extended atkins diet???

[freeweight]

what is your opinions on being on the atkins diet for an extended period of time?? i am bound and determined to get ripped up. i have changed all my workouts to consist of high reps only (30). and i am also running four to five days a week. i was wondering if there was any negative sides to being on the ketogenic diet too long. any thoughts will be greatly appreciated. thanks.

 

[Mr.X]

Don't stay in Ketosis for more than 2 weeks, for after that your leptin levels will be low and fat-loss will not occur. You can do 14/2 (14day Ketosis/2 day carb-up) but you need the carb-up.

Mr.X

 

[smr91481]

i read that using low weight and really high reps is a big mistake that people make that are trying to get cut.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

atkins is for sedentary people-you are quite active so go with 5 days no carbs and 1-2 days high carbs

 

[mranderson]

iv found for me that a low carb diet is far more effective then a no carb diet for me realy made no progress in fat loss on no carb added early morning carbs and fat started melting off, any experts have any answers why it might work for some and not for others?

 

[KWKSLVR]

I've been in the Induction stage of Atkins since June and i've lost 46lbs with very light exercise (gone from 283 to 237). Atkins is PROVEN, dispite what skeptics say. Anything that has been around for 30 years is not a fad

Don't forget, you can stay in Induction (no more than 20 grams of carbs a day) for as long as you feel good doing so.

 

[KWKSLVR]

BTW - Don't forget that you CAN'T cheat on Atkins, nor can you modify it in any way. You MUST follow it to the T or your just shooting yourself in the foot.

If you bulk on carbs 1 day a week while on atkins, let me know how much weight you gain

 

[MrTestosterone]

Atkins is not the king-god of ketogenic diets. Yes, it is effective, but no one can convince me that it is the optimal keto. First of all, Atkins places minimal emphasis on quality of fats. If a person was to replace the heavy cream he uses on the Atkins program with omega3 acids, the results from that change alone would be staggering. However, this goes against Atkins target audience: fat, middle-aged women that don't want to exercise. Atkins has to make his diet both appealing and effective. In doing this, the Atkins program becomes sub-optimal, to say the least.

Secondly, an extended SKD, by definition, will have a decrease in lipolysis and an increase in protein breakdown in relation to the duration of the diet. Staying on the Atkins diet for a year means huge loses in body proteins. Most of the lipolysis occurs in the virginal stages of an SKD. This is why CKD's, etc. have become so popular among athletes.

Point: The Atkins diet may be effective if you want to sacrifice body weight at the Altar of Protein Breakdown, but don't expect it to be a part of a true bodybuilder's regimen.

Boy, I bet that pissed some people off.

Coe

 

[MrTestosterone]

iv found for me that a low carb diet is far more effective then a no carb diet for me realy made no progress in fat loss on no carb added early morning carbs and fat started melting off, any experts have any answers why it might work for some and not for others?

Two words: insulin sensitivity. People with extreme insulin resistance are usually the ones that do exceptionally well on ketogenic diets. The blessed ones with lower insulin resistance will generally do just fine with a restricted calorie diet. Then again, the insulin resistant crowd may often do just as well if they convert to low-glycemic carbs which cause less dramatic insulin response. The problem is that low-GI carbs are pretty hard to come by the good ole' USA. We process our food to an ungodly degree. Between high-speed mills, microcrystallization, and other forms of "GI-spiking," the insulin-resistant Americans are basically set up to be fat and diabetic. Those with this problem simply have to get accustomed to living a lifestyle that is conducive to their dietary needs. This requires more work than others, but it has to be done.

Chances are, you aren't very insulin resistant. Consider yourself lucky.

Coe

 

[KWKSLVR]

Mr Testosterone - Don't forget that most people on atkins do not want to be body builders. I agree, atkins is not the way to go if you want to look like Fabio.

I'm on Atkins for a few reasons.

1) I'm tired of being unhealthy
2) Genetically i'm high risk for heart disease, diabeties and cancer
3) My major is Criminal Justice and by job will require being physically sound.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being on Atkins. There isn't a single documented case where an Atkins patient suffered kidney failure, heart disease, or any nutritional deficency while eating the Atkins way.

If being on Atkins for over a year was so bad, then there would be 10's of thousands of people dropping dead. Atkins isn't really a diet, its a change in life long habits. If your "on" Atkins, your never off.

 

[kneedeep0]

48/yo male slin resistant who's had bi-pass

I weigh 270 lbs with bf 70.7%.I'm insulin resistant and I had double bi-pass four years ago.I need to lose weight and get my tri-gyceride way down.What to do?help.....I've tried alot of thiings

 

[kneedeep0]

does it make sense to use insulin

Here's my plan.Strict low carb diet.Twice a week a balls to the walls work-out followed my high carb/protein liquid meal.Then take blood surgar level
and inject insulin and hgh.I'm a type two diabetic.My understanding is that the slin will transport nutrients into the cell and the hgh will do the same for the proteins.If this is a workable plan,I'd think I'd get mass gain from the weight training and weight loss(no mass loss,only fat) from the low carb diet.Also,I'd supplement
my weight training with light to moderate cardio.After the work-outs I'd take a full day off.Then build up to a moderate cardio daily.Then I'd start the process again.I'd be using hgh twice a week,after the weight training.Thx kneedeep0.Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[IGoRyEk69]

what is the quickest way to get back in ketosis???

 

[kneedeep0]

quick way to ketosis

insulin

 

[keiko]

Mr. Test--any relation to David Allen?

Gorky--milk thistle extract helps your liver dump glucose, so you can get into ketosis faster. Also, dropping your carbs to 0, and exercising like a madman (there's no other way, right?) will help.

KWK--I'm glad you're having success for Atkins, but remember, most everyone here is a bodybuilder. Atkins is also very hard to maintain in the real world, I think. Here's a link to some other sound diets (I like Isocaloric) should you ever want to think of changing.\

http://home.earthlink.net/~vinnyi/dieting/diets.htm

 

[MrTestosterone]

Mr Testosterone - Don't forget that most people on atkins do not want to be body builders. I agree, atkins is not the way to go if you want to look like Fabio.

I'm on Atkins for a few reasons.

1) I'm tired of being unhealthy
2) Genetically i'm high risk for heart disease, diabeties and cancer
3) My major is Criminal Justice and by job will require being physically sound.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being on Atkins. There isn't a single documented case where an Atkins patient suffered kidney failure, heart disease, or any nutritional deficency while eating the Atkins way.

If being on Atkins for over a year was so bad, then there would be 10's of thousands of people dropping dead. Atkins isn't really a diet, its a change in life long habits. If your "on" Atkins, your never off.

I understand what you are saying. My main point in posting my response was in reference to the original post. That person obviously has acquired some muscle mass and probably wants to hold on to it. Do I think Atkins is a good program for the average guy, one whose only concern is to drop bodyfat? Yes, although I feel there are certainly better methods. The main problem I have with the Atkins program, as I said before, is the monstrous consumption of O6 fats with little emphasis on O3 fats. So, add some flax or fish oils, and I have no problems with the diet so long as the person is not a typical bodybuilder. The SKD is not for athletes or bodybuilders concerned with maintaining muscularity and strength. If I came off as being hostile, I apologize, but I still do not care much for the program.

BTW, no relation to David Allen. Coe's my first name

Coe

 

[IGoRyEk69]

If you say that Atkins diet is not for a body builder then what is a good diet for a BB other than CKD???

 

[keiko]

Isocaloric works great, try my link for more info.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

If you say that Atkins diet is not for a body builder then what is a good diet for a BB other than CKD???

THE METABOLIC DIET

 

[MrTestosterone]

If you say that Atkins diet is not for a body builder then what is a good diet for a BB other than CKD???

You don't have to be in a ketogenic state to drop bodyfat (see my post on insulin sensitivity). Most people do quite well on a restricted-calorie diet that incorporates all of the macronutrients. Making subtle changes in the diet such as replacing a portion of one's carb calories with O3 fat calories is one way to do it.

If you are sold on the keto diet, go with a CKD or a TKD. Personally, the TKD is my favorite among the ketoes, but it is all a matter of how each person will respond to a specific diet. While one person may do extremely well on Bod Opus, another person may do just as well on a (much less painful) restricted-cal diet.

Coe

 

[Cornellius]

If you say that Atkins diet is not for a body builder then what is a good diet for a BB other than CKD???

Dan Duchaine´s Bodyopus...

 

[fawnmarie]

Atkins

Well you actually CAN "cheat" on Atkins, and/or cycle, but you can't expect to dump much body fat that way. If you're only losing fat when in ketosis, then carb load, it takes another couple of days to get back into ketosis. If you carb load every week, you'll only end up spending one or two days a week in ketosis.

I dumped 65 pounds on Atkins. I'd do induction for two weeks, then raise up to about 80-100 for a couple of days, then drop down to 20 for another 3 weeks.

BTW - I'm too squeamish to shoot insulin into myself (or anything else). However, alpha lipoic acid gets me back into ketosis quicker than anything else. I'm a small woman, and about 200-300 mg the day of and after a "cheat", and I'm back into ketosis within 12 hours.

Also, carb cutters are SHIT for losing weight, but they're good for a "cheat". If you know you're going to cheat, try some at double dose. It'll make it easier to get back into ketosis, and for me, at least, I don't have to go through "carb withdrawl" afterwards.

Atkins ISN'T really made for body builders - at least at induction levels. Induction (under 20 grams a day) is only supposed to be for the first two weeks, then you're supposed to raise the level to suit your metabolism and activity level. When I was working out regularly, lifting and doing cardio, I found I could lose fat on as much as 50-60 grams a day. And I'm a women - men use up carbs a lot faster.

If you're not interested in SKD's or CKD's - you might want to look into the Protein Power diet which sets a minimum protein requirement (might not be high enough for a body builder, though) which is way higher than the average American crap diet - and carb levels at about 40 per day for non-obese dieters.

Fawn