Does the US get free oil from Irag or a discounted price?

[mountain muscle]

Thats exactly right.. Mobil oil claims it has spent some 3 billion dollars on alternative energy however nothing has ever come to light.. The simple fact is that the oil companies own the congressmen... The largest contributors to the presidential campaign were oil companies.. Lets face it , Exxon made a gross profit in 2006 of 35 billion dollars.. Money talks bs walks.. they will never find an alternative when the profit margin is this high...

That is exactly wrong. I suppose the fact that a new refinery hasn't been built in the USA since 1979 is the oil company's fault as well?

Alternative energy? The oil company's aren't the ones vehemently opposing nuclear power. It would actually benefit them and make more efficient refineries.

The environmentalists have a large responsibility for the current energy crisis.

You can't cut off someone's arms then blaim them for not being able to lift you up.

 

[Spartacus]

a better question is why dont wehave more efficient alternative fuel sources or more efficient vehicles with alternative power sources?

Because the oil companies run Washington!

I like my horsepower
when I'm about 60 I'll get a hybrid
maybe

 

[army_stud]

a better question is why dont wehave more efficient alternative fuel sources or more efficient vehicles with alternative power sources?

Because the oil companies run Washington!

Is that why Bush signed a bill to help ethanol companies build research facilities? Made my Pacific Ethanol stock shoot up!

A typical quote by another liberal moron...

"Oil companies run washington"
"We went to war for oil"
"Cheney and halliburton"
"Bush stole the elections"
"Right Wing conspiracies"
"Bin Laden is the real threat"


Anyone else want to throw some in? Spartacus? Mountain Muscle? bwl?

 

[redsamurai]

dude, stop with the liberal shit ok..........the moral of the story is that these things should have been done DECADES ago because the people you call "eliteists" and "liberal whiners", aka the smart people, have been saying for decades that we need to be funding research for alternative energy because oil in not infinite. Now as for the politicians, democrat or conservative they all sucked off the balls of big oil. Big oil isn't stupid..........they didn't put all their eggs in one basket, they funded campaigns from both parties. So Bush finally signing some bill after the free market here realizes that it's about to get left behind by the rest of the world............does not impress me. Big oil conned the U.S into building it's infrastructure around a resource that was promised to be limitless. Any society that does this and subsequently collapses because someone in some god forsaken shithole turns off the spigot..............well........it's a well deserved collapse. Maybe that's what we need for a "true" free market to emerge instead of the corporate hegemony that exists today where government harrasses and overregulates competitors to whomevers giving them the most money..............that's not capitalism and don't nobody argue with me on that point.

Is that why Bush signed a bill to help ethanol companies build research facilities? Made my Pacific Ethanol stock shoot up!

A typical quote by another liberal moron...

"Oil companies run washington"
"We went to war for oil"
"Cheney and halliburton"
"Bush stole the elections"
"Right Wing conspiracies"
"Bin Laden is the real threat"


Anyone else want to throw some in? Spartacus? Mountain Muscle? bwl?

 

[Spartacus]

when the time comes "big oil" will have the other energy sources for us
we aren't getting "left behind" etc.

 

[redsamurai]

when the time comes "big oil" will have the other energy sources for us
we aren't getting "left behind" etc.

doesn't it grate on your nerves that had the energy solution been "truly" left to the free market we might have been able to abdicate ourselves from the middle east maybe 10-20 years ago?? Big oil threw it's money around washington to make sure new technologies emerging that could have "possibly" brought us a new energy solution were properly regulated to death by Uncle Sam. All the big 3 automakers had engines sitting on shelves that had they been able to fully test in the market..........might have led to diverse energy sources. Wonder why they did that? hmmmmmmmm................detroit and big oil seem to be quite comfortable with each other. You can directly thank the japanese for finally giving detroit the impetus to put their foot down and develop higher gas mileage vehicles, otherwise there would be no american automaker today. And there still might not be in 10-15 years.

 

[Spartacus]

doesn't it grate on your nerves that had the energy solution been "truly" left to the free market we might have been able to abdicate ourselves from the middle east maybe 10-20 years ago?? Big oil threw it's money around washington to make sure new technologies emerging that could have "possibly" brought us a new energy solution were properly regulated to death by Uncle Sam. All the big 3 automakers had engines sitting on shelves that had they been able to fully test in the market..........might have led to diverse energy sources. Wonder why they did that? hmmmmmmmm................detroit and big oil seem to be quite comfortable with each other. You can directly thank the japanese for finally giving detroit the impetus to put their foot down and develop higher gas mileage vehicles, otherwise there would be no american automaker today. And there still might not be in 10-15 years.

perhaps,
but also too changing the habits and expectations of the american public is likely more problematic
hence, the tonque in cheek comment I made above

what makes more sense and likely will be what happens is a gradual switch to alternative fuels and the introduction of the vehicles that can use them

toyota isn't big oil or even an american company and they sure are taking their casual time bringing the hybrids to market
not to mention they're priced at such a premium that any fuel cost savings are "lost"

so wag your finger at toyota,nissan and honda et.al.

and has been mentioned we could have a much greater nuclear powered infrastructure at this time but for...

 

[redsamurai]

toyota taking it's sweet time with hybrids?? They're coming out left and right with em, now in SUV's too. You have to understand the japanese engineering process...........they come up with innovation, or copy someone else............than they methodically go to work improving it every year, however imperceptible that improvement may be. What I'm waiting for is the turbine electrics!! Turbines are awesome at efficiently generating power.........they're almost 90% on the carnot efficiency scale if I remember correctly. So couple that with electric motors and you might have something. Trains nowadays are all diesel electrics...........so it's nothing earth shatteringly new.

perhaps,
but also too changing the habits and expectations of the american public is likely more problematic
hence, the tonque in cheek comment I made above

what makes more sense and likely will be what happens is a gradual switch to alternative fuels and the introduction of the vehicles that can use them

toyota isn't big oil or even an american company and they sure are taking their casual time bringing the hybrids to market
not to mention they're priced at such a premium that any fuel cost savings are "lost"

so wag your finger at toyota,nissan and honda et.al.

and has been mentioned we could have a much greater nuclear powered infrastructure at this time but for...

 

[Spartacus]

toyota taking it's sweet time with hybrids?? They're coming out left and right with em, now in SUV's too. You have to understand the japanese engineering process...........they come up with innovation, or copy someone else............than they methodically go to work improving it every year, however imperceptible that improvement may be. What I'm waiting for is the turbine electrics!! Turbines are awesome at efficiently generating power.........they're almost 90% on the carnot efficiency scale if I remember correctly. So couple that with electric motors and you might have something. Trains nowadays are all diesel electrics...........so it's nothing earth shatteringly new.

toyota is expecting to pass the 10million vehicles sold/year mark in 2008
what percentage are hybrids?
I'll look it up in a moment but I bet it's less than half of 1%
hybrids aren't profitable enough
otherwise toyota would have been all over it sooner

people like and want their horsepower and the bigger vehicles

especially those of us in western industrialized economies

I've also read about some battery technology that's superior
I made a thread about it a while back

 

[5150guy]

dude, stop with the liberal shit ok..........the moral of the story is that these things should have been done DECADES ago because the people you call "eliteists" and "liberal whiners", aka the smart people, have been saying for decades that we need to be funding research for alternative energy because oil in not infinite. Now as for the politicians, democrat or conservative they all sucked off the balls of big oil. Big oil isn't stupid..........they didn't put all their eggs in one basket, they funded campaigns from both parties. So Bush finally signing some bill after the free market here realizes that it's about to get left behind by the rest of the world............does not impress me. Big oil conned the U.S into building it's infrastructure around a resource that was promised to be limitless. Any society that does this and subsequently collapses because someone in some god forsaken shithole turns off the spigot..............well........it's a well deserved collapse. Maybe that's what we need for a "true" free market to emerge instead of the corporate hegemony that exists today where government harrasses and overregulates competitors to whomevers giving them the most money..............that's not capitalism and don't nobody argue with me on that point.

So what role does the defacto monopoly otherwise called OPEC play in this?

How does OPEC contribute to anything resembling a free market economy?