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Ulcasterdropout
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Buddy_Christ
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no.
Testosterone boy
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I believe in a creator that seems to have split the scene.
prolly busy creating other gigs I would think.
prolly busy creating other gigs I would think.
lil'tangerine
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I do.
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Ulcasterdropout
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.....or explained with a "God" paradigm.p0ink said:
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Yes, I believe in God, but I stopped going to church a few years ago.
I didn't enjoy it, or get anything out of it, so I figured why kid myself(and God) by going anymore? I'd be further ahead sitting at home reading the bible, unless the priest is a good speaker, talking about current events and how they and how they affect religion, and vice versa.
It'll be there if I ever feel like going again, and that's why it's there in the first place.
I didn't enjoy it, or get anything out of it, so I figured why kid myself(and God) by going anymore? I'd be further ahead sitting at home reading the bible, unless the priest is a good speaker, talking about current events and how they and how they affect religion, and vice versa.
It'll be there if I ever feel like going again, and that's why it's there in the first place.
plornive
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God used to create humans and wildlife. Then biological evolution created them.
God used to create our moral standards. Then memetic/cultural evolution created them.
God used to create the universe. Then the big bang created it.
Now, we say, God must have created the big bang, right?
God must have done it, because *somebody* must have done it and we certainly don't want to be blamed!
God used to create our moral standards. Then memetic/cultural evolution created them.
God used to create the universe. Then the big bang created it.
Now, we say, God must have created the big bang, right?
God must have done it, because *somebody* must have done it and we certainly don't want to be blamed!
plornive
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Natural selection seems to work.p0ink said:
The error in your assessment is that you suppose "somebody" must have done it. Our English grammar also supposes that there must be a "subject" in every sentence. Why is that?
"Physical" matter is energy, which is ultimately force exerted on other "physical" matter. Each force resides in the object on which it was applied. Fine, there may be a creator, but this creator was perhaps just a set of proverbial forces still reverberating in the universe.
We have many reasons to believe the earth and society posses properties of "consciousness" analogous to those of humans. Pantheism takes this a bit further. I see it as a philosophically consistent way to still believe in "god".
PIGEON-RAT
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yeah. definitely some sort of higher being. but i don't go to church anymore or anything.
i talk to god a lot when i do shrooms.
i talk to god a lot when i do shrooms.
I believe in cheese cake
Robert Jan
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No.
That does not mean I think the universe and life came about by chance
thats a very stupid reasoning
"Ah it's not like all this came about by chance. Everything in the Bible must be true then"
fucking stupid
Inventing a God does not answer any questions. It only shifts them. Now you know where the Universe came from but here's your new shit
Where did God come from?
If he's always been there, what did he do in the inifinite time before he created?
Why is he such an asshole?
Why did he only "come to us" 2000 years ago, when there have been people for a few million years?
It's really very much of a fad.
That does not mean I think the universe and life came about by chance
thats a very stupid reasoning
"Ah it's not like all this came about by chance. Everything in the Bible must be true then"
fucking stupid
Inventing a God does not answer any questions. It only shifts them. Now you know where the Universe came from but here's your new shit
Where did God come from?
If he's always been there, what did he do in the inifinite time before he created?
Why is he such an asshole?
Why did he only "come to us" 2000 years ago, when there have been people for a few million years?
It's really very much of a fad.
1. science only disprovesTiervexx said:
2. look up the word theory in the context of physics.
Robert Jan
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If God exists, may he strike down on me with 5000 points of red.
see?
see?
Imnotdutch
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Imnotdutch said:
Robert Jan
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Actually that IS bullshit you can't let science answer everything Sure the earth is fucking ancient, like even older than my nan, but don't you understand that even if you could grasp the entire universe and everything in it that ever happened, that exists or existed or will exist, in one grand unified physics formula, even then that formula would provide no reason for a Universe that works by this formula to exist.
Forge
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I believe in a creator of the universe, in other words someone or something "designed" the universe to grow and evolve with a goal in mind. I do not beleive in any man-made religion, or any Biblical version of "God". Religion is a social tool made by man, today it is replaced by government and communication.
plornive
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All of this physics is a waste of time.
Why?
Because the believers will keep making up new "proofs" or reasons to believe in 'God'.
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Thus, if you are a non-believer, it is quite stagnating to even entertain the idea of "god". I have wasted plenty of time doing this myself. Let it be.
And if you are a believer, all you are is a vehicle for a mind virus. If you are a Christian, your mind has been imprisoned - perhaps for life. If you think you are not a Christian but still believe in Christian ideals and perhaps a personable 'God' similar to the Christian 'God', you are fucked as well.
Why?
Because the believers will keep making up new "proofs" or reasons to believe in 'God'.
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Thus, if you are a non-believer, it is quite stagnating to even entertain the idea of "god". I have wasted plenty of time doing this myself. Let it be.
And if you are a believer, all you are is a vehicle for a mind virus. If you are a Christian, your mind has been imprisoned - perhaps for life. If you think you are not a Christian but still believe in Christian ideals and perhaps a personable 'God' similar to the Christian 'God', you are fucked as well.
plornive
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By the time physicists comes close to some grand formulas of existence, if they do, we will NO LONGER ASK the questions posed by religion.Robert Jan said:
Sure the earth is fucking ancient, like even older than my nan, but don't you understand that even if you could grasp the entire universe and everything in it that ever happened, that exists or existed or will exist, in one grand unified physics formula, even then that formula would provide no reason for a Universe that works by this formula to exist.
"who done it??!"
"who can I blame?"
"why?"
"what happens to me when I die?"
According to Nietzsche, many religious concepts are "concepts originating in nothing but errors of reason and deserving, not satisfaction, but obliteration"
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Robert Jan
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your nietzsche quote is not a correct sentence. I can't figure it out. What's the verb?
Imnotdutch
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lol. Well PCR is tough if you are new to it. Shit, molecular biology is tough if you aren't experienced with it. Took me forever to get it right when I first started it. That shit should be left to mindless drones........so the rest of us can get onto something more taxing.......and interesting.
Aside from that.......things are cool with me.
Of and the Earth is 4 million years old then? heheheh
cutiepie04
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Yes.
Imnotdutch
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Ipersonally owuld avoid quoting Richard Dawkins on this topic. He has said, in the past, that the theory of evolution disproves the existence of God......it does not.
BTW why does believing in christian ideals mean you are fucked? Christianity, along with the other major religions, emphasises some very good things. You could believe in Christian ideals withuot being religious at all.....just a well adjusted human being.
BTW why does believing in christian ideals mean you are fucked? Christianity, along with the other major religions, emphasises some very good things. You could believe in Christian ideals withuot being religious at all.....just a well adjusted human being.
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Imnotdutch said:
yes, but this is an "if P, then Q" argument.
Imnotdutch
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juicedpigtails said:yes, but this is an "if P, then Q" argument.
That cat looks like you just gave it a nasty suprise.......are things so bad that you have to stoop to molesting cats?
Robert Jan
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MAX 300 said:
Shave with Venus and feel like a Goddess
yes, tuc took all the ferrets and robert jang, all the anteaters. thus i am left with cats.Imnotdutch said:
Robert Jan
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anteaters rule
plornive
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Richard Dawkins says some controversial things. Part of the reason he might have said that evolution disproves the existence of God (please show me where/when he said this) is that he often refers to evolution as including genetic evolution and memetic evolution. I am not sure what he meant because you have not given any quotes for me to interpret. Memetic analysis should one day provide clues on how the idea of "God" came to be, which would undermine the role of "truth" in the causal links leading to "God". Memetics is itself a meme and a paradigm shift that will one day undermine most religious memes.Imnotdutch said:
Christianity and Christian morals have caused people to shun knowledge, close their minds, fight wars, limit their minds - overall causing mass stupidity.Imnotdutch said:
Before you criticize what I am saying, let's be clear that I am not advocating the anti-thesis of Christian morals.
Christian morals are based on the idea that "God" exists and that Jesus was the son of "God", both of which are incorrect and based on errors. Thus, we as a society hold morals we don't even believe in. Some of us may "believe we believe", but we do not hold the lower level belief in "God". G-O-D I-S D-E-A-D, and we have a corrupt society with no direction. Christianity may have been a historical necessity, but it is now dead.
Christianity teaches people some ideas which I find to be particularly close-minded and irrational. The idea of selflessness and good/evil is quite irrational - it denies the obvious fact that no act is selfless and turns people into soft and irrational people. It teaches us to "turn the other cheek" - essentially it teaches us to have no honor! I hope my enemy "turns the other cheek", but I would not want to do business with or otherwise associate with someone with such a lack of honor.
Further, since we as a society no longer believe in the bases of these ideas, we need to find newer, more rational ideas. This does not necessarily mean another "God" - I don't think we could find such a thing - because I think the need for a "God" may be dissipated.
Robert Jan
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deteras1 said:
Common misconception. Worms are vegetarian. It's all bacteria and fungi, moulds.
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yeah, and free radicals.
plornive
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Why I am a reluctant 'strong atheist':
Through empirical evidence we can demonstrate that there is no discernable point at which something becomes conscious, although nearly everyone would claim otherwise. Consciousness comprises the brain; perhaps not the entire thing.
We cannot find an instance of the brain defying laws of physics, so some would argue that our minds operate according to the laws of physics. Maybe there is another kind of physics we do not yet understand - but this is hardly a strong hypothesis in support of the existence of an identity beyond physics. Even random events could be recorded and deemed "physical". Asserting that there is another kind of physics in which there are evolving energies underlying our existence is... presumptuous.
We could conceive of an interface; an interface of significance, for the reason that behind the interface lies an entity limited significantly more directly by itself then by elements opposite it's side of the interface - but that is irrelevant, for there is already an interface between our bodies and the world beyond. My causation, in a colloquial sense, comes more directly from myself than the external world, assuming I exist in that sense and I am not just in a dream where my objective observation is subjective nothingness.
Each moment is defined by the content of my memory and thoughts. The passage of time is an idea expressed somehow in my brain, not something that is inherently sensed. My idea of "self" is an idea expressed by my brain, my mind.
It is not incorrect to say that I am always dying and being reborn as a new person. Although I can feel my existence as a sequence of time, my actions are determined by current state, which was determined by other states including my interaction with the "physical" world. When I die, my experience will no longer be defined by my memory and my thoughts. My experience simply won't exist, although I might choose to hope for such an unwarranted idea.
The last grasp to the idea of "God" by would-be Christians and other misinformed people is analogous to the idea that we posses "consciousness" or "souls" beyond our "physical" selves. In this case, "God" is the "soul" and we blame everything on him while supposing we blame our "free" selves. The idea of "free will" stems from the mysterious conception of a "soul", which is irrelevant if we deem such to be "natural".
Through empirical evidence we can demonstrate that there is no discernable point at which something becomes conscious, although nearly everyone would claim otherwise. Consciousness comprises the brain; perhaps not the entire thing.
We cannot find an instance of the brain defying laws of physics, so some would argue that our minds operate according to the laws of physics. Maybe there is another kind of physics we do not yet understand - but this is hardly a strong hypothesis in support of the existence of an identity beyond physics. Even random events could be recorded and deemed "physical". Asserting that there is another kind of physics in which there are evolving energies underlying our existence is... presumptuous.
We could conceive of an interface; an interface of significance, for the reason that behind the interface lies an entity limited significantly more directly by itself then by elements opposite it's side of the interface - but that is irrelevant, for there is already an interface between our bodies and the world beyond. My causation, in a colloquial sense, comes more directly from myself than the external world, assuming I exist in that sense and I am not just in a dream where my objective observation is subjective nothingness.
Each moment is defined by the content of my memory and thoughts. The passage of time is an idea expressed somehow in my brain, not something that is inherently sensed. My idea of "self" is an idea expressed by my brain, my mind.
It is not incorrect to say that I am always dying and being reborn as a new person. Although I can feel my existence as a sequence of time, my actions are determined by current state, which was determined by other states including my interaction with the "physical" world. When I die, my experience will no longer be defined by my memory and my thoughts. My experience simply won't exist, although I might choose to hope for such an unwarranted idea.
The last grasp to the idea of "God" by would-be Christians and other misinformed people is analogous to the idea that we posses "consciousness" or "souls" beyond our "physical" selves. In this case, "God" is the "soul" and we blame everything on him while supposing we blame our "free" selves. The idea of "free will" stems from the mysterious conception of a "soul", which is irrelevant if we deem such to be "natural".
big_bad_buff
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I watched a video last night that a friend let me barrow. It was a video that 3 archeologists/missionary’s made of 'Physical evidence of ancient Exodus. I forget how long they spent there, but it showed a ton of evidence. It Showed the path were god parted the Red Sea so Moses and the people could cross(showed coral covered chariot wheel ect) It shows the mountain that god appeared over, and the top of the whole mounted is melted. It showed the rock that mosses struck and it split in two and water gushed out ect…to many to list. pretty good stuff for those that know there is a god but yet have a hard time actually believe the stories in the bible. cool to actualy see it
TXM4DM4N said:
This is where I stand as well. I too am very thankful I was raised like this.
I dont think because I'm a Christian that this messes up my life. I'm a very logical person, and think about things a lot, and even after pondering over Christianity and whether it is real or not, I always come back to the conclusion that it is.
The universe is too complex to be chance, and I see and hear so many stories about prayers being miraculously answered.
Bad stuff happens to us because God doesn't make life out to be all peachy and perfect, he wants to condition us, to make us tougher inside, to make us made of steel.
Jesus is a great model to look up to and shouldnt be dissed (whether you want to believe in his existence, death, and ressurrection is up to you i suppose, but i dont see any way how any of it can be refuted)
Of course if you don't 'want' to believe in any of this stuff, for any particular reason, you probably never will.
