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exactly 3 weeks into tren E and var

stevesmi

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and I am up 10 pounds no joke. i've never put on this much mass so fast in my life. i'm stacking 400mg of tren E per week, with 50mg of var per day.. along with N2bulk, gear (when i miss a meal), a lot of healthy veggies and organic meats/eggs, hcgenerate, and NTBM whey protein (peanut butter crunch:)) sick stack.. basically i run this stack in the morning when i wake up and then again after the gym. i've been doing my push/pull/legs 3 day split that is in my sig and working out 6X per week 1 hour a day.. with 2X per week of hill cardio

my acupuncturist today said i was putting on way too much size and I needed to stop working my upper body for a week because I couldn't even put my arms in the air freely. my gf is saying she sees muscles on me that she didn't even know existed around the collar bone, i'm guessing its the top part of the pecs?

my strength is up huge as well. who else has run this stack and gotten such fast results?

i'm gonna take his advice and stop working the upper body for a week and stop my cycle temporarily until i am able to regain flexibility.. pretty much my upper body is locked up so gonna hit a couple yoga classes this week and hopefully be ready to roll again by the weekend... then i will start up the cycle again. weird strategy but i want to kill it hard the 2nd half of the cycle.

just thought i would share an update. i will post up a pic tomorow
 
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Congrats, You will see a totally different body transformation on your frame within 6 to 8 weeks. I thought you were going to start that in a couple of months? lololol With you being natty for most of last year, you will see a lot of gains Steve. I know you did not want to add test this time however you may need to in a couple of weeks for the libido issues you are going to encounter. Just my opinion, however I know exactly what your goals are without Test..:artist:
 
^^^ yeah i was able to get my shit ironed out in a few weeks instead of a few months. so i jumped on...

I don't think i will have libido issues, i've run tren alone before. the caber really does a number on my libido.

i hate that I have to stop for a week but i'm not gonna risk overtraining, my body is telling me to stop.. too much too fast. just gonna train my legs this week, let my upper body catch up. the first week things were coming on slow then week 2 boom the gains went crazy

haven't had any side effects at all.. maybe a little morning naseau thats all when i haven't drunk enough.. but i keep water on me 24/7 to stay hydrated
 
Let me know how you like the tren e as I am thinking of using that in my next cycle.
 
Wheres the test??????

jk, sounds badass bro. Is that tren only pinned once a week or something?
 
so far less sides with E. it did take a week to feel it come on, with ace i felt it within a couple days lol... gotta love tren. i think the var is really hardening me up maybe too much, that is probably why my shoulders and back are locking up on me. same thing happened when i ran proviron.

SD: i'm pinning the E every 3-4 days. so roughly twice a week. yeah if i ran test with this stack i would be horny like a jackrabbit.. tren+ test = horny .. i don't think it would have enhanced my cycle though.. 10 pounds in 3 weeks is way beyond what i was trying to accomplish.. really my goal was a few pounds of net muscle gains over the course of the whole cycle.

i'm still wondering where are the sides? libido is strong, and i'm sleeping like a baby. thank you caber!
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ yeah i was able to get my shit ironed out in a few weeks instead of a few months. so i jumped on...

I don't think i will have libido issues, i've run tren alone before. the caber really does a number on my libido.

i hate that I have to stop for a week but i'm not gonna risk overtraining, my body is telling me to stop.. too much too fast. just gonna train my legs this week, let my upper body catch up. the first week things were coming on slow then week 2 boom the gains went crazy

haven't had any side effects at all.. maybe a little morning naseau thats all when i haven't drunk enough.. but i keep water on me 24/7 to stay hydrated
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Thats good to hear pal. You are also running the E in lieu of the A ,in which I wished you would have run the Ace however their is always next time. lol You will have great results off either because you know how to train and diet.. Im delighted for you pal....
 
Arabian said:
Thats good to hear pal. You are also running the E in lieu of the A ,in which I wished you would have run the Ace however their is always next time. lol You will have great results off either because you know how to train and diet.. Im delighted for you pal....
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Arabian why would you prefer him to
Run ace over eth?
 
Arabian said:
Thats good to hear pal. You are also running the E in lieu of the A ,in which I wished you would have run the Ace however their is always next time. lol You will have great results off either because you know how to train and diet.. Im delighted for you pal....
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ran ace twice before.. wanted to try the E this time. just to see what would happen. i'm confident in my PCT enough to stretch the cycle out a bit more this time.. only ran ace 6 weeks before.. i am gonna shoot for 8 weeks with E this time.

did u have problems with E yourself? so far it seems my sides are non existant with E, granted its early
 
stevesmi said:
ran ace twice before.. wanted to try the E this time. just to see what would happen. i'm confident in my PCT enough to stretch the cycle out a bit more this time.. only ran ace 6 weeks before.. i am gonna shoot for 8 weeks with E this time.

did u have problems with E yourself? so far it seems my sides are non existant with E, granted its early
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The E messed with my libido a lot more than Ace did. I did a 6 week E cycle along with test 500 and I just prefer the Ace is all. I know a lot of people do not want to inject EOD however I have tried it several times EOD 3rd day at 100 and it works fine for me. I think the reason the Ace works better for me is that Im on HRT so my blood levels are a lot more stable with A than with 2 injects a week off of E.. With you being natty most of the year you should make awesome gains on the E..
 
I really want to run tren ace with sust 250. The ace at 450mg/wk and the sust at 500mg/wk. its either that or primo instead of tren but i think i might opt for the tren instead. The only thing i dont want are the bad night sweats
 
stevesmi said:
and I am up 10 pounds no joke. i've never put on this much mass so fast in my life. i'm stacking 400mg of tren E per week, with 50mg of var per day.. along with N2bulk, gear (when i miss a meal), a lot of healthy veggies and organic meats/eggs, hcgenerate, and NTBM whey protein (peanut butter crunch:)) sick stack.. basically i run this stack in the morning when i wake up and then again after the gym. i've been doing my push/pull/legs 3 day split that is in my sig and working out 6X per week 1 hour a day.. with 2X per week of hill cardio

my acupuncturist today said i was putting on way too much size and I needed to stop working my upper body for a week because I couldn't even put my arms in the air freely. my gf is saying she sees muscles on me that she didn't even know existed around the collar bone, i'm guessing its the top part of the pecs?

my strength is up huge as well. who else has run this stack and gotten such fast results?

i'm gonna take his advice and stop working the upper body for a week and stop my cycle temporarily until i am able to regain flexibility.. pretty much my upper body is locked up so gonna hit a couple yoga classes this week and hopefully be ready to roll again by the weekend... then i will start up the cycle again. weird strategy but i want to kill it hard the 2nd half of the cycle.

just thought i would share an update. i will post up a pic tomorow
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Awsome bro! Gotta hit us wit sm pics.

Hey so you only ran tren a before? I was thinkin bout tren e but never did cause if sides occur that  is in ur system for ah while although no sides for me while was on tren a except for wantin to run thru a brick wall and insomia like ah mofo
 
On my current 10 week cycle, I was running 60 mg ed var with andropen and ended up dropping the var due to joint / flexibility / connective tissue stress. I was starting to feel like an old man and not an athlete. I train in Krav Maga and wrestle on top of lifting, so the var was killing my mobility. Within days I was feeling 100% better on test only. I do miss the pumps, strength boost and hardness from the var, but at least I can move.

Would proviron serve a similar purpose as the var, without the mobility impairment? Granted, I realize Proviron is less anabolic.
 
Great work Steve!!

Man, I am listeing to your experience, as well as Arabian also. I am also in agreement with Arabian, as I have taken Tren E and it was powerful, VERY powerful!! I say, get ready anytime now for the power of the Tren is coming. The Enanthate is the reason its taking longer. I want to try the Ace version now, in a couple of weeks as a matter of fact.
 
theemperor said:
Great work Steve!!

Man, I am listeing to your experience, as well as Arabian also. I am also in agreement with Arabian, as I have taken Tren E and it was powerful, VERY powerful!! I say, get ready anytime now for the power of the Tren is coming. The Enanthate is the reason its taking longer. I want to try the Ace version now, in a couple of weeks as a matter of fact.
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Bro ace was like week two dunnnndudunnnnn im here fucker!!! Get some son! Wow week four ladies beware week 5 oh my week six am kill someting beside da p u s s y! Gotta get off what a great ride!
 
Arabian said:
Hey pal, I prefer the Ace over the E due to the Ace being stronger and the fact that I can control my blood levels better with Eod injections.
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If u dont mind the extra pinning, ace is the way to go, no doubt about it!
 
Arabian said:
Hey pal, I prefer the Ace over the E due to the Ace being stronger and the fact that I can control my blood levels better with Eod injections.
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That's cool. I just hate being a pin cushion so when I opt to run tren I think it will be eth, if that weren't the case I would do either or depending on which was available and what my goals were at that point.
 
*** pics are up on first post ... sloppy pics but you can see the MASS MASS MASS.
not bad for just 3 weeks so far. we will see what happens the 2nd half of the cycle.

i'm up to 335 on the bench for 3 reps. ... nailed 500 on the squat, new PR for me.
 
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what is your weight in those pics?

also if flexibility is becoming an issue Id recommend "yoga for fighters" its a 45 min yoga routine designed for bjj guys and mma guys but its good for anyone and works the muscles most bodybuilders are gonna have issues with. Even if you only sneak it in 2x a week you will help prevent stress or injury down the road

great results.. not a surprise.. you eat properly, train properly and have a good mix of AAS and supps.
 
I'm in the low 190's at 5 6 so I am holding a lot of muscle mass on my small skeleton. I'm actually up 13 pounds, but i put down 10 pounds in my first post cause I didn't think anyone would believe me without pics .. i think there was a 3 day span where the scale went up 6 pounds.. i didn't believe it until i used 2 more scales and confirmed the weight gain. also friends i haven't seen in a couple weeks were asking what the heck i was taking. I was working out like an animal though.. I only missed 2 days in 3 weeks. and I was adding sets on the same muscle group back to back days. a little trick Ross taught me a few months back .. also i went into the cycle in as good a shape as i've ever been in

the way the acupuncturist described the problem is my brain is telling my body to lock up. its a mechanical issue. too much mass put on too fast so that is what I get. so he wants me to just do legs this week and lay off the upper body.

i'm doing yoga at home daily and i'm gonna hit a couple classes at the gym..
 
Steve, you look great in those pics. When I started my cycle, I found out I couldn't scrub my back in the shower anymore like I used to. This stuff definitely messes with flexibility. I have a hard time buckling my seatbelt lol.

Tren is the best of the best. Enjoy it! My biggest problem is I don't really want to come off of it. Going into the 9th or 10th week at 700mg and I don't have 1 side affect. Libido is great. I look good. Feel good. Sleep great...maybe I'll go on an hrt of tren ace lol?
 
yeah bro you have a ton of mass for your height!

Great job!

what are you goals? short term/ long term? ever think about competing? or power lifting?
 
^^ well i love competition .. i was a competitive 5K and half marathon runner, and before that i was a powerlifter back when i was in high school and college. i am going to a BB competition next month in my area so i am gonna look, learn, and see if i get the itch to do it myself or i might say fuck it i just want to be a gym rat and leave that for someone else
 
nice work bro.

how's the libido without test? up, down, unchanged? And when you say you're going to stop your cycle for a week, are you going to stop pinning and taking the var?
 
Judo Tom said:
what is your weight in those pics?

also if flexibility is becoming an issue Id recommend "yoga for fighters" its a 45 min yoga routine designed for bjj guys and mma guys but its good for anyone and works the muscles most bodybuilders are gonna have issues with. Even if you only sneak it in 2x a week you will help prevent stress or injury down the road

great results.. not a surprise.. you eat properly, train properly and have a good mix of AAS and supps.
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^^^This and not only that, Steve has a great frame that can be chiseled to lean him out. He will look awesome once his Tren cycle is completed.. :artist:
 
zwhit said:
nice work bro.

how's the libido without test? up, down, unchanged? And when you say you're going to stop your cycle for a week, are you going to stop pinning and taking the var?
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libido is the same.

yes i am stopping the cycle for a week, i am suspecting the var is hardening things and turning me into a stone.. had this same problem when i ran proviron.. so stopping it is gonna help loosen me up a bit..

only thing i will be doing is stretch/yoga, leg work, and some extra cardio this week.. then gonna kill it again for the final 5 weeks of cycle.
 
Arabian said:
^^^This and not only that, Steve has a great frame that can be chiseled to lean him out. He will look awesome once his Tren cycle is completed.. :artist:
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yup thats why the mods and vets keep preaching have a base.. hope the young guys reading this don't think they can just run this cycle and get these results overnight. it takes years and years of hard work to get to where i am.
 
johnnyboy3689282 said:
Good shit steve.... Looking good man... So are you eating alot of carbs or just staying low for the lean look?
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my diet stays the same year round.. when i go into a cutting mode I will pop a forged burner in the morning and reduce portions.

but i believe in carbs, cals, protein, vits/minerals with every meal. something typical i go for is a chicken, brown rice, green veggie meal. a time and money saving trick is buy your meat, your veggies, your rice.. then cook it all at once.. bake the meat in the oven, boil the veggies and boil the rice. put them in tupperware.. that will last you the week and you don't have to worry about it going bad. when you want to eat just re-heat it. saves you a ton of time

also i eat a lot of cage free omega eggs, sweet potato's, and organic food.

my only cheat is i will have a slice of cheesecake maybe once a month. other than that i don't cheat at all and i avoid restaurant food and obviously fast food etc.

i'm aiming for 200 pounds while keeping body fat under 14%.
i doubt i will get there this cycle.. but that is my goal right now over the next year.
at my height getting over 200 without looking like a bloated, chubby pig isn't easy to do. if my body fat starts inching up over 15% then i go into cutting mode and incorporate extra cardio...
 
Steve. What is the deal with being stiff? That happened to me last week. I am running tren ace 40mg a day. I just thought It might have been my creatine. My muscles felt so huge for days. Being stiff sucked but it made me feel like I had to of out on tons of mass quick. Why does this happen?
 
good work bro...you are seriosly hardening up on that shit.

are you running that caber .5 x 2 a week or what way you dosing it .

I would not have expected to see much from var at 50mg..but there you go.

keep up the hard work fella.
 
GradeABeef said:
Steve. What is the deal with being stiff? That happened to me last week. I am running tren ace 40mg a day. I just thought It might have been my creatine. My muscles felt so huge for days. Being stiff sucked but it made me feel like I had to of out on tons of mass quick. Why does this happen?
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the way the acupuncturist described it is that the brain sends a signal to the body to LOCK UP. it doesn't help if you are throwing around heavy weights..

if you can't raise your arms up and down freely then you have a problem.
 
C0LUMB0 said:
good work bro...you are seriosly hardening up on that shit.

are you running that caber .5 x 2 a week or what way you dosing it .

I would not have expected to see much from var at 50mg..but there you go.

keep up the hard work fella.
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.5mg whenever i inject the tren.. so yeah it comes out to about twice a week.
 
stevesmi said:
the way the acupuncturist described it is that the brain sends a signal to the body to LOCK UP. it doesn't help if you are throwing around heavy weights..

if you can't raise your arms up and down freely then you have a problem.
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So the best way to get rid of it is to stop working out? I went from a crazy 6 day a week to a super heavy 4 day a week lifting and it seemed to clear up. I had issues just brushing my teeth. It was crazy.
 
^^^ well for the pain the acupuncture helped tremendously.. my pain is 90% gone after that treatment.

and then for the tightness he used chiropractic techniques.. not sure what its called but he used a machine to loosen things up, like a drill type device. and obviously he did the cracking neck thing on me. its kinda like getting a pittbull to let go of a bone, gotta get it to release... if you keep doing the wrong thing it will grab the bone even more and its gonna be even harder to let go .. after he did this my arms were free to move up and down... so it helped bigtime

i would avoid squats or anything where you are putting a bar on your back which is pushing your chest forward, kinda like a hunchback.. when i would do squats my problem would get worse the next day.

notice how bodybuilders walk around with their chests out, its not cause they are cocky, its cause they have so much fucking mass that their chests get pushed outward. also he mentioned i need to do a better job breathing which he is correct, i haven't been breathing well when i've been lifting.. just a lot of straining and grunting trying to push heavy weight around.

i would fine a GOOD acupuncturist.. check reviews online.. this dude i'm going to has rave reviews and his office was PACKED solid with clients.. that is a good way to know if they are good or not.

and also he mentioned to stay away from massage therapists (his office does massage too).. massages can cause the problem to get worse. this is a mistake i made as i got 2 massages last week and i felt worse after. a lot of these mssage therapists don't know what the heck they are doing
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ well for the pain the acupuncture helped tremendously.. my pain is 90% gone after that treatment.

and then for the tightness he used chiropractic techniques.. not sure what its called but he used a machine to loosen things up, like a drill type device. and obviously he did the cracking neck thing on me. its kinda like getting a pittbull to let go of a bone, gotta get it to release... if you keep doing the wrong thing it will grab the bone even more and its gonna be even harder to let go .. after he did this my arms were free to move up and down... so it helped bigtime

i would avoid squats or anything where you are putting a bar on your back which is pushing your chest forward, kinda like a hunchback.. when i would do squats my problem would get worse the next day.

notice how bodybuilders walk around with their chests out, its not cause they are cocky, its cause they have so much fucking mass that their chests get pushed outward. also he mentioned i need to do a better job breathing which he is correct, i haven't been breathing well when i've been lifting.. just a lot of straining and grunting trying to push heavy weight around.

i would fine a GOOD acupuncturist.. check reviews online.. this dude i'm going to has rave reviews and his office was PACKED solid with clients.. that is a good way to know if they are good or not.

and also he mentioned to stay away from massage therapists (his office does massage too).. massages can cause the problem to get worse. this is a mistake i made as i got 2 massages last week and i felt worse after. a lot of these mssage therapists don't know what the heck they are doing
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That is GREAT to know cause I was thinking of a message this week. I am in upstate ny and don't think there are any acupuncture around here. I am from ca and miss everything. Things I am used to are not here.
 
Steve is in beast mode!! Awesome work Steve. You will be back killing all body parts before you know it!!
 
overgreen said:
Looking awesome Steve! What kind of pain were you having? Neck?
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my entire upper body locked up.

i looked like a hunchback... if you see the pics my traps are bulging like crazy, i am not even really flexing in those pics, they are like that 24/7... gotta get them to let go. see my post on the last page on what the acupuncturist described to me.. its a mechanical problem. too much mass too fast is not a good thing. could i take some drugs to temporarily fix the problem? yes, but i would be causing long term damage. that i am not gonna do. i can start trashing my body when i am in my 50's and not worry about my long term health.. but not in my early 30's. I don't want to be starring in the next Humpback of Notre Dame movie at 40
 
The way tren impacts nutrient partitioning and glycogen storage most of that weight is simply due to a much higher glycogen uptake in your muscle tissue... which will put weight on you, make your muscle bellies look and feel thicker and fuller. Obviously there will be some legit muscle growth in there as well, just pointing out that most of that weight gain is muscle glycogen (which isn't perminant but it will create a more anabolic environment that will speed up real growth and give you better gym performance to stimulate further growth).

Sounds like a very potent stack though for putting on quality size without fat/water gain.
 
^^^ don't disagree with this at all. however keep in mind i've run tren before twice and did not have this kind of explosion.. my prior tren runs I only gained a net of a couple pounds (i have a tren log up somewhere on here you can check out), but i looked way better in the mirror both times. this time around I am blowing up like crazy. 13 net pounds and blowing through strength and weight barriers. something more is going on here, perhaps my body was ready to take things to another level this time around.. or perhaps the supplement stack I am using is aiding me ? and also keep in mind it was only 3 weeks in with E, not ace. something more is going on here with my body, can't figure out what it is though.

example is i had a guy spot me last week at 330, i told him i thought i would be able to get maybe 1 or 2 and warned him to let me struggle and don't take the weight away. i ended up drilling 4 reps with ease. and consider my prior max was 330 for 1 rep.. those kinds of strength gains are pretty remarkable. i wonder if its the combo of tren + var at work here.

another thing i don't understand either is that when i ran tren prior my appetite was shot to hell.. this time my appetite is through the roof. that right there could explain the difference.. its almost like i am running a deca/dbol cycle and not tren/var.
 
^^^ considering the glycogen storage tren is so very prone to in animal studies (meaning surplus carbs do not convert to bodyfat but are just forced into muscle tissue that doesn't need them)... is your carb intake higher than on previous tren cycles? An extra 100g of carbs a day could account for it... or a much higher protein intake (as any not used for metabolic or tissue building purpose are also converted to carbs... which will be shuttled into muscle glycogen with that helfty dose of tren). Some other variable like this could be different. Still on that much tren and var and given your strength foundation I am not surprised you are making insane gains.
 
^^^thats a really good point.. the way i eat has changed. i've been making my food ahead of time and then re-heating it.. i used to cook the food then eat before. perhaps i am eating bigger portions since I already have the food cooked?

also like i said my appetite is up this time, usually tren kills it.
 
stevesmi said:
^^^thats a really good point.. the way i eat has changed. i've been making my food ahead of time and then re-heating it.. i used to cook the food then eat before. perhaps i am eating bigger portions since I already have the food cooked?

also like i said my appetite is up this time, usually tren kills it.
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There you go, probably it. Undereating is a huge mistake on tren, giving its nutrient partitioning effects, you need quite a large caloric surplus to really worry about fat gain unless estragen levels are elevated... the extra food goes a long way with it.
 
stevesmi said:
my entire upper body locked up.

i looked like a hunchback... if you see the pics my traps are bulging like crazy, i am not even really flexing in those pics, they are like that 24/7... gotta get them to let go. see my post on the last page on what the acupuncturist described to me.. its a mechanical problem. too much mass too fast is not a good thing. could i take some drugs to temporarily fix the problem? yes, but i would be causing long term damage. that i am not gonna do. i can start trashing my body when i am in my 50's and not worry about my long term health.. but not in my early 30's. I don't want to be starring in the next Humpback of Notre Dame movie at 40
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Yeh I read that but I guess I was thinking it was some other type of pain. I've never had any acupuncture but I do go to the chiropractor and get massages so it was something I was thinking about trying.
 
massages can be good but not for this.. most massage therapists will talk to you for about a minute and then go to work.. they don't really understand the mechanics to what is wrong or what is causing the problem. the girl who massaged me last week was hawt, however i felt worse the next 2 days after.
 
It's taken me a few years to find a good place but I finally found one. I'm very pleased with it and have continued to go there, me and my wife. I pulled a muscle in my neck a couple of months ago and had forgotten about it but my neck had been killing me and headaches. The masseuse went right to work and they pointed out where I was hurting and that's what it was from. Fixed me right up! I've had some crappy ones before so I know what your saying.
 
Steve honestly given your gains and goals I wouldn't increase the doses on either... I think you are going to reach your set goals on what you are using.

Also given the tightness you are experiencing a lot more stretching and foam rolling is in order. I maintain a great deal of flexibility and mobility training myself and now that I am on again I am finding it, + daily foam rolling to really work wonders in coaping with the rapid muscle regrowth (and the tightness and cramping associated with it). If you don't have a foam roller... investing in one will be the best $20 you've ever spent when on cycle.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Steve honestly given your gains and goals I wouldn't increase the doses on either... I think you are going to reach your set goals on what you are using.

Also given the tightness you are experiencing a lot more stretching and foam rolling is in order. I maintain a great deal of flexibility and mobility training myself and now that I am on again I am finding it, + daily foam rolling to really work wonders in coaping with the rapid muscle regrowth (and the tightness and cramping associated with it). If you don't have a foam roller... investing in one will be the best $20 you've ever spent when on cycle.
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The tightness I was feeling sounds like Steve's, I couldn't do anything for it. I tried stretching and it did nothing. I started to get it around last thursday and I worked out on Friday. I didn't work out again till Monday and it was pretty much done by then. My muscles felt like I still had my pump for days.
 
this thread is a great read. I hope your cycle ends well steve. I appreciate all the info you pour out in these threads.
 
i'm finishing up the cycle soon. gonna add a little masteron to harden things up.. i've moved to a catabolic diet and am really cutting things up, i don't look as full as i did in my previous pics but my abs are showing much better. since I'm using E its gonna be a few more weeks till i finish the cycle. then i will update.
 
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