Dieting on High Carbs???

[SouthernLord]

It's time to trim the fat. I have crept up to 20% body fat and I would like to reduce that to 10% before I run my first cycle.

Who here has successfully lost fat while preserving LBM on a higher carb diet? All the hype seems to be high pro, low cho, and high fat diets for cutting. After reading BFFM by Tom Venuto my views on dieting have changed based on his advice.

His baseline diet is 50-55% CHO, 30% PRO, and 15-20% fat. Of course there is no magical macro nutrient ratio that will allow for greater fat loss. Fat Loss boils down to calories in vs. calories out. He advocates keeping CHO high to keep glycogen stores full so you can continue to train hard and preserve LBM. "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle"

For me those macros fly in the face of everything I have done in the past and what I have been taught to believe. I kinda like it

The CHO is way higher than what I am used to. He advocates complex starchy and fibrous carbs with every meal. The fibrous carbs slow down the rate of which your body burns up the complex starchy carbs for fuel. I believe the fibrous carbs also blunt the insulin response to the starches. The addition of the fibrous carbs makes a lot of sense and I think is the main reason I have not done too well on starchy carbs alone in the past. This past week I have ate starchy and fibrous carbs with most of my meals while eating at maintenance kcal levels and I am not crashing and my energy levels are through the roof.

The protein intake is not normal for me either. On my upcoming low calorie days I am only consuming .8 of my body weight in protein. I am used to eating close to if not more than 2x my body weight daily. Take in mind my calories from CHO have been a lot lower than he recommends. On my high calorie days (maintenance cals) my protein intake is just over 1x body weight.

Fat intake is very low by my standards. I was consuming red meat twice daily along with whole eggs every morning, sometimes up to a dozen a day. This provided me with quite a bit of fat daily. I have replaced those with salmon/fish, egg whites, and I am continuing to eat chicken. I have cut out my smart balance spread, ANBP (for now), and all nuts. The only supplemental fat I am consuming at the moment is fish oil.

The plan is to alternate 3 low cal days and 1 high cal day (maintenance) for three months. After those three months I am going to carb cycle and add LipoFlame and LipoStim to hopefully drop down into the single digits. I know most people would add the stims right off the bat, but I think letting my diet, training, and cardio do most of the work instead of using the stims as a crutch. Plus I want to see how far I can go with diet and training alone. I know this is a four month plan and most people cut in a shorter time frame. I do NOT want to loose any of the LBM I worked my ass off to gain. I would be happy with a .5-.75% loss of body fat a week. It would also be nice to gain 3-5 pounds of LBM in this time frame as well. It is possible.

What do you guys think of this??? Sorry I posted so much, but I was on a roll

 

[OneBreath]

I was just PMing a dude that was asking about diet advice. It was the first time i've actually said just to keep it simple. I've sort of come full circle recently and think that unless you are trying to go from 8% to 6% (essentially something difficult), then just keeping it simple is best.

So for instance, at 20%, most any adjustment should yield results. Then you get stuck at 18 and have to get more strict, then 16 and so on.

My plan these days is to just keep carbs and protein about the same and somewhat minimize saturated fat (not completely exclude). I'm probably sitting at around 40% protein / 40% carbs / 20% fat right now. I eat as soon as i finish morning cardio and i keep eating throughout the day never letting myself get hungry. Everytime i eat protein is the base. Then a starchy carb, then a good fat source.

I think this is the biggest factor right here: when i don't plan well, i'll not eat until around 11AM, and then binge. Then i'm fucking full as shit and ready to pass out. This will lead to a longer period before i eat again and then i binge again. The pattern just keeps repeating. This is what will keep me > 15% every time. Its not that i'm taking in too many carbs (or some other macro factor). Its that my body is in starvation mode and then i feed it 1500 calories at once.

Cliffnotes: Don't over analyse, don't let your body get hungry, make protein your base of every meal.

 

[SouthernLord]

Thank you bro. You are right. I need to keep it simple and basic. It all starts with finding exactly how many calories you need and eating a little bit less than that. The hardest part of the whole thing for me so far is counting kcals and keeping a food log. I have four menus made up with two being at my maintenence intake and two being 20% less. This seems to make things a little easier.

 

[OneBreath]

Yeah, i'd say focus on those cals and you'll be at 15% before you know it. One thing i think is crucial is shit tons of fiber. This keeps the appetite a little regulated (easier to limit cals). I go mainly with oats/flaxmeal/broccoli. Huge fiber doses will also push some of that water right out and give you a quick feeling of results. That's important to keep the motivation and momentum flowing.

 

[Nomak666]

wow SL, 20%? what was your diet like? dirty bulking? i do not agree with the "fat loss comes down to calories in vs calories out". if you consume less calories then your body uses, you will no doubt about it, 100% lose "weight" but it will come from fat, stored carbs, and muscle. i hope that makes sense, it did in my head. lol. and good choice on letting your diet training and cardio do the work first, im doing the same with lipoflame and lipostim, waiting til i hit a wall, then through them in the mix.

 

[SouthernLord]

I fucking love broccoli!!!

I am eating broccoli, spinach, cabage, or green beans with every meal. You do not want to use the bathroom after me lol.

The best thing about these wonderful fibrous veggies is that they are actually a "negative calorie" food. They supply your body with less calories than your body uses to digest them.

 

[SouthernLord]

Yeah bro. I let it get out of hand. In the past year and a half I ate my way from 190 to nearly 230 drug free. This is hard to do without adding some adipose. I am ready to take it off.

 

[OneBreath]

wow SL, 20%? what was your diet like? dirty bulking? i do not agree with the "fat loss comes down to calories in vs calories out". if you consume less calories then your body uses, you will no doubt about it, 100% lose "weight" but it will come from fat, stored carbs, and muscle. i hope that makes sense, it did in my head. lol. and good choice on letting your diet training and cardio do the work first, im doing the same with lipoflame and lipostim, waiting til i hit a wall, then through them in the mix.

Interesting. I heard an idea recently that you should only cut cals by 100 or 200 (rather than the standard 500). The idea was to trick your body into thinking you were not dieting, but to make up the calorie deficit with lots of lower intensity steady state cardio.

 

[Nomak666]

Interesting. I heard an idea recently that you should only cut cals by 100 or 200 (rather than the standard 500). The idea was to trick your body into thinking you were not dieting, but to make up the calorie deficit with lots of lower intensity steady state cardio.

i barely count calories but i can get a good guess on how much i consume daily. the most important part of cutting is definitely carbs. to be honest, i think you can eat as much protein as you want, to an extent. if you eat 1 pounds of chicken at one meal, i doubt youll eat many protein in the next. so just make sure you get your 40-50 grams of protein at each meal, and if youre still hungry, eat a little more protein. and just keep your carbs at the first 4 meals of the day and none on the last 2 exept for veggies. once you stop losing, then eat less carbs at those meals. i think a good start is 2 cups of oatmeal for breakfast, and 2 cups of brown rice at the next 3 meals. then when you get stuck, cut half a cup of carbs with meal 4, then meal 3, then 2, then 1. so now you should be consuming 1 and a half cups of carbs at each meal. when you get stuck, thats right, another half a cup starting with meal 4, etc. hope that makes sense.

 

[cobracock1979]

Good thread.

Calorie/ carbs zig zagging randomly works for me on a cal surplus

 

[SouthernLord]

I lost six pounds last week. Body fat has not changed, but I was expecting this initial loss of water. My calorie intake a is up and down everyday depending on the day, but never over maintenance and never under 20% of maintenance. I've been killing the cardio. 4 miles in thirty minutes is an all time PR for me. OF course I have never tried to run that far before. Good shit so far. I will keep posted.

 

[timtim]

I lost six pounds last week. Body fat has not changed, but I was expecting this initial loss of water. My calorie intake a is up and down everyday depending on the day, but never over maintenance and never under 20% of maintenance. I've been killing the cardio. 4 miles in thirty minutes is an all time PR for me. OF course I have never tried to run that far before. Good shit so far. I will keep posted.

try hiit cardio sl. you have one of those step machines at your gym where the stairs role out like an escalator? hiit is where its at and you dont even need to run. you can use the treadmill and increase the incline and speed and do hiit that way too. it works and its not taxing on the knees or muscle mass.

 

[SouthernLord]

try hiit cardio sl. you have one of those step machines at your gym where the stairs role out like an escalator? hiit is where its at and you dont even need to run. you can use the treadmill and increase the incline and speed and do hiit that way too. it works and its not taxing on the knees or muscle mass.

Yeah I am trying to mix it up.

I have never ran anywhere in my life lol and I just wanted to see what I could do in thirty minutes. First time was 3.6 miles and yesterday I hit 4 miles in 27 minutes. Of course this is on the treadmill. My mileage would vary on the pavement. This is not something I plan on doing frequently either. I do not want to run my leg mass off and it does bother my knees.

I have also been doing HIIT as you mentioned on the stepmill. I will do thirty minutes on the step mill at an 8.0 setting. I alternate one minute upright without hanging on and one minute leaning over while hanging on. This makes me pour sweat.

As far as incline treadmill HIIT. What do you recommend? Say, start at 3.5 mph and a 5 degree incline while working up to a 15 degree incline in one to two minute intervals? I was thinking about trying this out tomorrow.

 

[timtim]

Yeah I am trying to mix it up.

I have never ran anywhere in my life lol and I just wanted to see what I could do in thirty minutes. First time was 3.6 miles and yesterday I hit 4 miles in 27 minutes. Of course this is on the treadmill. My mileage would vary on the pavement. This is not something I plan on doing frequently either. I do not want to run my leg mass off and it does bother my knees.

I have also been doing HIIT as you mentioned on the stepmill. I will do thirty minutes on the step mill at an 8.0 setting. I alternate one minute upright without hanging on and one minute leaning over while hanging on. This makes me pour sweat.

As far as incline treadmill HIIT. What do you recommend? Say, start at 3.5 mph and a 5 degree incline while working up to a 15 degree incline in one to two minute intervals? I was thinking about trying this out tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

i usually do the stepmill, 10 30 second sprints at level 12, then down to level 3 for 30 seconds. from here i go to the treadmill. 2 minutes at 3.0 incline 15, 2 minutes at 4.0 incline 5. i then vary the speeds depending on how i feel. total workout with the stepmill is 30 minutes. killer!

 

[rikishi]

I eat a very high carb diet and I'm losing bodyfat by a pretty good margin everyday. However, my metabolism is rather fast so my body may be different than yours. I eat 700-1000g of carbs a day depending on how much weightlifting I do.

The key is WHEN you eat carbs. If you load up on them when your glycogen is low, you will never store them as fat.

For breakfast, I eat 300 g of carbs every day. It's a mix of simple and complex carbs (5 whole wheat bagels at manhattan bagel, which contain sugar and white barley mix). This restores glycogen. I also eat over 300 g of carbs postworkout. I go to Papa John's and eat an entire whole wheat pizza with tomato sauce on top, and no cheese. That's probably 350 g carbs.

So I'm already up to 650 g carbs, and none of that is ever stored as fat. It goes right to my glycogen deposits. I now have 3-4 other means to eat of 80-100 g carbs each meal. So, besides the two meals when my glycogen is low, I eat moderate (complex, though) carbs. However, protein intake is very high, I eat well over 400 g per day.


So, I'm an example of a high carb diet that still allows me to lose fat. I do have a fast metabolism, though, so you may not be able to eat as many carbs as me all at once and be able to burn it like I do.

 

[desmond]

SL: You can't do true HIIT on a treadmill (because the high intensity parts need to be MAX intensity the entire time, which can't happen on a treadmill, because initially you can sprint the speed and as it goes longer it becomes harder to sprint the speed), it needs to be on an oval.

True sprinting HIIT on an oval is one of the hardest things to do.

When I was in melbourne, I had access to a 50 floor stairwell, and yeah - that made for some good HIIT too (although slightly dangerous).

You could try a stationary bike for HIIT at very high resistance. If you do it standing and the resistance is high, I have found you can get the HR really high.

 

[desmond]

SL: Oh one last thing.

Note Tom Venuoto says that people who have followed low carb diets for ages, may develop a degree of carb sensitivity.

From my understanding, u have been on a low carb diet for ages, so its possible initially you will have a degree of carb sensitivity (if he's correct on this point). I assume this decreases significantly over the first few weeks. The point of reference is when he refers to bodybuilders who have scrapped carbs in the contest stages, and blimp out after contest

 

[timtim]

SL: You can't do true HIIT on a treadmill (because the high intensity parts need to be MAX intensity the entire time, which can't happen on a treadmill, because initially you can sprint the speed and as it goes longer it becomes harder to sprint the speed), it needs to be on an oval.

True sprinting HIIT on an oval is one of the hardest things to do.

When I was in melbourne, I had access to a 50 floor stairwell, and yeah - that made for some good HIIT too (although slightly dangerous).

You could try a stationary bike for HIIT at very high resistance. If you do it standing and the resistance is high, I have found you can get the HR really high.

i get my heart rate up to 192 without sprinting. does the heart really know if your running? sort of like, does a muscle know how much youre lifting. im 31 so 220 - 31 = 189. im pretty sure my heart rate is getting into the hiit necessary zone. while saving the knees the entire time.

 

[SouthernLord]

SL: Oh one last thing.

Note Tom Venuoto says that people who have followed low carb diets for ages, may develop a degree of carb sensitivity.

From my understanding, u have been on a low carb diet for ages, so its possible initially you will have a degree of carb sensitivity (if he's correct on this point). I assume this decreases significantly over the first few weeks. The point of reference is when he refers to bodybuilders who have scrapped carbs in the contest stages, and blimp out after contest

I was actually expecting this. My cho intake has been a little higher as of late, but not as high as TV recommends. I am eating complex carbs with five of six meals and I have actually dropped some water weight. I was expecting the opposite.

 

[goonieboy2008]

Hi
I believe the best way to start is 50-45% Carbs,30-35% Protein,20-15% Fats.And then you adjust accordingly to your body type or results you are getting or not getting

 

[SouthernLord]

Week four update......

So far I've dropped 12 pounds total and 3% bf according to my Accu-Measure calipers. I'm noticing a lot of definition in my legs, back, and arms. My gut is shrinking too. I have ab outlines when I wake up. I still have a ways to go and I plan on changing my approach by carb cycling and adding a stim in two weeks. I am still gaining strength and I am mixing up HIIT and steady state cardio.

 

[desmond]

1000g carbs and cutting?

Unless your Michael Phelps, I'm having my doubts

I eat a very high carb diet and I'm losing bodyfat by a pretty good margin everyday. However, my metabolism is rather fast so my body may be different than yours. I eat 700-1000g of carbs a day depending on how much weightlifting I do.

The key is WHEN you eat carbs. If you load up on them when your glycogen is low, you will never store them as fat.

For breakfast, I eat 300 g of carbs every day. It's a mix of simple and complex carbs (5 whole wheat bagels at manhattan bagel, which contain sugar and white barley mix). This restores glycogen. I also eat over 300 g of carbs postworkout. I go to Papa John's and eat an entire whole wheat pizza with tomato sauce on top, and no cheese. That's probably 350 g carbs.

So I'm already up to 650 g carbs, and none of that is ever stored as fat. It goes right to my glycogen deposits. I now have 3-4 other means to eat of 80-100 g carbs each meal. So, besides the two meals when my glycogen is low, I eat moderate (complex, though) carbs. However, protein intake is very high, I eat well over 400 g per day.


So, I'm an example of a high carb diet that still allows me to lose fat. I do have a fast metabolism, though, so you may not be able to eat as many carbs as me all at once and be able to burn it like I do.

 

[desmond]

I'm glad its working for you.

Obsessions with "insulin control" are overrated.

Cals in v Cals out is the main factor with sufficient protein and workouts to preserve LBM, particularly while bf > 10%

Week four update......

So far I've dropped 12 pounds total and 3% bf according to my Accu-Measure calipers. I'm noticing a lot of definition in my legs, back, and arms. My gut is shrinking too. I have ab outlines when I wake up. I still have a ways to go and I plan on changing my approach by carb cycling and adding a stim in two weeks. I am still gaining strength and I am mixing up HIIT and steady state cardio.

 

[SouthernLord]

I'm glad its working for you.

Obsessions with "insulin control" are overrated.

Cals in v Cals out is the main factor with sufficient protein and workouts to preserve LBM, particularly while bf < 10%

I'm eating carbs up until my meal before bed. I was once brainwashed into thinking this was totally unacceptible. Well, not so much now.

 

[desmond]

SL:

if your concerned about leg mass, you could also do a brisk walk up a 15 degree incline.

At your bodyweight, I'm imaging this would actually burn a lot of cals per hour (700?+).

You never know - u may also get better calves out of it.

I often run up a 15 degree incline, but I am much lighter/smaller than you. It is a killer calf workout in itself. Moreover, the load is more evenly distributed between hams/quads than flat running (I believe it is the hams which are more prone to endurance atrophy than quads - compared say 2 km cyclists to 1500 metre runners)

Yeah I am trying to mix it up.

I have never ran anywhere in my life lol and I just wanted to see what I could do in thirty minutes. First time was 3.6 miles and yesterday I hit 4 miles in 27 minutes. Of course this is on the treadmill. My mileage would vary on the pavement. This is not something I plan on doing frequently either. I do not want to run my leg mass off and it does bother my knees.

I have also been doing HIIT as you mentioned on the stepmill. I will do thirty minutes on the step mill at an 8.0 setting. I alternate one minute upright without hanging on and one minute leaning over while hanging on. This makes me pour sweat.

As far as incline treadmill HIIT. What do you recommend? Say, start at 3.5 mph and a 5 degree incline while working up to a 15 degree incline in one to two minute intervals? I was thinking about trying this out tomorrow.

 

[SouthernLord]

SL:

if your concerned about leg mass, you could also do a brisk walk up a 15 degree incline.

At your bodyweight, I'm imaging this would actually burn a lot of cals per hour (700?+).

You never know - u may also get better calves out of it.

I often run up a 15 degree incline, but I am much lighter/smaller than you. It is a killer calf workout in itself. Moreover, the load is more evenly distributed between hams/quads than flat running (I believe it is the hams which are more prone to endurance atrophy than quads - compared say 2 km cyclists to 1500 metre runners)

I am actually alternating uphill walking with stepmill HIIT. I usually do the HIIT pwo and the uphill walking on my off days. I'm up to 45 minutes at 3.3 mph and a 10% incline with my twenty pound vest. This pumps my calves like crazy and I huff and puff the whole time.

 

[timtim]

awesome job sl!

that stepmill hiit is no joke. no matter how much you do it, you never get acclimated. like tom venuto's quad blaster, no matter what, youre fucked.

im different metabolism wise than you guys. i cant diet down with carbs, gotta go high fat and carb cycle in days. i dont mind it really, always been very carb sensitive. keep up the good work!

 

[Thandie]

It's time to trim the fat. I have crept up to 20% body fat and I would like to reduce that to 10% before I run my first cycle.

Who here has successfully lost fat while preserving LBM on a higher carb diet? All the hype seems to be high pro, low cho, and high fat diets for cutting. After reading BFFM by Tom Venuto my views on dieting have changed based on his advice.

His baseline diet is 50-55% CHO, 30% PRO, and 15-20% fat. Of course there is no magical macro nutrient ratio that will allow for greater fat loss. Fat Loss boils down to calories in vs. calories out. He advocates keeping CHO high to keep glycogen stores full so you can continue to train hard and preserve LBM. "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle"

For me those macros fly in the face of everything I have done in the past and what I have been taught to believe. I kinda like it

The CHO is way higher than what I am used to. He advocates complex starchy and fibrous carbs with every meal. The fibrous carbs slow down the rate of which your body burns up the complex starchy carbs for fuel. I believe the fibrous carbs also blunt the insulin response to the starches. The addition of the fibrous carbs makes a lot of sense and I think is the main reason I have not done too well on starchy carbs alone in the past. This past week I have ate starchy and fibrous carbs with most of my meals while eating at maintenance kcal levels and I am not crashing and my energy levels are through the roof.

The protein intake is not normal for me either. On my upcoming low calorie days I am only consuming .8 of my body weight in protein. I am used to eating close to if not more than 2x my body weight daily. Take in mind my calories from CHO have been a lot lower than he recommends. On my high calorie days (maintenance cals) my protein intake is just over 1x body weight.

Fat intake is very low by my standards. I was consuming red meat twice daily along with whole eggs every morning, sometimes up to a dozen a day. This provided me with quite a bit of fat daily. I have replaced those with salmon/fish, egg whites, and I am continuing to eat chicken. I have cut out my smart balance spread, ANBP (for now), and all nuts. The only supplemental fat I am consuming at the moment is fish oil.

The plan is to alternate 3 low cal days and 1 high cal day (maintenance) for three months. After those three months I am going to carb cycle and add LipoFlame and LipoStim to hopefully drop down into the single digits. I know most people would add the stims right off the bat, but I think letting my diet, training, and cardio do most of the work instead of using the stims as a crutch. Plus I want to see how far I can go with diet and training alone. I know this is a four month plan and most people cut in a shorter time frame. I do NOT want to loose any of the LBM I worked my ass off to gain. I would be happy with a .5-.75% loss of body fat a week. It would also be nice to gain 3-5 pounds of LBM in this time frame as well. It is possible.

What do you guys think of this??? Sorry I posted so much, but I was on a roll

I have! However, I count macros, but my carbs are high and it decreases as I get closer to cutting.
Your new approach is a lot healthier then the previous one. You shouldn't lose more then .5-.75 of bf per week as you mentioned. You'll also burn less muscles in the long run as you cut.

 

[desmond]

awesome job sl!

that stepmill hiit is no joke. no matter how much you do it, you never get acclimated. like tom venuto's quad blaster, no matter what, youre fucked.

im different metabolism wise than you guys. i cant diet down with carbs, gotta go high fat and carb cycle in days. i dont mind it really, always been very carb sensitive. keep up the good work!

I've never got this carb sensitivity stuff?

Consider the logic. Suppose your on a 500 cal deficit. You consume carbs, this jacks your insulin, you store the carbs as fat (on assumption of extreme carb sensitivity: metabolic syndrome etc).

2 possibilities:

(1) you have no stored glycogen - because you store all carbs as fat - so you burn fat as your body doesn't have carbs to use. Either way you still burn fat, and on a 500 cal deficit, you still lose fat. Let's say pound per week (if u only lose fat).

(2) you have no stored glycogen - because you store all carbs as fat - but your insulin is so jacked you can't oxidise fat. Your body only uses muscle cells for energy.

But your in a calorie deficit. So all the calorie deficit is fueled by muscle protein as your elevated insulin prevents fat oxidation. But a pound of muscle is only 600 calories (mainly water; muscle is 4 cals per g: see 3500 Calories: A Pound of Fat or Six Pounds Of Muscle?), so you lose 3500/600=5.8lbs of muscle per week.

The second scenario strikes me as VERY unlikely.

 

[rikishi]

1000g carbs and cutting?

Unless your Michael Phelps, I'm having my doubts

No, I'm not cutting, I'm bulking. I'm losing bodyfat on a bulk with my diet.

I need to keep my weight up for athletics, so I try to recompose (add muscle and drop fat but maintain bodyweight)

 

[timtim]

I've never got this carb sensitivity stuff?

Consider the logic. Suppose your on a 500 cal deficit. You consume carbs, this jacks your insulin, you store the carbs as fat (on assumption of extreme carb sensitivity: metabolic syndrome etc).

2 possibilities:

(1) you have no stored glycogen - because you store all carbs as fat - so you burn fat as your body doesn't have carbs to use. Either way you still burn fat, and on a 500 cal deficit, you still lose fat. Let's say pound per week (if u only lose fat).

(2) you have no stored glycogen - because you store all carbs as fat - but your insulin is so jacked you can't oxidise fat. Your body only uses muscle cells for energy.

But your in a calorie deficit. So all the calorie deficit is fueled by muscle protein as your elevated insulin prevents fat oxidation. But a pound of muscle is only 600 calories (mainly water; muscle is 4 cals per g: see 3500 Calories: A Pound of Fat or Six Pounds Of Muscle?), so you lose 3500/600=5.8lbs of muscle per week.

The second scenario strikes me as VERY unlikely.

believe me, ive been dieting since 1999 and have tried everything. i have to eat very low calorie and very low carb to make body fat loses. ive maintained over 200 pounds with under 12% bf on less than 2300 calories a day and im 5'5". everyone is different, ive figured my body out. its just the way i am. i know a close friend who is going for his pro card who eats 200 grams of protein a day, 250 grams of carbs a day, and 50 grams of fat. hes 5'6", 190, 6% bf- everyone is different. in his opinion, show him someone who needs 3500 calories a day to maintain their bodyweight and he says they must have a hole in their stomach.

also, in place of the carbs im taking in upwards of 120 grams of fats a day. look up dave palumbos diet schemes. they work for nearly everyone who uses them, including dave who is 260 and like 4% bf. my body is not chewing up muscle by 6 pounds a week. that whole scenario is in a vacuum and fortunately for us, life doesnt happen in a pitri dish in a lab.

 

[Thandie]

believe me, ive been dieting since 1999 and have tried everything. i have to eat very low calorie and very low carb to make body fat loses. ive maintained over 200 pounds with under 12% bf on less than 2300 calories a day and im 5'5". everyone is different, ive figured my body out. its just the way i am. i know a close friend who is going for his pro card who eats 200 grams of protein a day, 250 grams of carbs a day, and 50 grams of fat. hes 5'6", 190, 6% bf- everyone is different. in his opinion, show him someone who needs 3500 calories a day to maintain their bodyweight and he says they must have a hole in their stomach.

also, in place of the carbs im taking in upwards of 120 grams of fats a day. look up dave palumbos diet schemes. they work for nearly everyone who uses them, including dave who is 260 and like 4% bf. my body is not chewing up muscle by 6 pounds a week. that whole scenario is in a vacuum and fortunately for us, life doesnt happen in a pitri dish in a lab.

You're correct! Every one is different and different at different times. I know people who also are carbs sensitive and have to maintain very low carbs in their diet.
I consider myself average with a high metabolism. I usually have 150g carbs and can lose weigh, where there have been times when consume 400g of cho and lose weight.
Great you were able to figure out what works for you!