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estrogen blockers "good or bad"?

MrStamina

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I was just wondering what a effect would estrogen blockers have on girl? Do they work ?
Any side effects?

My friend is thinking about taking them, she just stopped taking b/c pills and wants to get a kick start with her trainning. She was told that estrogen was one of the causes for water wieght and and fat gain.
So will estrogen blockers help to lose fat?
 
Personally, unless you're nearing contest ready (5 - 7% bodyfat) and juiced, even real drugs that reduce/block estrogen are unlikely to have an effect on the physique.

Regarding OTCs, don't waste your money.

The 6-OXO from ergoPharm is supposed to bind aromatase. Where's the data that it does that and in what tissue, reduces total circulating E (long-term) in women, and that it actually positively affects the physique. It is supposed to upregulate LH as well which would be counterproductive in women.

I see a number of threads on this board about women who are not competitors and are a millennia from anything that would resemble contest shape. Instead of thinking drugs or OTC drug-like products, try a solid course of diet and exercise for at least a year, perhaps some ECA if things stall at that point and be patient.

Personally, after years of hard diet and exercise, the route likely to make the most difference is a low dose of OX, not T3, clen, DNP or estrogen blockers. If you’re going to use any drug to potentially alter the way you look, all which have risks some far worse than AAS, you might as well use something that will produce solid results. Just my opinion, certainly not a recommendation.

Chyrsin supposedly blocks a subunit of the CYP enzyme system to reduce the conversion of T to E. Been looked at in andro studies, does nothing.

I3C upregulates the CYP enzyme responsible for routing estrone to 2-hydroxyestrone vs 16-alpha hydroxyestrone. May reduce breast cancer risk, but not enhance the physique.

Be careful what CYP enzyme inhibitor/activators you ingest as herbals. Some of the same enzymes they alter also process many xenobiotics and can also change the Phase II detox system. That means that they may alter the effectiveness of many drugs including OCs and make some of the toxins in our environment MORE carcinogenic in our bodies.
 
Wow, W6, lots of good info. 6 -oxo was the one I was thinking of. I've been doing this for about 20 years now, and never satisfied so I considered the 6 oxo. I know the real ox would be the best thing for me and my goals but can't go that route. I guess I'm looking at a lifetime of dieting! : (
 
A few guys on the anabolic board had their girlfriends on anastrozole (I think one might have had his gf on letrozole); they reported results, but I don't think there was any science behind it other then "hey try this ..." I'm also not sure how healthy supression of estrogen in women is and at what lengths of time.

Definitely nothing I'd feel comfortable recommending to my wife. At this point the subject intrigues me, but I'm waiting for more real world experiences. I'm most interested in the effects of anastrozole or letrozole in women, sides, interaction with bc and periods, etc.
 
"I'm also not sure how healthy supression of estrogen in women is and at what lengths of time."

You are wise to be concerned, although stopping a women's ovaries from producing estrogen is no easy task, and even drugs like anastrozole will likely only effect peripherally produced estrogen rather than ovarian estrogens. I agree with Wilson6 that AAS are prolly the most effective drugs for shutting down the ovaries estrogen production.
 
MS said:
"I'm also not sure how healthy supression of estrogen in women is and at what lengths of time."

You are wise to be concerned, although stopping a women's ovaries from producing estrogen is no easy task, and even drugs like anastrozole will likely only effect peripherally produced estrogen rather than ovarian estrogens. I agree with Wilson6 that AAS are prolly the most effective drugs for shutting down the ovaries estrogen production.

Hmmm... by this statement it would seem that anastrozole/letrozole would be safer in terms of HPOA impact than AAS? Am I understanding correctly?
 
Anastrozole is less likely to alter her hormones enough to affect fat loss measurably. This does not make it a safer drug IMHO, just less effective. Even in males, anastozole only reduces circulating estrogens by ~50%, and it appears to have little effect on ovarian estrogen production in women, which is by far the largest source of female estrogens. However, she may increase her T levels somewhat with aromatase inhibitors. I dunno. It depends on how fat she is to begin with and how much peripheral E she produces as a result.
 
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