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does fina change your body structure?
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Nighthawkk
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What do you mean by "physical structure"? I think the only thing that can be physically manipulated is mainly muscle/fat composition with AAS (not including the internal changes), unless you are using GH. I do agree that fina drastically changes body appearance for the better though, as I have been on 75mg ED for almost 3 weeks and definitely see more hardness/vascularity.
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I've never found tren to yield exceptional fat loss benefits, however I do a LITTLE leaner when on it. I should have stayed on the tren for my avatar pic, instead of just being on winny. Anywho, what does your delt routine look like? Your delts are fantastic.
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biogeared, I've made the same observation. Everyone screams about the side effects, and my reply is, "what side effects?!" You sweat a little at night while sleeping and it take a little longer to have an orgasim during sex. Oh the horror....
juicedbeachbum
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It does have a positive effect on IGF and PGF levels in the muscle, but i doubt you would notice huge body structure changes - I didn't - just a lot of hardness and a little leaner. And lots of strength
BodyByFinaplix said:
lol. i know exactly how you feel.
all in all its overated. still worth while.
and to be honest, i wanted to 'feel the side-effects' that everyone talks about, and i went as high as 150mg/day for a couple weeks cause i wanted to feel the sides. they don't really even start to hit me until i hit 100mg/day.
i actually found that if i work my way up to a higher dose, the sides are way easier, then if i go straight to it.
BTW, i do not recomend anyone use a gram of tren, i was stupid to do it.
AAP said:
I think the effects are drastically overstated. First, you have to look at what group makes up a good portion of Fina users. They tend to be inexperienced guys on their first or second cycle who are excited about what they think is gonna happen. It's a placebo effect in some respects. You're not gonna see somebody like AAP reporting a night/day change in their physique after a Fina cycle. It's a good drug for sure but all this talk about dramatically changing people's bodies is bunk. I've used Fina and the original Finaject by Roussel. I like it and i'll use it again but some of these guys you could inject straight sesame oil into them and they'd rave about good (not great) gains.
powerhouse 48
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it cannot change "body structure" but it definately changes body composition, it changed my state of mind more than naything else though, ha...
griznuts2004
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Yeah, makes me wanna go postal. This is my first time using it and I am very easily aggitated now... I am usually REALLY laid back.
Nighthawkk
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AAP said:
No, I haven't drastically altered my diet, but I've dropped cals slightly since I'm nearing the end of my cycle (Enan/Deca/Dbol, ending with Tren/Winny/Prop). I don't do any cardio. I wouldn't fully attribute my hard and vascular look to the tren however....it's probably a result of the water weight dropping as the enanth tapers off, and also the fact that tren works synergistically with winny. And yes, I would that your body composition can easily change with tren, though most of the change is due to the diet/training already in place.
leemachine07
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BBF, first of all your avatar pic is old as fuck. Second of all, whatever you take isnt working cuz u look like pretty bad... it amazes me how much people forget what the NATURAL body can do when fed and worked correctly..
leemachine07
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AAP, I admire your work.. I also cant answer your question cuz I am still natural.. You have to remember that not everyone is gifted as far as genetics.. when i read that somebody had great results from something, it doesnt mean much to me.. Sure someone with 15% bf that drops to 10% after whatever cycle, sure thats great. But dont let those type convince u that its worth it..
BodyByFinaplix said:
Actually, my delts are 90% result of 8+ years competitive swimming. My back too. Though in my avatar, that is recently (this week) and I didn't work back from Jan 03-Feb 04. So I really need to pile the mass back on it too.
But training wise, I believe in presses. Lots of presses. Not as much as weight, but quality contractions. And I do more laterals than most people. Some just throw in 3 sets for side delts, but I can take them up to about 6-7 sets for side delts, another 6-7 sets for rear delts and still have presses thrown in. For side delts, one workout I will do all my sets 6-8 of just standing side laterals with dumbells. Next workout, I will use medium grip upright rows to hit the side delts for 3-4 sets and then (my favorite) 3-4 sets of laying (incline) side laterals. You will not believe the pull they give you at the start and the way they cap you out mass wise at the tie in.
Nighthawkk
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AAP: are you stacking anything else with the cyp/tren? How long are you running it?
Slyder190
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Big strength gains, not too bad on sleep with Unisom, and made me vascular (more pronounced I would say) even with 35' waist and 500 cal a day.
Bad points are mad night sweats (get ready to wash your sheets often) and a hard crash afterwords. No mental changes on mood or anything, except being ready to REALLY tear shit up in the gym and a bit more confidence.
Bad points are mad night sweats (get ready to wash your sheets often) and a hard crash afterwords. No mental changes on mood or anything, except being ready to REALLY tear shit up in the gym and a bit more confidence.
It may be early for me to notice, but on day 10 of tren/winny/prop I have noticed night sweats a bit, I just crack the window open and cool off the room for it. My aggression shot up early but I would attribute that more to placebo effect. <Me acting like an ass because I expected it. Confidence and motivation in the gym and work is up though and strength starting to climb. Still may just be placebo effect but hell Results are coming either way.
There is a wrestler at the local college here I know and he used it in conjuction with a one meal a day diet (maybe 100 g of protein/day) and lost fat and weight AND got much stronger...
It did a pretty radical transformation on him...
I am afraid of its strength myself...I think it holds some potential for long term problems form using it....(it has FAR more side effects in its users than anything else...)
It did a pretty radical transformation on him...
I am afraid of its strength myself...I think it holds some potential for long term problems form using it....(it has FAR more side effects in its users than anything else...)
AAP--i've never really felt the sides that everyone talks about. The one that I do notice is that the skin on my back gets more oily. A LOT. But no-where else.
When you mentioned using the test @ 250/week, I have done that, but at 500/week for a month. My last cycle was fina75ed/winny50eod weeks 1-6, test @500mg weeks 4-10. Then pct.
I come off of tren better than a lot of people on here it sounds like, but doing this made it even easier for me. Once again, this is "ME" it sounds like the majority though is different. Good luck.
Whiskey
When you mentioned using the test @ 250/week, I have done that, but at 500/week for a month. My last cycle was fina75ed/winny50eod weeks 1-6, test @500mg weeks 4-10. Then pct.
I come off of tren better than a lot of people on here it sounds like, but doing this made it even easier for me. Once again, this is "ME" it sounds like the majority though is different. Good luck.
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for the night sweats, just crank up the A/C.
leemachine- I think BBF looks better than 99% of the male public. Just because he isn't some drug abusing pro does not mean he does not look good. I'll bet if you showed that avatar to 100 women, 99/100 would say he looks better than their husband/bf.
I think there are a bunch of jealous 20 yr old punks on this board sometimes.
leemachine- I think BBF looks better than 99% of the male public. Just because he isn't some drug abusing pro does not mean he does not look good. I'll bet if you showed that avatar to 100 women, 99/100 would say he looks better than their husband/bf.
I think there are a bunch of jealous 20 yr old punks on this board sometimes.
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rodneyabs said:
So I've noticed.
Anywho, leemachine, considereing I had only been training for 3 years when I took that pic, and had alread benched 455 and squated 505 (deep and for reps), I don't think I was doing too bad, especially considering the fact that I was 35% body fat 3 years before the pic... and had already placed 3rd as a middle weight at an NPC show after being a fat as 2 years prior to stepping on stage. I challenge you to beat my improvements by the time you hit your 3 year mark. If you can do so I'll admit to everyone on the board that you just owned me. If you can't, then shut the fuck up.
napolean22
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AAP - what was your bad experience w/ npp?
napolean22
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AAP said:
So what are you saying...injection pain or more like an allergic reaction? Also, have you ever had a similar experience w/ any other types of juice?
I do not know where you get your info about who is using Tren and a "placebo effect" . Tren has been around for a very long time and it is very effective. Strength gains are great and it does create muscle hardness with moderate size gains that are kept. It is cheap and very effective. Ever hear of Parabolin??? Dumbass!!!!
Tren works!!!! always has and always will. If some dumbass, inexperienced moron got on here and said dbol did not work, sooner or later it's effectiveness would be debated as well, I suppose.
Tren works!!!! always has and always will. If some dumbass, inexperienced moron got on here and said dbol did not work, sooner or later it's effectiveness would be debated as well, I suppose.
Themachine01
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Im going on day 9 at 75mg/ed and a little surprised, no night sweats, no insomnia, and really havent felt that much of a strength increase thus far. I threw the fina in for the last 6 weeks of my cycle, hopefully I feel it tonight on deads.
it seems to me that the strength kicks in all of the sudden but a few WEEKS into it.
The_Eviscerator
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According to Author Rea (and research), trenbolone has a permanent mangling effect of cortisol receptors. This can lead to a permanent change in body composition. I believe it to be true. I have noticed a marked physical difference since using tren.
Can you go into more detail as far as this effect? I could believe it.
The_Eviscerator
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ArizonaFeeds said:
I don't have the research in front of me, but when I get home I will post his references. As far as my personal experience, I have noticed that I can eat a little more loosely and I don't gain the fat as much as I used to. Also, my strength has been permanently augmented. In my opinion no drug comes close to the effect trenbolone has on my physique. It is in a completely different class.
Hmmmmm
From what I know about biology, it seems like it would be a pretty tough job for something to permanently mangle your cortisol receptors. I wouldn't bet on that being true.
The receptros are constantly being broken down and reassembled. I think for something to permanently change your ability to do that you would have to change your DNA. Either that, or get some of your organs removed I guess (joke). I assume it might be possible to make some sort of a virus that does this to people-- infects their DNA and changes the manner of the transcription of their cortisol receptors--but I don't think that that would be something like trenbolone.
The receptros are constantly being broken down and reassembled. I think for something to permanently change your ability to do that you would have to change your DNA. Either that, or get some of your organs removed I guess (joke). I assume it might be possible to make some sort of a virus that does this to people-- infects their DNA and changes the manner of the transcription of their cortisol receptors--but I don't think that that would be something like trenbolone.
bodytemple75
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Fina is good stuff, all the way around. IMO
juicedbeachbum
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leemachine said:
Why are you flaming people in the AAS section about AAS use. Why are you flaming him in general.
We're all very proud that you're natural, now go away.
BigBlu
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I've just finished an 8 week Trenbolone/Winstrol course. I have NEVER looked this good ever. I used 75mg Tren ED and 50mg Zambon Winstrol Depot ED. The transformation is nothing short of amazing. I only gained about 5lbs. My diet was very clean and high in protein. My physique has altered into very definite mesomorphic with hard dense musculature. I have become very vascular and my bodyfat has dropped significantly.OMEGA said:
In my 13 years of AAS use I have never had results so good.
georgie24 said:
I did 2, fina/prop/winny cycles.
1) did not diet at all really and just trained with no cardio. I got some positive results but not this ground breaking/jaw dropping look I was hopping for.
2) Next round,
Before starting - got my fill of partying, drinking, eating slop and junk food, until I could not take it anymore. Then Commited to a very strict diet and started. 2 weeks after staring the diet, started the T/P/W with t3 and clen. after about 4 weeks, I looked totally different. lean, ripped, vascualar and hard-freaky look. No cardio either. This time, I will add in just a little cardio at the end of each workout to try to even get leaner, if that is possible.
It was the best combo I did. But without the proper diet, it would of been just average.
