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Fat Loss For Trainers....

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...well there are about a million different philosophies on this. A couple work...most don't.


IMHO - the best way to LOSE size while cutting is to turn your training into a cardio session. Forget the crap about increasing the reps and cutting down the rest times between sets. While this approach WILL cause a loss of bodyfat,...most lifters will lose some LBM in the process by giving up the heavier weights.


First thing to do is establish an approximate BMR. Can be a real pain to do, bur there is a simplification that will make everyones life easier.

1 - Are you gaining or maintaining b-4 you start the cutting program? If you are maintaining bodyweight you change nothing in your diet at this point. If you are gaining slightly remove 3--500 calories form your daily diet, the majority from carbs.

2 - Continue heavy weight training but branch off onto a one bodypart per day program. Keep set totals low to moderate no more than 12-14 sets for ANY bodypart. Lift as heavy as possible on the first exercise(typically a mass builder) for a range of 12 down to 4 reps, pyramiding up. Next, pick two more exercises but superset them keeping reps between 6-8 on each individual exercise. The supersets will stimuilate Gh production to aid in the fat loss.

3 - Every BB'ers and Powerlifters dreaded word - CARDIO.
At this point early in the game cardio consists of two moderate days at 45-60 minutes per pop and one HARD day of all out effort. Light days would be treadmill or bike. Heavy cardio would be elliptical, or , my personal favorite, all out sprints. On the sprints, go all out for 30 seconds and get 60 seconds of active recovery. That is one cycle. Begin by doing 8 cycles(12 minutes total) and add one cycle per WEEK. Light cardio means that light. On a treadmill at 15 degrees and 4 mph, a rate of 22 calories per minute is easily acheived. Aim for 12-15 per minute for the duration. Do the light cardio after training and the sprints specifically on leg day.


Simply modifying the training and adding some cardio will get the fat loss started. Add in a good fat burner from day 1. That can add a good half-pound of fat loss per week. I think the Ripped Fuel Extreme is the best on the market.

Fat loss at this point should continue for at least 3-4 weeks. Once a plateau hits, there are lots of variables that can be manipulated to further coax the fat to come off.

THis is a good place to end this particular thread. Post up any questions and I'll update on carb-rotation, flax oil and other supplements.
 
Very interesting...keep posting.

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Ripped Fuel Extreme ive never heared of it what sets it apart from the rest like NYC or eca? does it compare to clen? very interested :)
 
Generally very sound advice - good stuff :)

Cornholio said:
Do the light cardio after training and the sprints specifically on leg day.

Personally, I couldn't sprint on leg day - whether it be pre or post weights. If I sprinted before weights I couldn't lift. If I did leg weights before sprinting, I couldn't run anywhere near 100% and could do some real damage.

Likewise, given the duration of the cardio you suggested, I don't really agree with when you suggest doing it. The modifications to the weights program probably means people will be lifting around 5 times a week for 30-45 minutes - heavy. Adding 45-60 minutes on top of a two or three of these sessions drags the duration of the workout too long.

Consequently, I'd making the necessary modifications and following a split like this (based on the workout structure you've suggested):

M - Legs
T - AM: Light cardio, PM: Chest
W - Off
T - Sprinting
F - AM: Light cardio, PM: Back
S - Shoulders/Arms
S - Off

Thursday and Friday could be swapped around depending on the individual's comparative recovery from sprinting and legs.

Again, top post & thread.
 
Re: Re: Fat Loss For Trainers....

bm2k said:
Generally very sound advice - good stuff :)



Likewise, given the duration of the cardio you suggested, I don't really agree with when you suggest doing it. The modifications to the weights program probably means people will be lifting around 5 times a week for 30-45 minutes - heavy. Adding 45-60 minutes on top of a two or three of these sessions drags the duration of the workout too long.

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The hour cardio recommendation is to be done at a moderate pace. Remember it takes about 15 minutes to tap into fat storage for fuel. SO - 30 minutes of cardio will only new you 15 minutes of fat burning. It is along duration, but not really intense enough to cause aloss in lbm.

Likewise the sprints - only 12 minutes total the first week.

Doing on leg day is VERY tough, but it builds a thickness that is worth the effort.
 
For me, sprinting is a leg workout in itself. Personally, it would be too much volume to do sprints on the same day as any type of leg workout.

How do you find you sprint and lift when doing them on the same day? Obviously its not easy, but does either suffer?
 
Corn - Here's the program I'm on (that you set up for me). I really like it but want to throw in more of a cutting aspect. Also, I'm thinking of dropping the Fina this week (about a 50/50 shot). Main goal - increase cardio ability without losing LBM.

Monday - Back
Deadlifts- 3 sets of 10-12
DB incline shrugs 2 sets of 10-12
Shrugs - 2 sets of 10-12
Bent Over Rows- 3 sets of 6-10
Chins - 3 sets of max

Tuesday - Chest
Incline DB Press - 3 sets of 10-12
Flat Flyes - 3 sets of 12-15
Cable Cross-overs (been doing low) - 3 sets of 12-15
Flat bench on Smith 3 sets of 6-10

Wednesday - Legs
Smith machine lunges - 3 sets of 12 per leg
Stiff Deads - 3 sets of 12-15
Front Squats - 3 sets of 12-15
Squats - 1 set of 15-20
Seated calf Machine do a set of 15-20 after last set of each exercise

Thursday - Shoulders
Side Laterals - 3 sets of 12-15
Front Raises - 2 sets of 12-15
Db or Military Press - 3 sets of 6-10
Upright Rows - 3 sets of 10-12

Friday - Arms
Close Grip Bench/Dips/Nose breakers (rotate exercise each week)10 sets of 3 reps (after a good warmup)
Barbell Curls (rotate grip each week)- 10 sets of 3 reps(after good warmup)

I really like this program so far. It's a nice change from the Old School Method. I've been a lazy piece of shit as far as abs go, so I'm going to be going crazy on them MWF after my workouts from now on.

I was thinking of adding Tues & Thur cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Will this be adequate or should I be doing this 3 days per week? Cardio after my lifting is pretty rough and I hate it.

Hmmmm, so what's more effective: Cardio in the a.m. on an empty stomach or in the afternoon after lifting?
 
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