EO is strong oil

[lifthard2005]

bros, i had an empty 30ml plastic vial from bac. water in. emptied it out and put some test, tren, mast, and eq, all in EO, in the 30 ml vial mixed. well the inside of the vial began to dissolve and made the vial extremely cloudy. i ended up tossing out about 25ml of gear. hard lesson learned.

 

[solidspine]

That sucks, I just did the same thing with deca, but the plastic vials seems okay.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

bros, i had an empty 30ml plastic vial from bac. water in. emptied it out and put some test, tren, mast, and eq, all in EO, in the 30 ml vial mixed. well the inside of the vial began to dissolve and made the vial extremely cloudy. i ended up tossing out about 25ml of gear. hard lesson learned.

I heard people talk about the rubber stopper being affected but this
is a new one ,sounds like a good blend bad luck mate.
Brad.

 

[caliboy]

bros, i had an empty 30ml plastic vial from bac. water in. emptied it out and put some test, tren, mast, and eq, all in EO, in the 30 ml vial mixed. well the inside of the vial began to dissolve and made the vial extremely cloudy. i ended up tossing out about 25ml of gear. hard lesson learned.

There are 2 grades of eo apperntly. One is much cheaper and seems to have something that is pretty rough on plastics.

Thats pretty nasty it was eating ur container that way.

 

[georgie24]

it needs to ne stored in GLASS media bottles

 

[used2juice]

There are 2 grades of eo apperntly. One is much cheaper and seems to have something that is pretty rough on plastics.

Thats pretty nasty it was eating ur container that way.

EO can eat a plastic container, REGARDLESS of whether it's technical grade or USP grade.

 

[chazk]

EO can eat a plastic container, REGARDLESS of whether it's technical grade or USP grade.

imagine what its doing to a injection site?

 

[H_T_]

imagine what its doing to a injection site?

you know, that's wtf i'm saying....i'll throw out a bottle with shit left in it if i see those little rubber chunks from drawing too many times....

 

[TRYNGETBIG32]

just recieved some cyp made with e/o. is it always more clear than the other oil? and what is the benefit of using e/o?

 

[CASS]

e/o allows for a smooth painless injection. my gear has had e/o for sometime love it

 

[chazk]

e/o allows for a smooth painless injection. my gear has had e/o for sometime love it

I have never had a injecting using human grade that was painful.
Upjohn ,sherich, organon.norma hella

why cant ug labs not use EO like the human grade labs do and get a smooth painless injection?
what are they doing different that they need EO for?

 

[blut wump]

Short esters in high concentrations or, even, high concentrations in general require more aggresive solvents. Typical pharma-gear is low-dosed.

Prop can be dissolved in oil at 25 to 50 mg per ml. but can you imagine a UG lab offering it in those concentrations? You can get to 100mg/ml with little effort just by bumping the BA and BB but then it starts to get painful. Once you start lusting for 150 to 200mg/ml even BA/BB gets difficult and will leave a painful injection in even the hardiest juicer.

I've seen test blends up around 550-600mg/ml. These will definitely not hold in straight oil at room temperatures and no pharma company is even going to consider those amounts.

EO usually comes in a glass bottle with a butyl rubber stopper. Store your gear in a similar or better environment and don't preload syringes with EO gear. The synthetic rubber on the plunger will be affected.

 

[chazk]

Short esters in high concentrations or, even, high concentrations in general require more aggresive solvents. Typical pharma-gear is low-dosed.

Prop can be dissolved in oil at 25 to 50 mg per ml. but can you imagine a UG lab offering it in those concentrations? You can get to 100mg/ml with little effort just by bumping the BA and BB but then it starts to get painful. Once you start lusting for 150 to 200mg/ml even BA/BB gets difficult and will leave a painful injection in even the hardiest juicer.

I've seen test blends up around 550-600mg/ml. These will definitely not hold in straight oil at room temperatures and no pharma company is even going to consider those amounts.

EO usually comes in a glass bottle with a butyl rubber stopper. Store your gear in a similar or better environment and don't preload syringes with EO gear. The synthetic rubber on the plunger will be affected.

good point human grade is 250mg max and thats test enath or cyp in amps.
once the ba/bb gets to high guys get weird actions i have used test 500 Ug labs and it was a painfull cycle plus gave me cough and a weird felling of nuasia after each injection. so bad I ended up using just half a cc with other gear mixed in the syringe.

so blunt its just seems to be the E0 allows a higher concentration of gear per cc.

what are the draw backs to using EO and higher ba/bb to get these high combinations one lab has a eq 700mg a deca 600mg and a test 550.
isnt that a bit much eo or solvents that might have negative reaction in the human body?

 

[blut wump]

I know that a combined 20% of BA/BB is fairly common amongst homebrewers who post up on chat boards. Quadsweep here says he uses 20% BB with 2% BA. Drrman gave me initial guidleines so I've also used 18/2 with no feelings of irritation. Organon uses 10%BA in their yellow-top Deca according to their brochure.

Basically, I don't know what effect the solvents have on the body other than that many are using around 20% without any gripes. Also, the yellow-tops are only 100mg/ml so you end up shooting a fair amount of BA with those since you shoot more volume than a UG Deca.

Virormone used EO in their prop so I have to assume that EO went through the usual rigorous testing for medicinal use. It is reputed to have some analgesic properties to reduce pain besides improving solubility. It also thins out your gear so that you can shoot it through a smaller needle. Most EO gear will go through a 27g and many through a slin pin, although you'll have to back-fill it.

The main problem with super-high concentrations, from what I've read, is that some of the solvents, BA in particular, get swept away in body fluids leaving inadequate solvent in depot to hold the gear in solution. The gear crashes out and leaves you with tiny crystals in the muscle which irritate and hurt.

If you want a high-dose cycle, it seems to be a trade-off between getting injection pain, which you know is only temporary, and having to inject large volumes with the risk of getting a sterile abcess. Everyone has to find their own happy medium based on their own pain tolerance.

 

[H_T_]

i've only ever had issues with prop. i'm not going out of my way to avoid a lil bit of pain. thas what aspirin is for. the shit isn't cheap, either. not as cheap as Wesson oil....

 

[Vascular Freak]

i can attest to high concentrated gear with eo.....prop/tren ace/mast prop 100/75/100 mg per ml.....it was like liquid whoopass....just BRUTAL

 

[SLAYER69!]

Short esters in high concentrations or, even, high concentrations in general require more aggresive solvents. Typical pharma-gear is low-dosed.

Prop can be dissolved in oil at 25 to 50 mg per ml. but can you imagine a UG lab offering it in those concentrations? You can get to 100mg/ml with little effort just by bumping the BA and BB but then it starts to get painful. Once you start lusting for 150 to 200mg/ml even BA/BB gets difficult and will leave a painful injection in even the hardiest juicer.

I've seen test blends up around 550-600mg/ml. These will definitely not hold in straight oil at room temperatures and no pharma company is even going to consider those amounts.

EO usually comes in a glass bottle with a butyl rubber stopper. Store your gear in a similar or better environment and don't preload syringes with EO gear. The synthetic rubber on the plunger will be affected.

How do you know the stopper in your bottle is butyl rubber? other than trusting your source to use the right thing.

 

[advanced-stealth]

Less pain .

just recieved some cyp made with e/o. is it always more clear than the other oil? and what is the benefit of using e/o?

 

[shape]

what does EO stand for????

 

[blut wump]

How do you know the stopper in your bottle is butyl rubber? other than trusting your source to use the right thing.

Butyl rubber is the typical stopper in a vial. If it looks or feels odd then you might be best to transfer it out. Actual rubber would be bad news. I also imagine that a source would need to make an effort to find rubber stoppers for vials that weren't butyl rubber.

what does EO stand for????

EO - Ethyl Oleate
BA - Benzyl Alcohol
BB - Benzyl Benzoate

They are each solvents and anti-microbial agents. BA at 1% concentration should be sufficient to keep a solution sterile. Most view that as the bare minimum and prefer to use more. I think BAC water has 0.9% BA conc. but you might want to look it up.

 

[SLAYER69!]

Butyl rubber is the typical stopper in a vial. If it looks or feels odd then you might be best to transfer it out. Actual rubber would be bad news. I also imagine that a source would need to make an effort to find rubber stoppers for vials that weren't butyl rubber.

EO - Ethyl Oleate
BA - Benzyl Alcohol
BB - Benzyl Benzoate

Great. thanks bro.

 

[lifthard2005]

what does EO stand for????

Ethyl Oleate

 

[wellbilt]

imagine what its doing to a injection site?

what is it doing to the injection site is a dam good question
is eo more damaging to the injection site
anyone have any thoughts

 

[blut wump]

Just what I wrote above: EO is used in pharma-grade prop.

As such, it must have gone through testing for human use. Obviously, that's no absolute guarantee of safety but it's a huge confidence booster.

 

[chazk]

Just what I wrote above: EO is used in pharma-grade prop.

As such, it must have gone through testing for human use. Obviously, that's no absolute guarantee of safety but it's a huge confidence booster.

but is that human grade prop is stored in glass amps and not 10cc rubber stopper vials correct

so maybe they know it can eat up rubber and only use the amps?
looked on like can find the testopin in both 2 ml vials with stopper and 1 ml glass amp

would the glass amp be the best choice?

 

[blut wump]

How can you win? If you go for the glass amps then you have microscopic shards of glass to deal with unless you use a filter-needle. If you go with the vial then you have the concerns about degradation of the stopper.

I think that if the stopper looks and feels intact and you don't draw up any particles then it's probably surviving the EO. If you have only 2ml vials then you could open one up after you've drawn out the oil and give it a good old prod with your thumbnail. That should tell you whether it's holding up. Just a thought.

I had a quick look on Google and the best I could come up wioth was this:
http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/d...ual2002/DATA/2002/13ANNUAL/EXTENDED/43660.pdf

They stored various fluids in vials sealed with butyl rubber stoppers. Using EO as a control, they were more concerned with the degradiation of the fluids than of the stopper. Scanning through it, I have the impression that they had no concerns about the butyl rubber breaking down.

 

[tonyroma]

lotta homebrewers up in this bitch