA. Except I've only been taking the Ephedrine and Caffine...I have also tried the Hydroxycut and Xenadrine too and they were crap...so...I would love to hear what you are finding...its causing quite the controversy isn't it?

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[gingernut]

Another point is that tolerance builds up to the stimulants, and they become less effective as time goes on. This is why cycling is recommended with fat burners.

 

[Fyre]

I agree gingernut that your body does build a tolerance to them. I myself don't suggest doing the ECA stack for longer than 3 weeks at a time. There are other products our there that don't have the ephedra/ephedrine in them that are quite good.
I prefer the ephedra based products but again, I don't do them all that much and when I do use them, I don't use them for much longer than three weeks at a time.
Gladiola, I'm very curious to your findings as well.

 

[kronk]

Another point is that tolerance builds up to the stimulants, and they become less effective as time goes on. This is why cycling is recommended with fat burners.

Actually that is incorrect. The thermogenic effects of eca actually get better as time goes by. What you loose are the "side effects"

 

[krypton]

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I find that kronk is correct after a period of time, I no longer get the shakes and restlessness, I sleep better and am no longer get acne on my neck and jaw line. But I still get that boost of energy to workout more effectively and not get the urge to overeat.
I would like to know more about other people on ephedrine. And a big thanks to all the feed back!

Krypton

 

[JJFigure]

I use a homemade stack of ephedrine hcl and caffeine 2xdaily when I'm dieting down for competition. I'll take it for 12 weeks, and then stop the week of competition and not take it again until my next diet cycle. Of course, I'm also in a very cyclical training mode where I don't want my appetite suppressed when I'm not dieting down for competition.

I have no problems with ephedrine - very little sides, and it just seems to take the edge off my hunger when I'm in kcalorie deficit mode. If anything, I have more problems coming off the caffeine - I have to add coffee in for a week or two in the mornings to get past the caffeine headache.

 

[THeMaCHinE]

Actually, ephedrine hcl is different than ephedra/ma-huang.

MaHuang is another name for ephedra. It is the whole herb containing many ephedra alkoloids including ephedrine, norephedrine (phenyproponalanine), psuedoephedrine, etc. It also contains other alkaloids, some toxic. Ephedra is a "dirty" thermogenic.

Ephedrine hcl is an alkaloid of ephedra. The most effective alkaloid in terms of beta-2 agonism; norephedrine is the best in terms of appetite supression.

(Tangental: I seem to remember that some ephedrine is converted to norephedrine in the brain, can anybody verify or debunk this?)

With ephedrine hcl, you don't get the negative effects of the other "dirty" alkaloids in ephedra. Similar to yohimbe vs. yohimbine hcl.