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Ephedra Safe Or Not?

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Well it seems all ive seen so far on this thread is opinions!!! I would like to see how yall stake your claims when it comes to Ephedra!!! Show me university studies which say Ephedra is safe for everyone and i will close my case!!!! ~JT~
 
OF course its not safe for everyone you moron. Its not safe for those with pre-existing heart or liver conditions, or those that are morbidly obese. Then again, running is unsafe for alot of people too.

For the rest of us, its fine if taken in moderation, ONCE AGAIN a 3% increase in metabolism is hardly life threatening for the average in shape person.
 
Here's a study I found originally posted by Serge.

ECA stack analisys (xenadrene)

The Effect Of Commercial
Thermogenic Weight Loss Supplement On Body Composition And Energy Expenditure In Obese Adults.
JEPonline. 2001;4(2):28-34. The purpose was to determine the effects of an herbal preparation containing ma
huang, bitter orange and guarana on resting energy expenditure (REE), blood chemistries, and body
composition in obese adults. Five males and 15 females (age=31±6.6 yr, height=168.1 ± 8.4 cm,
weight=93.4±17.1 kg, %fat=43.8 ±6.5%) were matched, randomly assigned to either the supplement (N=12) or
placebo (N=8) group, and participated in a 44 d aerobic exercise program (3 d/wk). REE was determined by
open-circuit spirometry, and serum samples were analyzed for glucose, cholesterol, triglycerides, HDL, and
LDL. Changes in body mass (BM), %fat, fat mass (FM), and fat-free mass (FFM) were determined using
DEXA. Due to limited compliance, pre- and post-treatment diet recalls were analyzed for only 14 subjects
(supplement=9, placebo=5). Analysis included doubly MANOVA repeated measures (diet recalls and blood
chemistries) and independent t-tests (REE and body composition) at á<0.05. The only significant difference
was in FM (p=0.033). When a more liberal alpha (á<0.10) is considered, %fat and BM were significant
(p=0.096 and 0.087). The supplement, thus, may result in reductions in FM, %fat and BM, but has little effect
on energy expenditure, diet or blood chemistries following a six-week period of supplementation and training.
Key Words: Cholesterol, Dexa, Energy Expenditure, Ephedrine, Exercise, Glucose, Ma Huang, Triglycerides,
Weight Loss

INTRODUCTION

Obesity is becoming increasingly prevalent in the United States (5). Because it is an established risk factor in
hypertension, non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus, hyperlipidemia, and atherosclerosis, finding effective
Weight Loss Supplement For Obese Adults 29
treatments for this disease is imperative. Obesity is often considered to be the product of inactivity and overeating.
However, simplistic understanding of obesity fails to consider more complex issues of this disease such
as genetics, psychology, and behavior. Obesity may also involve diminished sympathetic nervous system
regulation of thermogenesis (15).
Recent research indicates that ephedrine, a sympathomimetic compound, may have some anti-obesity properties
(1). It has been shown to increase energy expenditure in humans (1, 14) and rhesus monkeys (13). When
combined with caffeine and a restricted diet it may have an even greater effect on improving and maintaining
body composition (3, 6, 13, 16). Daly and co-workers support a strategy of combining low doses of ephedrine,
caffeine, and aspirin for sympathomimetic stimulation of thermogenesis (6). Large doses of ephedrine may,
though, present substantial risk to the patient (2, 4, 7, 8, 9). Reported risks include nephrolithiasis (2),
psychiatric disturbances (9), manic-like symptoms (7), seizures, cardiovascular events, and even death (4).
Thus, low doses of several agents may minimize toxicity (6).
Ephedrine enhances the release of norepinephrine (NE) from the sympathetic nerve terminal. As NE levels
increase, however, the thermogenic response may be limited by the release by the stimulated tissue of adenosine
and prostaglandins (PG), which act as prejunctional inhibitors (6). Caffeine and aspirin may remove these
inhibitions by antagonizing adenosine and phosphodiesterases and inhibiting PG synthesis, respectively, thereby
increasing and sustaining NE activation of the effector cell (6).
Ephedrine may affect appetite. It has been reported to decrease food consumption in obese rhesus monkeys
(13). Daly and associates (6), on the other hand, observed no difference in self-reported appetite between
human subjects taking an ephedrine-caffeine-aspirin combination. Likewise, Pasquali and co-workers (11)
noted a lack of anorectic effect. Neither group, however, reported any statistical analysis.
The purpose of the present study was to examine the effects of one particular commercially available
preparation (Xenadrine RFA-1, Cytodyne Technologies, Lakewood, NJ) containing ma huang, a botanical from
of ephedrine, and guarana extract (caffeine) on body composition, resting energy expenditure, and appetite
while combined with moderate aerobic activity.
Methods

Subjects

Twenty-six subjects (20 females and 6 males) were recruited from the student, staff, and faculty populations at
Eastern Michigan University and the surrounding community by word of mouth, flyers, and advertisements in
the school newspapers. The subjects were matched according to age, gender, height, weight, and body fat and
randomly assigned to receive either the supplement (Suppl, n=13) or a placebo (Placebo, n=13) according to the
dosing sequence below. Among these, six (5 females and 1 male) dropped from the study for various reasons.
The male (Placebo) and one female (Suppl) subject withdrew with concerns over potential side effects. The
others (4 females, Placebo) withdrew for unrelated reasons. Thus, a total of 20 subjects completed the study
(Suppl, n=12; Placebo, n=8). All were apparently healthy, and free of contraindications to exercise as
determined by a self-reported medical history. Informed consent was obtained before participation and the
Eastern Michigan University College of Education Human Subjects Review Committee approved all
procedures. The subject demographics are reported in Table 1, and inclusion/exclusion criteria are listed in
Table 2.
Table 1. Physical Characteristics of Subjects (mean±SD)
Group (N) Age (yr) Height (cm) Body Weight (kg) Fat (%)
Supplement (12) 31.3±7.5 165.9±7.4 91.6±16.1 44.8±4.8
Placebo (8) 30.4±5.4 172.0±8.9 96.1±19.2 42.4±8.5
Combined (20) 31.0±6.6 168.1±8.4 93.4±17.1 43.8±6.5
Weight Loss Supplement For Obese Adults 30
Table 2. Inclusion and Exclusion Criteria
Inclusion criteria:
1) age 18-40 years
2) >20% fat for males and >30% fat for females (as determined using dual-energy x-ray
absorptiometry, DEXA)
3) sedentary to moderately active (aerobic activity <3 d/wk)
4) informed consent
Exclusion criteria:
1) pregnant or desiring to get pregnant
2) lactating
3) orthopedic problems
4) considerable amount of weight loss (>30 lb) during previous three months
5) use of weight loss supplements during previous three months
6) hypertensive (>140/90 mm Hg)
7) history of heart, liver, thyroid, or psychiatric disease, diabetes, anemia, nervousness,
anxiety, depression, seizure disorder, stroke
Treatment
The supplement, Xenadrine RFA-1 (Cytodyne Technologies, Lakewood, NJ) and placebo were of like
characteristics and distribution (Table 3). For the first two days of supplementation the subjects each took one
capsule before breakfast (approximately 8-9 AM) and one capsule before the afternoon meal (approximately 2-3
PM). Thereafter, the number of capsules increased to two for both the AM and PM administrations throughout
the 44-day supplementation period.
Table 3. Ingredient Content of Supplement and Placebo (per two capsule dose)
Supplement (Xenadrine RFA-1, Cytodyne Technologies, Lakewood, NJ):
¨ pantothenic acid (40 mg)
¨ bitter orange (85 mg, standardized for 5 mg synephrine)
¨ ma huang (335 mg, standardized for 20 mg ephedrine)
¨ guarana extract (910 mg, standardized for 200 mg caffeine)
¨ white willow bark extract (105 mg, standardized for 15 mg salicin)
¨ ginger root (50 mg)
¨ proprietary ThermoSynergist Blend (225 mg, contains L-Tyrosine, Acetyl Lcarnitine,
Fisetin, Magnesium Phosphate, DMEA).
Placebo:
¨ cellulose
¨ like supplement in appearance and distribution
Testing
Pre- and post-testing consisted of two sessions each. In the morning of the testing day, the subject reported to
the applied physiology laboratory between 6 and 10 AM. The subject lay supine, quietly, with the eyes closed
on a padded table in a dimly lit, quiet room for 10 to 15 min. After this time they were fitted with a
mouthpiece, expired gases were recorded for 5 min, and daily resting energy expenditure (REE) was determined
from the fifth minute using open-circuit spirometry (Vmax, Sensormedics, Yorba Linda, CA) and is reported
relative to body weight (kcal/kg/d). Heart rate, blood pressure, and single-lead electrocardiogram were
recorded as precautionary measures and were not statistically analyzed.
Following the REE measures, 5 ml of blood was collected by venopuncture of an antecubetal vein or the
dorsum of the hand. Serum was separated and assayed for glucose (GLU), cholesterol (CHOL), triglycerides
Weight Loss Supplement For Obese Adults 31
(TRIG), and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL) by the Clinical Laboratory Sciences Department at
Eastern Michigan University. Low-density lipoprotein cholesterol was calculated using the following equation:
LDL = CHOL – HDL – (TRIG/5).
Body composition was measured during the afternoon session in the DEXA (Prodigy model, Lunar Radiation
Corporation, Madison, WI) laboratory of the Radiology Department at St. Joseph Mercy Hospital in Ypsilanti,
Michigan by trained technicians under the supervision of a physician. This provided data for total body mass
(BM), percent fat (%fat), fat mass (FM), and fat-free mass (FFM). DEXA provides a precise, threecompartment
analysis with a low radiation exposure (10). It is considered to be a viable tool for measuring
body composition (10,12) with precision errors for total body bone mineral density (BMD), %fat, FM, and FFM
less than 0.01 g/cm2, 1.4%, 1.0 kg, and 0.8 kg, respectively (10).
Because the supplement being studied is purported to have a suppressive effect on the appetite, subjects were
asked to record a 3-day dietary recall on a weekly basis. As a result of limited compliance, pre-post data were
available for only 14 subjects (Suppl=9, Placebo=5). These were analyzed for three-day averages of total caloric
intake (KCAL), total protein (PROT), total carbohydrate (CHO), and total fat (FAT) using Nutritional Software
Libraryä (Compnutrition, Chatsworth, CA).
Exercise Training Protocol
The aerobic exercise was conducted on the indoor track at Eastern Michigan University during one of three
monitored sessions (6-9 AM, 11 AM to 1 PM, or 5-7 PM). The first week following pre-testing consisted of
two pre-conditioning walks of 1.5 miles at a comfortable pace (brisk, but not exhaustive). This distance was
increased to 2.0 miles three days per week for the duration of the training and subjects were permitted to build
up to a jog, if desired. If the subject was unable to attend a scheduled session, he/she was encouraged to make
up the session independently. While make-up sessions could not be verified, the researchers did follow-up with
the subject and accepted their word that the session was performed.

Data Analysis

The SPSS 10.0 for Windows statistical package was used for all statistical analyses. Differences pre-to-post in
REE relative to body weight (REE/BM), BM, %fat, FM, and FFM were compared using independent t-tests.
The three-day diet recall data and blood chemistries were analyzed using doubly MANOVA repeated measures
to determine whether there were significant effects for time and group by time for the linear combination of the
dependent variables. The data are reported as mean ± S.D. and Student’s t-tests were used to compare initial
group differences for age, BM, height, and %fat. In addition, effect sizes (d) for the dependent variables were
calculated based upon means and standard
deviations obtained from the pre- and posttreatment
Suppl data (Table 4). Significance
was set at a a-level of 0.05 for all analyses.

RESULTS

Pre-training Data
The mean (±SD) age, height, body weight, and
percent fat were 31.0 ± 7.5 yr, 168.3 ± 8.4 cm,
93.4 ± 17.1 kg, and 43.8 ± 6.5 %, respectively.
Although the Placebo was slightly taller, heavier
and leaner than Suppl (Table 1), the groups did
not differ significantly at the start of the study
(p= 0.769, 0.117, 0.577, and 0.421,
respectively).
REE and Body Composition Measures
The pre- and post-supplementation REE/BM and
body composition data for both groups are
Table 4. Effect Sizes (d) for Dependent Variables
Variable d
REE/BM (resting energy expenditure/body mass) 0.37
BM (body mass) 0.09
%fat (percent body fat) 0.43
FM (fat mass) 0.26
FFM (fat-free mass) 0.12
KCAL (kilocalories) 0.13
CHO (carbohydrates) 0.05
PROT (proteins) 0.25
FAT (fats) 0.26
GLUC (blood glucose) 0.15
CHOL (total cholesterol) 0.48
TRIG (triglycerides) 0.19
HDL (high-density lipoprotein cholesterol) 0.04
LDL (low-density lipoprotein cholesterol) 0.49
Weight Loss Supplement For Obese Adults 32
shown in Table 5. Independent t-tests revealed that the only significant difference between groups at a < 0.05
was FM (P = 0.688, 0.087, 0.096, 0.033, 0.554 for REE/BM, BM, %fat, FM, FFM, respectively).
Table 5. Mean Energy Expenditure and Body Composition Measures (±SD)
REE/BM
(kcal/kg/d)
%Fat (%)§ BM (kg) § FM (kg)* FFM (kg) Variable
pre post pre post pre post pre post pre post
SUPPL
(N = 12)
17.77
(2.86)
19.22
(4.97)
44.82
(4.81)
42.47
(6.21)
91.63
(16.13)
90.18
(16.33)
41.22
(9.33)
38.65
(10.67)
47.66
(8.71)
48.74
(8.55)
PLACEBO
(N = 8)
18.00
(2.70)
18.35
(2.71)
42.38
(8.53)
41.76
(8.43)
96.14
(19.20)
96.36
(20.85)
41.09
(13.59)
40.60
(14.09)
51.89
(11.25)
52.56
(11.91)
* P £ 0.05 ; § P £ 0.10

Diet Analysis

The pre- and post-supplementation diet recall data for both groups are shown in Table 6. Using MANOVA,
there was no significant change in the subjects’ diets over the supplementation period (P = 0.129), nor was there
a significant difference between groups for KCAL, PROT, CHO, and FAT combined (p=0.622).
Table 6. Mean Dietary Intakes (±SD)
KCAL PROT (g) CHO (g) FAT (g) Variable
pre post pre post pre post pre post
SUPPL
(N=9)
2251.00
(1107.50)
2140.00
(618.51)
98.24
(44.64)
88.71
(30.35)
278.21
(137.40)
272.47
(115.10)
81.89
(48.25)
72.00
(26.56)
PLACEBO
(N=5)
2440.20
(587.58)
2134.80
(764.12)
87.04
(26.52)
74.08
(10.18)
311.18
(73.59)
315.54
(134.33)
97.60
(33.19)
66.14
(43.36)

Blood Chemistries

The pre- and post-supplementation blood chemistry data for both groups are shown in Table 7. Using
MANOVA, there was no significant change in the subjects’ blood chemistries over the supplementation period
(p=0.094), and there was no significant difference between groups for GLUC, CHOL, TRIG, HDL, and LDL
combined (p=0.775).
Table 7. Mean Blood Chemistry Measures (±SD)
GLUC (mg/dl) CHOL (mg/dl) TRIG (mg/dl) HDL (mg/dl) LDL (mg/dl) Variable
pre post pre post pre post pre post pre post
SUPPL
(N=12)
85.17
(11.18)
87.33
(16.85)
181.50
(20.86)
170.67
(24.67)
121.42
(62.67)
136.67
(100.65)
35.92
(8.12)
35.58
(7.29)
121.83
(25.70)
107.67
(32.06)
PLACEBO
(N=8)
79.75
(7.23)
87.12
(4.61)
166.38
(20.20)
159.88
(23.50)
81.75
(55.43)
96.25
(68.65)
40.12
(8.25)
35.62
(6.07)
110.62
(17.28)
105.00
(17.21)
DISCUSSION
The present study was initiated to ascertain whether six weeks of supplementation of a commercially available
thermogenic weight loss supplement (Xenadrine RFA-1) would affect body composition, appetite, and resting
energy expenditure in obese men and women. Previous research has indicated that botanical ephedrine (ma
huang) increases resting energy expenditure in obese rhesus monkeys (13) and humans (1,12). Likewise,
ephedrine is reported to facilitate weight loss in obese rhesus monkeys (13). When combined with caffeine the
effects appear to be magnified (16). The addition of aspirin has also been proposed (6).

The supplement, Xenadrine RFA-1, is standardized to doses of 20 mg of botanical ephedrine (ma huang) and
200 mg of caffeine (guarana extract) per 2 capsule dose. According Gurley et al. (8), the pharmacokinetics of
botanical ephedrine are similar to those of synthetic ephedrine. Thus, the content of ma huang contained within
Weight Loss Supplement For Obese Adults 33
the product tested is consistent with the treatments used in the reviewed studies. When the effect ephedrine
alone in human subjects was examined, doses were 10, 20, and 40 mg (1), 25 and 50 mg (11), or 50 mg three
times a day (14). Combined doses of ephedrine and caffeine were 20 mg and 200 mg (16). Unlike the previous
research, Xenadrine RFA-1 contains an additional sympathomimetic agent, bitter orange (standardized for 5 mg
synephrine).

It was expected that the ingested dosage would promote changes in body composition. The only change of
statistical significance was FM (p=0.033). There was, however, a modest decrease in BM and %fat for subjects
taking the supplement (p=0.087 and 0.096, respectively). This is comparable to Daly and associates (6), who
reported a significantly greater mean cumulative weight loss in subjects taking an ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin
combination (-1.8 kg vs 0.5 kg). These changes may have been offset by variable increases in FFM (-2.38 kg to
+4.03 kg). All but four subjects lost fat mass (1 Suppl and 3 Placebo), whereas only 12 subjects gained lean
mass (7 Suppl and 5 Placebo or 58.3% and 62.5%, respectively). Hence, while the supplement may promote fat
loss, its effect on lean mass is equivocal.
That resting energy expenditure relative to body weight did not increase during the supplementation period may
not be inconsistent with previous research. While Shannon and co-workers (14) observed an increase in mean
24-hr energy expenditure, but not in basal metabolic rate determined between 6:30 and 7:30. This measure was
recorded approximately 11-12 h following the last dose of ephedrine. In the present study, postsupplementation
resting energy expenditure was determined after a much longer period. Subjects ingested their
final dose in the afternoon prior to the testing session, which was scheduled between 6:00 and 10:30. This may
have been sufficient time for the effects of the supplement to diminish.

It must also be considered that the method used to measure REE is not without limitations. Breathing through a
mouthpiece allows for only a brief sample of expired gases while the subject is awake, but relaxed.
Additionally, such an apparatus may affect sympathetic activity (14). Ideally, a metabolic chamber should be
used for extended sampling.

Analysis of serum glucose, cholesterol, triglycerides, HDL cholesterol, and LDL cholesterol revealed no effect
of supplementation. This is consistent with the results reported by Daly and associates (6). These researchers
observed no change in glucose, insulin, cholesterol, and HDL cholesterol after 8 wk supplementation of an
ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin mixture. While there seems to be no benefit on these components of the blood, it
may be noted that there were no negative effects observed in the blood.

Diet analysis also failed to indicate any effect of intake of energy, protein, carbohydrate, or fat. This is
consistent with Daly et al. (6) who also observed no significant differences in self-reported appetite.
Compliance was an issue, however. Of the 20 subjects studied, only 7 completed all of the requested recalls.
Only the pre- and post-supplementation recalls were analyzed (N = 14) in order to maximize the observed
power.
Another consideration regarding the failure to observe changes in appetite is that recall of food consumed may
not be a sufficient measure of hunger in obesity. Obesity involves complex psychological factors, as well as
physiological and behavioral factors. At the conclusion of the study, one subject expressed awareness of a
pattern of disordered eating. Differing schedules may affect how much was eaten from day to day and subject
to subject. The quantity of food eaten may also be linked to habit or emotional need rather than physical need.
Therefore, a different approach to measuring appetite should be considered.

Side Effects

While side effects were not measured directly, close attention was paid to any adverse affect of the
supplementation. Of the subjects who started on the supplement, only two noted any discomfort. One (female)
reported heightened anxiousness and elevated heart rate during the first few days of the study. These symptoms
Weight Loss Supplement For Obese Adults 34
soon passed and the subject continued unaffected. One subject, however, did excuse herself from the study
because she was uncomfortable with the elevated heart rate and feeling of “warmed blood.” Such reactions to
products such as the one tested are not uncommon. Previous researchers have reported side effects such as dry
mouth, jitters, and constipation (1, 6, 11, 16), headache and insomnia (11, 16) in a few subjects while others
have reported more severe side effects such as vomiting, abdominal pain, and tremor (3) nephrolithiasis (2),
psychological disorders (7, 9), seizures, cardiovascular events, and death (4). Of the studies reviewed, however,
only Cupps (4), Gurley et al. (8), and Jacobs and Hirsch (9) speak to herbal ephedrine (ma huang). In most
cases, the symptoms are mild and reported to disappear within a month. Gurley and co-workers (8) suggest that
severe cases of ma huang toxicity tend to be associated with abuse of the supplement. Therefore, close attention
to the manufacturers precautions and to unusual symptoms should be stressed.

Statistical Power

Effect sizes for the dependent variables (Table 4) are small-to-moderate (0.09 to 0.49). Hence, the ability to
detect real differences is limited by a small sample size. The ability to detect changes in REE/BM, %fat, and
FM, in particular, may have suffered. Given these effect sizes (d = 0.37, 0.43, and 0.26, respectively), a sample
size in excess of 90 subjects per group is required to obtain power of at least 0.80 (17). In addition, tighter
controls over diet analysis and the measurement of appetite is necessary.

Suggestions for Future Research
While this study may indicate some positive effect of ephedrine/caffeine supplementation on body weight and
percentage fat, further research is needed to more clearly examine the safety and efficacy a thermogenic weight
loss supplement such as the one studied. A longer training period may be necessary. Toubro and co-workers
(16) observed a significant weight loss in subjects treated with ephedrine plus caffeine only after eight weeks.
As well, more precise measurement of energy expenditure over a longer period of time is recommended. Diet
recall should be more tightly overseen and some measure of appetite level should be included.

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I can't believe some of the crap people are shoveling on here.

If we were discussing methamphetamine I think people would be a little more honest with themselves. Instead of making ignorant blanket statements about how safe it is.
 
Darkside, what in the hell are you trying to prove here? Your the only person on this thread who buys in to this bullshit in case you haven't noticed. The people who died of ephedra are completely dwarfed by even tylenol, are they gonna take that off the shelf? Were getting our freedoms stripped out from under us and all you can do is sit here and defend the very people who are doing it. Then your gonna say "What are ya gonna do?" Unbeleivable.
 
Watson....

I never said anything like that. The point im trying to get across for the 1,000,000th time is that 1. People need to do more research where the research is backed by science 2. Any idiot can post any bullshit opinions they might have on this board 3. Ephedra may or may not be a good idea. Instead of everybody trying to say this is good or this is bad or whatever why don't they look into long term effects anymore. Sure short term you may not see too many side effects but it does not rule out the fact of long term usage and i've yet to see a credible study that proves this. Until then i am skeptical about what i put into my body. Yea i'm not saying A.S. is a good idea just understand the side effects and what comes along with usage then make your damn decision. Too many peeps want a quick fix and truth is there's no such thing as a magic pill!!! Not to mention its not a bad idea to debate diff. supps. and drugs on this board since you can't be sure of the total effects of Ephedra if scientists haven't already. Sure you can theroize but that's your opinion. Also i am very much against what the govt. is doing to people's rights i wasn't born yesterday!!! You seem to have similar views about the govt. just like me but what do u do about it....i vote!!! Do u??? That's the only way to change this kurrupt system although the candidates are shit to begin with. If u cared so much about your rights you would start your own group for peeps with simliar interests like those damn liberal protestors. I.M.O they should be thrown out of our country for lack of patronism!!! America...Love it or leave it!!! And by the way i am a Libertarian i.e. i want the govt. to stay the fuck out my biz!!! ~JT~
 
for all the dumbfucks who think efedrine is THAT bad for you...

lick nuts!
 
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