Ehh..how can the fat/protein be moved??

[BIGbouncer]

When you're in ketosis your body get a minimum of carbs. And the carbs is what regulates the insulin, so how can the muscles get the protein, and how can the fat be moved to the muscles to get used as energy when you don't have any insulin there. One answer could be that the protein get converted into glycogen and then converted into glycagon and so the insulin level increase. But, I guess you guys have the right answer, right?

Thx!

 

[Mr.X]

When you're in ketosis your body get a minimum of carbs. And the carbs is what regulates the insulin, so how can the muscles get the protein, and how can the fat be moved to the muscles to get used as energy when you don't have any insulin there. One answer could be that the protein get converted into glycogen and then converted into glycagon and so the insulin level increase. But, I guess you guys have the right answer, right?

Thx!

1) Insulin is not needed for the muscle to get protein, no insulin transport if required.
2) Fat does not "move" into the muscle to provide energy
3) Ketones get used for energy, and very efficiently for that matter.
4) Yes, you have the right idea. Although, Ketones are protein sparing and T4-T3 conversion is lowered in Ketosis, in turn, muscle is spared and Ketones or dietary fats are used. Yet, if this is done for a long period of time with intense training and no carb up then, in fact, muscle can be broken down. I.E. protein breakdown into glucose. This is why Atkins, is not a feasible idea for a bodybuilding that trains. Hence, the creation of CKD. With CKD, the carb-up refills muscle glycogen, and let's you train to the least of the intesive triaining during the week, while in Ketosis. Then having the carb-up on the weekend replenishes the glycogen stores lost during the week.

Mr.X

 

[BIGbouncer]

Ok, thanks for your answer. But how can the protein be brought into the muscles without insulin. Can the aminoacids just "wander" to the muscles themselves? If so, why is high GI carbs needed post workout? To get in an anabolic phase(fill up the glycogendepoes) or because the muscles get protein much faster because of an increased insulin level, or maybe both?

And what do you mean fat does not "move" into the muscles to get used as energy? Almost all nourishment must go to the muscles(except the surplus that get stored as fat) were it get burned together with oxygen when the muscle move(energy)...

That's what I've read/heard though.

 

[mranderson]

thats why it is better to go low carb not no carb. Your results for fat burning will be just as good low carb just dont over do it while cutting

 

[mranderson]

thats why it is better to go low carb not no carb. Your results for fat burning will be just as good low carb just dont over do it while cutting

 

[latinhire]

Thank you for the information Mr. X...as always it helps map the road....

 

[IGoRyEk69]

Let's say my carb up day is sunday, right? Monday morning I'm not in ketosis and I wont be until probably wednsday night. How am I gonna be in ketosis for 6 days when I have from wednsday night till sunday morning??? Can someone give a good explanation how it all works and I just dont want to use insulin to get into ketosis quick.

 

[cytrix]

you are right, you will not be in ketosis for six days on a CKD, because it takes a couple of days to re-enter ketosis. that's why i prefer a TKD, where you eat the same ketogenic diet every day, for as long as you're on it and only take in carbs 30 min. before your workout
(5g dextrose for every 2 sets performed). that way you spend every day in ketosis, because you will burn off all carbs during your workout, and ketosis will be re-established within a couple of hours.