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Ok - here it is...

I am 26 years old and currently weighing 270lbs at 6ft. My BF% is 15% according to the gym scales. I have been on and off cycles now since I was a sophmore in college where I was playing NCAA DIV !-AA football and weighing 255lbs. While playing, I was like a machine! I felt invincible and I have never been stronger. Then, when my college career was coming to an end, I blew up my shoulder completely destroying my rotator cuff.

As most of you probably now assume, I blew up. I couldnt lift anything and when I did recover from all the treatments, etc..., being in the gym was extremely frustrating, so I gave up. I blew up to around 335lbs. Then I finally reached a point after seeing a picture that was taken of me on the beach and desided to do something. In July of 2006, I designed a diet/lifting/cardio plan that I did full force for about 2 months. Obviously, I had a great deal of weight to lose so I quickly began to shed the weight, most of which being water. Finally, I got down to around 300lbs (35lb loss from the start) and having juiced in the past, I decided to jump on a test prop / winny cycle. I ran the cycle for 16 weeks and then came off with clomid and hcg. When my cycle was complete, I dropped down to 252lbs.

So after all my rambling, my question is, why are people against fat people taking steriods. I truly feel that they had a major contribution to my weight loss.

I am sure people will be bashing me for jumping on a cycle at such a high weight with such a high BF% but hey, look at the results...
 
well first off all steriods dont atribute to fat loos in the first place secondly crap i godda find the reasonin but at higher bf your have higher levels (of estro) so using test and steriods you have a lot higher chance of gyno but there is more to it.. i godda find it.
 
the only thing i can think of is the look
they are less pronounced if you are holding fat and most of us bodybuild

im in your boat though, always been an endo
my first cycle, i trimmed up and got bigger

its funny that people try to catagorize the people that "should" use hormones when in reality, nobody really needs them
 
I played for Iona College in NY.

I know that steriods to dont "burn fat" but for me, the lbs just melted off and I became extremely hard and strong... Everyones body reacts differently.
 
Faizakafez said:
well first off all steriods dont atribute to fat loos in the first place secondly crap i godda find the reasonin but at higher bf your have higher levels (of estro) so using test and steriods you have a lot higher chance of gynecomastia but there is more to it.. i godda find it.
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Muscle attributes to fat loss though, and steroids build muscle, so i guess they dont directly have a big impact...

I started steroids at 15@ BF, and am down to about 9% now.....I did find i had a bit more estrogen back then....I had to be on arimidex@ at least 1mg per day......for a couple days i got to 2mg/day......i probably should have been on aromasin or letro though....anyhow, i think 15% is what you should at least be at before starting again.

Offcoarse do more research all the time too.
 
I was thinking of taking Letro before starting my next cycle - but throughout all my research, I have not seen anything or ever heard anything on taking it by itself...

Thoughts...
 
Faizakafez said:
well first off all steriods dont atribute to fat loos in the first place secondly crap i godda find the reasonin but at higher bf your have higher levels (of estro) so using test and steriods you have a lot higher chance of gynecomastia but there is more to it.. i godda find it.
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I know what you are trying to say, and i agree to a point.... Yes more prone to est. sides, but with a good AI that can be controlled...
I do not like to see anyone turn to steroids for weight loss because 99% of the time its thier diet / training that is the problem...

But here is where i gotta disagree, they will help with fat loss.. Say test. as an example,, give me 2 guys same diet same training same body stats--- have 1 on 350mg a week say of test e-----the other natty

The one on test. in same circumstances is gonna lose more b/f then the natty bro...

Real world though I agree too many bros are overweight and want a majic bullet to lose all the fat fast,, and not willing to put in the effort/will power..

not saying thats your case to original poster, but thats what happens 9 out of 10 times...
 
why do people always say "i blew out my shoulder" or "i blew out my knee" you don't blow it out you fuck it up. you cant "blow out" a bodypart unless you get hit with a fucking land mine.
 
I agree - I also know that without proper diet and training, it does not matter what you take. That seems to be the misconception with non-educated people about steroids. They think you take something and boom your a muscle head.
 
b_light said:
why do people always say "i blew out my shoulder" or "i blew out my knee" you don't blow it out you fuck it up. you cant "blow out" a bodypart unless you get hit with a fucking land mine.
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Lol i think needto could hook you up with some mood enhancements from http://customcapsule.com/

You should really look into that :)
 
b_light said:
why do people always say "i blew out my shoulder" or "i blew out my knee" you don't blow it out you fuck it up. you cant "blow out" a bodypart unless you get hit with a fucking land mine.
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lol thats sum funny shit
 
EandO said:
I agree - I also know that without proper diet and training, it does not matter what you take. That seems to be the misconception with non-educated people about steroids. They think you take something and boom your a muscle head.
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It works for me. I don't even workout. I just take enough roids to kill an elephant and get huge.
 
My thoughts are that maybe it's not going to do as much as it will for someone who is already in shape and lean and will see the results more easily but I'm for ANYTHING that will give me more motivation in the gym. I'm going to have a hell of alot more motivation knowing that I'm building muscle faster which is helping me burn more fat. Anything that is going to give me more of an edge mentally i'm going to try. I got down from 300 pounds to a nice solid lean 222 and I feel fricken great. I might not have made it mentally if I wasn't juicing at the time. I have to say though that the winstrol is a complete waste to take unless your already fairly lean. It's just not going to do anything but harden up the muscles under the fat layer which you wont see till you get leaner.
 
starskulker said:
My thoughts are that maybe it's not going to do as much as it will for someone who is already in shape and lean and will see the results more easily but I'm for ANYTHING that will give me more motivation in the gym. I'm going to have a hell of alot more motivation knowing that I'm building muscle faster which is helping me burn more fat. Anything that is going to give me more of an edge mentally i'm going to try. I got down from 300 pounds to a nice solid lean 222 and I feel fricken great. I might not have made it mentally if I wasn't juicing at the time. I have to say though that the winstrol is a complete waste to take unless your already fairly lean. It's just not going to do anything but harden up the muscles under the fat layer which you wont see till you get leaner.
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78 lbs lost using juice...that is impressive!!!! Congratulations! Do you have any posts here showing how you did this???
 
Dr. K said:
78 lbs lost using juice...that is impressive!!!! Congratulations! Do you have any posts here showing how you did this???
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He probably toked a fatty and did calf raises with toilet paper resting on

his knees while he was sitting on the toilet saying "we do work"
 
Dr K, I attibute it also to the dieting i was doing at the time which was a high protien very low carb diet. I know it wasnt the healthiest way to go about it but it got me where i wanted to be which is when I changed back to a more normal "Clean" diet. The Juice helped me actually keep alot of the muscle along with the high amounts of protien I was taking in at the time.
 
krbn08 said:
He probably toked a fatty and did calf raises with toilet paper resting on

his knees while he was sitting on the toilet saying "we do work"
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Uhh?

Actually I did have a post here quite awhile ago with me on my bike at 300lbs. I really should find it and post it up again but I want to do a before and after type of thing once I get back from Jamaica in 2 weeks.
 
starskulker said:
Uhh?

Actually I did have a post here quite awhile ago with me on my bike at 300lbs. I really should find it and post it up again but I want to do a before and after type of thing once I get back from Jamaica in 2 weeks.
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I wasn't saying that your a liar. I was just joking around.
 
krbn08 said:
He probably toked a fatty and did calf raises with toilet paper resting on

his knees while he was sitting on the toilet saying "we do work"
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how do i put this in a nice way---- shut the fuck up---- bro is obviously being for real seeking real advise,, if it was big cracker making a joke its different because he also helps bros--- and most the time he helps while making a joke.......

you on the other hand are just making jokes and helping nobody.......
 
littleb said:
how do i put this in a nice way---- shut the fuck up---- bro is obviously being for real seeking real advise,, if it was big cracker making a joke its different because he also helps bros--- and most the time he helps while making a joke.......

you on the other hand are just making jokes and helping nobody.......
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brooo, whats your deal?

That wasn't even geared towards you.

It wasn't mean to the person i said it to either.

He didn't take a big deal to it . . why did you?

Steroids can put people at a short temper so i'll

give you a chance to start over.
 
krbn08 said:
brooo, whats your deal?

That wasn't even geared towards you.

It wasn't mean to the person i said it to either.

He didn't take a big deal to it . . why did you?

Steroids can put people at a short temper so i'll

give you a chance to start over.
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I dont know you, but in the last few days I have not seen ONE helpful post --- granted i have only read a handful, but seems like all jokes no help....

I will read some of your past posts, but posts on penis, sitting on a toilet ect ect not helping... adds to post count yes ----helps nobody
 
littleb said:
I dont know you,
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Exactly, let's keep at that.

Stop making this a big deal.

I have had helpful posts, but maybe 3 posts ago . .

O how do i put this . . i made jokes. I'm a bad guy

and i'm sorry i offended you. Next time i'll be serious

for you. Ok, bye :wavey:
 
Holy shit bros,, read his past posts----------- garbage------ trying to bump up how many posts he has i figure.........

Bro if you are really trying to be a part of this board sit back read and wait until you can help or have a solid opinion b4 u post......

your last 30 posts have been well add ons to say the least,,, I could have 8000 posts if i added on "hell ya" to every thread....

relax bro, I am not calling you out [yet] just saying its better to have an opinion based on fact to post --- then to just make jokes and post crap for the sake of posting
 
littleb said:
Holy shit bros,, read his past posts----------- garbage------ trying to bump up how many posts he has i figure.........

Bro if you are really trying to be a part of this board sit back read and wait until you can help or have a solid opinion b4 u post......

your last 30 posts have been well add ons to say the least,,, I could have 8000 posts if i added on "hell ya" to every thread....

relax bro, I am not calling you out [yet] just saying its better to have an opinion based on fact to post --- then to just make jokes and post crap for the sake of posting
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wtf, why would i care abotu posts bro?

That's stupid, do you care about posts?

Well . . obviously you do cause you had a problem with mine.

You want to argue with me you can send me a PM

and we can argue . . i'm done.

You must not of seen all my posts too cause

i had several that help people.
 
Alright i have just skimmed through all your past posts, and i really doubt you have much to say that could help anybody........... I actually got mad reading, because I gave you the benifit of the doubt.......

Your posts are garbage as i suspected,,, you make fun and joke, and call names,,,, all in good fun I am sure,,,, but you have contributed nothing...................................

I do not EVER get mad on here,,, and i am off the juice for a long time now,, so dont mistake it for that...........

I get mad when someone with nothing helpful to say gets on here talking shi* for no reason other then add too post count...


Thats how I see it..... Everyone check out his posts and tell me if i am wrong,, if I missed somthing I will be humble and say I am sry....

out here littleb
 
littleb said:
I get mad when someone with nothing helpful to say gets on here talking shi* for no reason other then add too post count...
littleb
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Did i attack you first? No. Why are you saying i was talking shit for no reason?

You came at me!!

Here is some of my threads . . your only looking on the ones that i did joke on.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...um/how-many-reps-do-you-do-calves-551129.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...nabolic-androgenic-steroids-cycle-551115.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/pain-left-lower-bicep-550911.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/advice-needed-550096.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/pre-workout-snack-550396.html

I've also been helpful to people so stop feeding the public bullshit.

I have had posts about how to properly get creatine uptake, i've helped people

on several issues. Lately, i have been joking on here and i don't see how you can make something

bad from that? Your trying to make me look bad and it's stupid.
 
LOL nuff said I done........ you lucky i have never bombed anybody except to cover stuff that should not be posted...


read ALLLLLLLLL of my posts, I do not go after anybody bro.... even the 5 posts you gave as examples are well not exactly helpful and i am sure those are your best 5

bro listen,,,,,,,,,,, sit back and relax,,, anybody who reads all your posts as i did will agree with me....

I dont ever start shit on here,,, dont keep it going bro....
 
littleb said:
LOL nuff said I done........ you lucky i have never bombed anybody except to cover stuff that should not be posted...


read ALLLLLLLLL of my posts, I do not go after anybody bro.... even the 5 posts you gave as examples are well not exactly helpful and i am sure those are your best 5

bro listen,,,,,,,,,,, sit back and relax,,, anybody who reads all your posts as i did will agree with me....

I dont ever start shit on here,,, dont keep it going bro....
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I didn't have to search to hard to find those posts i made, maybe you could do the same.

I never said you go after anybody. I see that you are really offended with all my posts

lately and i'm sorry cause i have admitted that i've been joking lately, but

that doesn't mean anything about my past posts and i have helped people.
 
how does your skin look after being stretch so much and now being skinny? a lot of my friends that lost large amounts of fat had to get a tummy tuck....
 
krbn08 said:
I didn't have to search to hard to find those posts i made, maybe you could do the same.

I never said you go after anybody. I see that you are really offended with all my posts

lately and i'm sorry cause i have admitted that i've been joking lately, but

that doesn't mean anything about my past posts and i have helped people.
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Bro i was not looking to fight, last thing i want to do over a computer, lol,,, I got angry because i took your post on "this thread" to seem like you were making jokes at the expense of a bro who is really trying....... lost mad weight and i give him all the props he deserves......

After that i read through ALL your posts and saw that 60-70% of them were just add ons to what ever was said already, and a lot were jokes...

I do not fight on here,,, like I said we got a bro here Big cracker that cracks me up with his jokes, the difference is--- he also helps a lot of bros-- I will not say that you have helped nobody, but reading all your posts, well it comes off as you trying to get post counts..

and the making fun is ok once and a while if you are known, you dont realize how many folks come on here and talk shit for a while then disapear... many trolls.......


Thats why i kept saying just sit back and relax,,, you may very well be a vet. with more knowledge then me'''''''''' I dont know and your posts dont show it either.....

Some bros woulda bombed, and from looks of it one already did,,,, I dont play those games,,,, let your record speak for you bro, help when you can, make jokes when appropriate and use this board for what most of us do


"To learn" littleb
 
littleb said:
Some bros woulda bombed, and from looks of it one already did

littleb
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Yea and the person said this to me in a PM


"Sorry, I would delete it now if I could. Didn't realize it would stick a freaking bomb under your sig..

http://www.texaslonghornsjersey.com/authenticlonghornsjersey.jpg "

I got bombed once yesterday cause i'm an OU fan and i'm guessing this is why i got

bombed again today, because this person left a texas longhorns pic when

they sent me the apology. No hard feelings littleb . . it's all good. I have

been joking quite a bit today. Sorry i offended you. I happened to find some

of them pretty funny :) didn't mean to piss one person off.
 
yeah im just in a bad mood, one of my pet peeves. also when people say "i got that offline" when they really mean they got it on the internet "online" or when they say "same difference" or "so don't i". Fucking massachusetts people.
 
b_light said:
yeah im just in a bad mood, one of my pet peeves. also when people say "i got that offline" when they really mean they got it on the internet "online" or when they say "same difference" or "so don't i". Fucking massachusetts people.[/QU


Don't put down Massachusetts bro........Because got is not a word bro ("when they really mean they GOT it on the internet") Kinda hitting your self with your own pet peeves.
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I really don't see a problem with low doses especially when trying to lose weight. It helps preserve muscle mass. I don't really think it helps much in the weight lost dept though. For that your cardio and diet make the difference.

Perp
 
krbn08, as much as I love OU I think that you and the other guy should take your little tiff to pm's instead of threadjacking this guys thread.

I don't see any problem with juicing while trying to lose weight. Preserve as much shit as possible while dropping as much fat as possible.
 
Green K's to you bro.
I'm surprised more people didnt hit you with the green...do you have before and after pics?

EandO said:
Ok - here it is...

I am 26 years old and currently weighing 270lbs at 6ft. My BF% is 15% according to the gym scales. I have been on and off cycles now since I was a sophmore in college where I was playing NCAA DIV !-AA football and weighing 255lbs. While playing, I was like a machine! I felt invincible and I have never been stronger. Then, when my college career was coming to an end, I blew up my shoulder completely destroying my rotator cuff.

As most of you probably now assume, I blew up. I couldnt lift anything and when I did recover from all the treatments, etc..., being in the gym was extremely frustrating, so I gave up. I blew up to around 335lbs. Then I finally reached a point after seeing a picture that was taken of me on the beach and desided to do something. In July of 2006, I designed a diet/lifting/cardio plan that I did full force for about 2 months. Obviously, I had a great deal of weight to lose so I quickly began to shed the weight, most of which being water. Finally, I got down to around 300lbs (35lb loss from the start) and having juiced in the past, I decided to jump on a test testosterone propionate / Winstrol - stanozolol cycle. I ran the cycle for 16 weeks and then came off with clomid and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . When my cycle was complete, I dropped down to 252lbs.

So after all my rambling, my question is, why are people against fat people taking steriods. I truly feel that they had a major contribution to my weight loss.

I am sure people will be bashing me for jumping on a cycle at such a high weight with such a high BF% but hey, look at the results...
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perp69 said:
I really don't see a problem with low doses especially when trying to lose weight. It helps preserve muscle mass. I don't really think it helps much in the weight lost dept though. For that your cardio and diet make the difference.

Perp
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I hope I am not hi-jacking in asking questions on this subject but what would be a good dose? Are we talking strictly test or something more mild like primo?
 
tracemhunter said:
krbn08, as much as I love OU I think that you and the other guy should take your little tiff to pm's instead of threadjacking this guys thread.
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Sorry bro's.

littleb and i stopped arguing last night. Everything's fine now.

Didn't mean to highjack any threads.
 
Some bros train harder and diet harder while ON gear.
sometimes that is what helps too not just the gear.
once you invest the money into your gear and start poking yourself you may cheat less on your diet and not skip workouts.

just sayin...you know...
 
EandO said:
Ok - here it is...

I am 26 years old and currently weighing 270lbs at 6ft. My BF% is 15% according to the gym scales. I have been on and off cycles now since I was a sophmore in college where I was playing NCAA DIV !-AA football and weighing 255lbs. While playing, I was like a machine! I felt invincible and I have never been stronger. Then, when my college career was coming to an end, I blew up my shoulder completely destroying my rotator cuff.

As most of you probably now assume, I blew up. I couldnt lift anything and when I did recover from all the treatments, etc..., being in the gym was extremely frustrating, so I gave up. I blew up to around 335lbs. Then I finally reached a point after seeing a picture that was taken of me on the beach and desided to do something. In July of 2006, I designed a diet/lifting/cardio plan that I did full force for about 2 months. Obviously, I had a great deal of weight to lose so I quickly began to shed the weight, most of which being water. Finally, I got down to around 300lbs (35lb loss from the start) and having juiced in the past, I decided to jump on a test testosterone propionate / Winstrol - stanozolol cycle. I ran the cycle for 16 weeks and then came off with clomid and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . When my cycle was complete, I dropped down to 252lbs.

So after all my rambling, my question is, why are people against fat people taking steriods. I truly feel that they had a major contribution to my weight loss.

I am sure people will be bashing me for jumping on a cycle at such a high weight with such a high BF% but hey, look at the results...
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bro im with you former fatty here too, former football player now mma guy, If your athletic and fat I think roids help, I have changed my body in 4 months. When I wa snew to this board I posted my pics and got flamed by tons of people saying I was too fat, but I knew my muscle memory would kick in and that with the motivation I would turn my body around and so far so good, fuck the haters, unless they have been fat they will never understand. Im with you bro.
 
b_light said:
why do people always say "i blew out my shoulder" or "i blew out my knee" you don't blow it out you fuck it up. you cant "blow out" a bodypart unless you get hit with a fucking land mine.
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Well shit! The other day I damn near BLEW OUT my colon from all the protein/carbs consumption!
 
Hey bro congradulations!!! I know exactly how it is, before the cycle I'm on now, I ran and dieted like hell for a while, but seemed to be at a standstill. No matter how hard I tried it seemed like I couldn't get below 20% bodyfat. I woke up in the morning and ran and did cardio in the evening, had my diet down great and all, just have the genetics of danny devito. Right now I'm on my last week of this cycle, didn't gain any weight, but have cut down bodyfat to 16.5%, increased bench by 60 pounds, increased squats by over 100, have had some excellent results, am physically stronger with a lot less fat. Wish like hell I had before and after pics. A few people kept telling me I shouldn't have been on at all until i get down to 15%, but I haven't ever been 15%. Even in the best shape of my life in the military, I was 16.5, Just have a natural body like that!!! Now though I have confidence I haven't had in years, and I seriously believe the gear is the huge reason for that!!! I will say too, the people on here have helped tremendously!!! I think it depends on the circumstances before you do them. If youre a fat slob who just wants to get big without having to work out or diet, that's one thing. If you try like hell everyday, but seem to be in a rut, by all means, go for it!!!
 
I'm thinking about doing HGH in hopes that I can lower my BF% by even more. Anyone think it's worth a shot??
 
EandO said:
Ok - here it is...

I am 26 years old and currently weighing 270lbs at 6ft. My BF% is 15% according to the gym scales. I have been on and off cycles now since I was a sophmore in college where I was playing NCAA DIV !-AA football and weighing 255lbs. While playing, I was like a machine! I felt invincible and I have never been stronger. Then, when my college career was coming to an end, I blew up my shoulder completely destroying my rotator cuff.

As most of you probably now assume, I blew up. I couldnt lift anything and when I did recover from all the treatments, etc..., being in the gym was extremely frustrating, so I gave up. I blew up to around 335lbs. Then I finally reached a point after seeing a picture that was taken of me on the beach and desided to do something. In July of 2006, I designed a diet/lifting/cardio plan that I did full force for about 2 months. Obviously, I had a great deal of weight to lose so I quickly began to shed the weight, most of which being water. Finally, I got down to around 300lbs (35lb loss from the start) and having juiced in the past, I decided to jump on a test testosterone propionate / Winstrol - stanozolol cycle. I ran the cycle for 16 weeks and then came off with clomid and HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . When my cycle was complete, I dropped down to 252lbs.

So after all my rambling, my question is, why are people against fat people taking steriods. I truly feel that they had a major contribution to my weight loss.

I am sure people will be bashing me for jumping on a cycle at such a high weight with such a high BF% but hey, look at the results...
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fat guys taking juice only makes them fatter. The muscle gained is nasty and their bf increases with weight. Mostly water weight is gained, thats why being a low bf before taking steroids is very beneficial to the bodys physique.

I am trying to get down to 6% then hit up a bulker im 9-10% right now and well on my way.
 
boxhdn said:
.... A few people kept telling me I shouldn't have been on at all until i get down to 15%, but I haven't ever been 15%.
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I really wish i knew where this magic 15% number came from....quite frankly i think there are some people who can't get under 15% withouth AAS cause they can't build the LBM...

There are others who are "lucky" and never go over 15%...


WIth that said i don't think this number applies to everyone and its all on a case by case basis
 
Dr. K said:
I really wish i knew where this magic 15% number came from....quite frankly i think there are some people who can't get under 15% withouth anabolic androgenic steroids cause they can't build the LBM...

There are others who are "lucky" and never go over 15%...


WIth that said i don't think this number applies to everyone and its all on a case by case basis
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I think the 15% was plucked from cyberspace and repeated by online message board parrots
 
I'll link/bump the thread here in a second, but there was a thread where me, Chefwide and Mr. X got into it big time over this exact same subject. The positive effects AAS have on your metabolism as well as ability to diet like crazy with minimal lean mass loss seems favorable for a body composition change. At the same time, looking for that magic bullet seems to be what some people are doing. If you can separate the two desires, I like the idea of using AAS as a part of a body composition change ''cycle''
 
Dr. K said:
I hope I am not hi-jacking in asking questions on this subject but what would be a good dose? Are we talking strictly test or something more mild like Primobolan - methenolone - ?
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I am talking low something you could run for a bit without much worry. Around 200-250mg. It will shut down your natty test so you got to think about if you do. I guess you could use about whatever you wanted as long as it is injectable.

Perp
 
bmcadoo44 said:
fat guys taking juice only makes them fatter. The muscle gained is nasty and their bf increases with weight. Mostly water weight is gained, thats why being a low bf before taking steroids is very beneficial to the bodys physique.

I am trying to get down to 6% then hit up a bulker im 9-10% right now and well on my way.
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Wrong Wrong Wrong. Diet and cardio is a much bigger factor in whether or not you gain or loose weight not so much AAS. In addition I am talking low dose not running typical cycle. What is nasty muscle? Muscle is muscle. If you are dieting I would not expect much gain as far as muscle goes. If it happens then great. That is just icing on the cake. I diet to loose body fat and to retain as much muscle as possible. Low dose AAS can help with that no matter how fat you are.

Perp
 
I was on 300/wk test cyp and 400/wk EQ, and started off fat, no one can tell me that fat guys shouldnt use at all under any circumstances. I've had a lot of compliments from everyone. I'm just built natrually thick though.
 
I'll have to agree with several people, forget being fat..if you are willing to change your diet to be on point and workout hard as shit...it doesnt matter, the AAS will help. Way to many positives to not take it.

The key here is not still being a lazy fat ass eating donuts....you have to be willing to sacrifce the food and take the pain out on your body.
 
bmcadoo44 said:
fat guys taking juice only makes them fatter. The muscle gained is nasty and their bf increases with weight. Mostly water weight is gained, thats why being a low bf before taking steroids is very beneficial to the bodys physique.

I am trying to get down to 6% then hit up a bulker im 9-10% right now and well on my way.
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your rediculous, how can you say fat guys taking roids makes them fatter. I was fat when I Started and I have increased my weight while dropping significant bodyfat, I even posted pics here to prove it. your a peice of work saying that gains made by a fat guy is nasty. Dont post up uninformed posts bro makes you look like an asshat.
 
Dr. K said:
I really wish i knew where this magic 15% number came from....quite frankly i think there are some people who can't get under 15% withouth anabolic androgenic steroids cause they can't build the LBM...

There are others who are "lucky" and never go over 15%...


WIth that said i don't think this number applies to everyone and its all on a case by case basis
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Your average North-American male is 15% BF. I guess some guys just have trouble being better than average lol.
 
Have you bro's been out in public away from the gym lately? The average North American Male WISHES they were at 15% :chomp:
 
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