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Did Slavery destroy Africa?

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Your thoughts, please.
 
How ? It's not like they were having a huge scientist party and then the whiteys came screwed up everything (unlike arabs in some ways).
 
nah slavery helped in my opinion,otherwise most of the people who are thriving today in north america would likely have died off for disease or starvation and can now collect a nice fat welfare cheque,hell africa doesnt have welfare.
 
Me thinks it was an in-house situation that they cultivated themselves.
 
britain and france need to take back their colonies like yesterday
 
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. - Winston Churchill
to the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)
 
Spartacus said:
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. - Winston Churchill
to the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)
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Agree ! But that would be so politically incorrect to day....
 
No slavery did not destroy Africa....But now that you mention it, we should get on that whole destroying thing for the good of Earth.
 
The Continent is a mess. When we went to Kenya and Tanzania, the people were completely useless.

These people lived in utter shacks. I mean shacks that would make the local ghetto's look like penthouses.

Yet they always wore nice clothes.

Almost all of them had a cell phone.

The try to scam their way to make a living

Most are doing absolutely nothing but sitting in front of their shack and doing each others hair.

If they weren't sitting outside their house, they were just walking around doing nothing.

Until the people of Africa actually take the initiative themselves instead of expecting others to come in and help, it will still remain the social and economic shithole that it is.

Hell maybe it's good that they have such a self defeative attitude. This way, urban sprawl will never happen thus the animals of Africa will continue to have their national parks.
 
Wow...between this and the Ferarro/Obama thread, I didn't realize that it was "pile on black people day". Someone forgot to send me the memo.
 
Am I hearing (reading) this correctly..................... I thought they were................ You know the race card has been flying around this site for a couple weeks now. WTF is up with that. We all have a common goal, lets get it together people, this thread freaking sux ass and all the other "race" threads..... Are we trying to see who is actually racist on here? It's silly. Lemme guess, we gonna blame all this talk on the Presidential Election and somehow reverse right back to Barrack right. Bam! I just did. Easy how words can get twisted into making you think one way then "Bam!" your right back where you were in a different thread. Half of you all, "black and white" don't even know what happened as you were sleeping I guess that day in history.

Excuse me for speaking out on behalf of the ones who are sick of "racial" threads.

Thank you for the bomb in advance........................
 
It gets old man. Sorry everyone, bomb me as my wife says I am being a bitch too................ Maybe its a double dosage and headphones day, I dunno man.........
 
I was always curious as to why an entire continent has not contributed a damn thing to the rest of the world. And Im not talking about Antarctica.
 
Delinquent said:
The Continent is a mess. When we went to Kenya and Tanzania, the people were completely useless.

These people lived in utter shacks. I mean shacks that would make the local ghetto's look like penthouses.

Yet they always wore nice clothes.

Almost all of them had a cell phone.

The try to scam their way to make a living

Most are doing absolutely nothing but sitting in front of their shack and doing each others hair.

If they weren't sitting outside their house, they were just walking around doing nothing.

Until the people of Africa actually take the initiative themselves instead of expecting others to come in and help, it will still remain the social and economic shithole that it is.

Hell maybe it's good that they have such a self defeative attitude. This way, urban sprawl will never happen thus the animals of Africa will continue to have their national parks.
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40% of europe's flowers come from Kenya...before this civil war
 
superdave said:
I was always curious as to why an entire continent has not contributed a damn thing to the rest of the world. And Im not talking about Antarctica.
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South America?
I believe the seed of human life was planted in Africa.
 
superdave said:
I was always curious as to why an entire continent has not contributed a damn thing to the rest of the world. And Im not talking about Antarctica.
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Yea those bloody Australians, too busy drinking beer and watching out for dingo eating babies. Still, we shouldn't expect much from colonial convicts :D

(Yea I'm aware it's Oceania / Australasia).
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
South America?
I believe the seed of human life was planted in Africa.
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To be fair, South America has contributed tonnes of "Columbian marching powder" to the world.
 
Spartacus said:
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. - Winston Churchill
to the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)
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And that's why Winston Churchill was a scumbag piece of dogshit.
 
Spartacus said:
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place. - Winston Churchill
to the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)
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so i take it the dog was the arabs living in jerusalem
ouch!
 
Bino said:
so i take it the dog was the arabs living in jerusalem
ouch!
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exactly. I guess the fucker had short term memory loss cause if it wasn't for us, he'd have been executed by a German speaking dude and England would today be one of "Ze Gjermans" colonies......... :rolleyes:

Ironically the British, in the old empire days.........were just fine with the kind of behavior that the Nazi's exhibited.
 
Hitler wanted peace with England
that's why he allowed the BEF to escape at Dunkirk
 
javaguru said:
Little known fact, Nazi eugenics laws were based on US laws.
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Social eugenics was rampant in the (19)20s / 30s in the UK / US among some of the top politicians, scientists etc.

Of course, post-WW2 nobody outside of Germany was a eugenicist or ever had been :rolleyes:

Nasty thing, "politicised science".
 
AAP said:
Me thinks it was an in-house situation that they cultivated themselves.
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Exactly.

The kicker is that there is still slavery still in existence in modern day Africa! People need to wake the fuck up.

Also look at Zimbabwe. In 1980 it was the breadbasket of Africa. 10 years later Mugabe killed and expelled over 250,000 whites, and made it a pure black nation. This should have cleaned the slate and allowed Zimbabwe to flourish without Western influences. Guess what, Zimbabwe is now the poorest nation on the globe. Slavery didn't destroy Zimbabwe. Africans did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mugabe
 
really doesn't matter the color
if you have a selfish thug in charge the people suffer

africa,mexico and many south american countries just need good leadership
you don't have to be white to be a good leader
 
walliwalibus said:
So true, nor does it matter sex is my question to you............... if its cool to ask?
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what?

gender has never been an issue to me from an authority
though I have 2 sisters
one's a CPA and the other's a highly compensated computer programmer
I'm 45,one sis is 44 and the other 43 so we grew up together

partially why my criteria for a spouse is so demanding
and i see the genders as equals in most respects
certainly in intelligence as that's 70% genetically based
and obviously it takes a male and female to create
 
Spartacus said:
really doesn't matter the color
if you have a selfish thug in charge the people suffer

africa,mexico and many south american countries just need good leadership
you don't have to be white to be a good leader
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Culture plays a huge part.
 
redsamurai said:
exactly. I guess the fucker had short term memory loss cause if it wasn't for us, he'd have been executed by a German speaking dude and England would today be one of "Ze Gjermans" colonies......... :rolleyes:

Ironically the British, in the old empire days.........were just fine with the kind of behavior that the Nazi's exhibited.
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he said that in the 30's, before ww2.
and britian was never under threat of invasion and colonization
 
You answered it, thanks............... I don't see a problem with it either. But, on a post by Javaguru last night Bill Mayer (sp?) you know the HBO guy, was making fun of Hillary crying. I believe thats where I saw it. If not it was somewhere. Anyhow, yeah and people were cheering him on and it was kinda silly. Now its people like that, that are insensitive to certain situations, who have no worries because they have silly commentary shows, that influence young America.
 
Bino said:
he said that in the 30's, before ww2.
and britian was never under threat of invasion and colonization
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So Britain was talking about installing an Israeli state long before ww2??? And bro, had the U.S not stepped into the war Britain would have eventually succumbed to Ze Germans. The Germans may not have put ground troops in England, but the Luftwaffe did do a good number on London. WIthout the U.S landing in France.........they would have consolidated on Britain.........game over. And Churchill knew which is why he tossed alot of yankee salad to get us over there.
 
redsamurai said:
So Britain was talking about installing an Israeli state long before ww2??? And bro, had the U.S not stepped into the war Britain would have eventually succumbed to Ze Germans. The Germans may not have put ground troops in England, but the Luftwaffe did do a good number on London. WIthout the U.S landing in France.........they would have consolidated on Britain.........game over. And Churchill knew which is why he tossed alot of yankee salad to get us over there.
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Don't be ridiculous, the Germans had their hands full with the Soviets, they'd have consolidated on the Eastern Front.
 
redsamurai said:
So Britain was talking about installing an Israeli state long before ww2??? And bro, had the U.S not stepped into the war Britain would have eventually succumbed to Ze Germans. The Germans may not have put ground troops in England, but the Luftwaffe did do a good number on London. WIthout the U.S landing in France.........they would have consolidated on Britain.........game over. And Churchill knew which is why he tossed alot of yankee salad to get us over there.
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at no point in history has the german navy ever been close to the brit navy
and without that you could never really pwn england.
and zionism started gaining traction during ww1...the brits swindled the arabs by enticing them into uprising against the ottomans with the promise of a free arab country...only to later have the brits/france take over the vital parts of the middle east.
and that's roughly how zionism happened, decades before ww2
 
Stoßtruppe said:
Don't be ridiculous, the Germans had their hands full with the Soviets, they'd have consolidated on the Eastern Front.
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The only reason why the Soviets were able to bush back was due to US intervention. If the US were never involved in WWII whatsoever England and the USSR would have fallen.
 
What's really too bad is how fucked that continent will be as the population continues to explode in some places.

Maybe the Vatican can finally tell people to use fucking condoms
 
Stoßtruppe said:
Don't be ridiculous, the Germans had their hands full with the Soviets, they'd have consolidated on the Eastern Front.
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At the time, given the choice.........they most certainly would have consolidated on England. I mean C'mon..........given the choice between Russia and England.....??
 
Bino said:
at no point in history has the german navy ever been close to the brit navy
and without that you could never really pwn england.
and zionism started gaining traction during ww1...the brits swindled the arabs by enticing them into uprising against the ottomans with the promise of a free arab country...only to later have the brits/france take over the vital parts of the middle east.
and that's roughly how zionism happened, decades before ww2
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A) That's interesting about zionism.........not exactly an enobling story however.

B) Consider if the U.S wouldn't have intervened in France. If we hadn't gotten into the war at all.........Germany would have set up shop right across the channel and bombarded Britain for as long as they needed to with their superior air force. Eventually the British Navy would have been a mere afterthought.

I give the U.S a lot of crap for the inane and useless wars we get into.......but WW2 is not one of them. That was our last great military achievement.
 
redsamurai said:
A) That's interesting about zionism.........not exactly an enobling story however.

B) Consider if the U.S wouldn't have intervened in France. If we hadn't gotten into the war at all.........Germany would have set up shop right across the channel and bombarded Britain for as long as they needed to with their superior air force. Eventually the British Navy would have been a mere afterthought.

I give the U.S a lot of crap for the inane and useless wars we get into.......but WW2 is not one of them. That was our last great military achievement.
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the korean thing was a good cause i think...look how prosperous s.korea is compared to n.korea today, largely due to our military support.
 
Army Vet said:
The only reason why the Soviets were able to bush back was due to US intervention. If the US were never involved in WWII whatsoever England and the USSR would have fallen.
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If by US intervention you mean Russian winter then I'm inclined to agree (German forces being poorly equipped for it), added to the fact the Soviets had massive armament and troop numbers coming in from the Eastern territories Germany would have very much consolidated on the Eastern Front. Like Stalin said; "Quantity has a quality all its own".

Allies didn't win the war, Germany lost it thanks to numerous fatal decisions made by Hitler.
 
Bino said:
at no point in history has the german navy ever been close to the brit navy
and without that you could never really pwn england.
and zionism started gaining traction during ww1...the brits swindled the arabs by enticing them into uprising against the ottomans with the promise of a free arab country...only to later have the brits/france take over the vital parts of the middle east.
and that's roughly how zionism happened, decades before ww2
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air power trumps surface fleets
google force Z
 
redsamurai said:
At the time, given the choice.........they most certainly would have consolidated on England. I mean C'mon..........given the choice between Russia and England.....??
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Hitler's whole point of the hostilities was to subjugate the eastern slavs or whatever and create expansion territory for the third reich to the east
as I said before Hitler desired a separate peace with Britain
he had respect for the British
 
Spartacus said:
air power trumps surface fleets
google force Z
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and naval blockade trumps everything
how are you gonna get fuel/materials to operate, when you are cut off at the high seas/atlantic/and med?
 
Stoßtruppe said:
Yea those bloody Australians, too busy drinking beer and watching out for dingo eating babies. Still, we shouldn't expect much from colonial convicts :D

(Yea I'm aware it's Oceania / Australasia).
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lol

I have a couple of Aussie friends that I always call 'victs. Gets them so pissed.
 
yes, and no..

the strongest of the historical leaders of the tribes were attacked and killed, only the weak and cowardly were enslaved by their neighbors and sold..

but then the argument can be made, the strong from the invading tribes were the ones that survived the attacks and thus they were the ones that were the most strong and capable of surviving..

what's the aids infection in africa now??

life's a bitch..
 
Army Vet said:
The only reason why the Soviets were able to bush back was due to US intervention. If the US were never involved in WWII whatsoever England and the USSR would have fallen.
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the soviets saved moscow beginning in dec 1941
we hadn't helped by them

I think w/o US intervention the germans and soviets would have faught to a stalemate with germany retaining most if not all of pre-war poland
 
Stoßtruppe said:
Yea those bloody Australians, too busy drinking beer and watching out for dingo eating babies. Still, we shouldn't expect much from colonial convicts :D

(Yea I'm aware it's Oceania / Australasia).
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you unnappreciative fuck, what about kylie minogue? eh? no australia = no doing the locomotion

bloody poofter
 
Bino said:
and naval blockade trumps everything
how are you gonna get fuel/materials to operate, when you are cut off at the high seas/atlantic/and med?
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germany didn't need anything from overseas
except for nickel in sweden and that's beneath the luftwaffe umbrella
 
redsamurai said:
So Britain was talking about installing an Israeli state long before ww2??? And bro, had the U.S not stepped into the war Britain would have eventually succumbed to Ze Germans. The Germans may not have put ground troops in England, but the Luftwaffe did do a good number on London. WIthout the U.S landing in France.........they would have consolidated on Britain.........game over. And Churchill knew which is why he tossed alot of yankee salad to get us over there.
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Balfour made it clear in 20's that jews deserved their own state (in Palestine). And the Luftwaffe raids on London were a failure. They had no heavy bombers, V-1 and V-2 rockets didnt show up until late 1944 and the german navy never managed to control the english channels.
 
i blessed the rains down in africa
 
manny78 said:
Balfour made it clear in 20's that jews deserved their own state (in Palestine). And the Luftwaffe raids on London were a failure. They had no heavy bombers, V-1 and V-2 rockets didnt show up until late 1944 and the german navy never managed to control the english channels.
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bombing the airfields and the radar net about brought the RAF to the brink of capitulation
something the luftwaffe's light and medium bombers were capable of
then goering and hitler switched to terror bombing and that was a blunder
I believe they did this in answer to an RAF air raid on berlin

in any event the luiftwaffe's lt/med bombers were ill suited to saturation bombing
not to mention terror bombing doesn't work
3 years later the 8th airforce and RAF bomber command tried to bomb germany into oblivion
when the allies strategic bombing peaked (late '44)
germany's armaments production peaked

germany eventually starved for oil and men
 
Spartacus said:
bombing the airfields and the radar net about brought the RAF to the brink of capitulation
something the luftwaffe's light and medium bombers were capable of
then goering and hitler switched to terror bombing and that was a blunder
I believe they did this in answer to an RAF air raid on berlin

in any event the luiftwaffe's lt/med bombers were ill suited to saturation bombing
not to mention terror bombing doesn't work
3 years later the 8th airforce and RAF bomber command tried to bomb germany into oblivion
when the allies strategic bombing peaked (late '44)
germany's armaments production peaked

germany eventually starved for oil and men
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From what I read they never reached air superiority. Early versions of the BF109 were no match for the Spitfires. FW190 came a year later when England wasnt a target anymore. And if I'm correct it happened the other way. German started with terror bombing (kindda like Rotterdam) and Berlin was bombed a few days later. Goering himself had one said no RAF would fly over Germany....
 
manny78 said:
From what I read they never reached air superiority. Early versions of the BF109 were no match for the Spitfires. FW190 came a year later when England wasnt a target anymore. And if I'm correct it happened the other way. German started with terror bombing (kindda like Rotterdam) and Berlin was bombed a few days later. Goering himself had one said no RAF would fly over Germany....
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I believe the Rotterdam bombing was an accident
they were supposed to bomb in support of a german paradrop
and it went awry
I'd have to research it again
 
Battle for Rotterdam

The situation in Rotterdam on the morning of 13 May 1940, was one of a stalemate. The Dutch garrison forces under the command of Colonel Scharroo held the north bank of the Nieuwe Maas River, which runs through the city, and prevented the Germans (consisting of German airborne forces of General Student, and the newly arrived ground forces under General Schmidt (based on the 9th Panzer Division and the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, a motorized "SS" regiment) from crossing.

A Dutch counterattack led by a Dutch marine regiment had failed to re-capture the Willemsbrug road bridge, the key crossing over the river. A last gasp effort by the Dutch air force to destroy the bridge had also failed.

Gen. Schmidt had planned for a combined assault the next day, 14 May, using tanks of the 9th Panzer supported by flame throwers and combat engineers. The SS were to make an amphibious crossing of the river farther upstream and then make a flank attack through the Kralingen district. The attack was to be preceded by a massive artillery bombardment, while Gen. Schmidt had requested the support of the Luftwaffe in the form of a gruppe (about 25 aircraft) of Ju-87 Stuka precision dive-bombers.

However, General Student was the one in overall command, and also controlled all air operations. Schmidt's request for air support had to go through Student's HQ, and instead of the precision bombers, Student requested a carpet bombing attack and had replaced the Stukas, by a massed attack by Heinkel He 111 bombers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Rotterdam
 
They werent suppose to bomb at all. I believe the bombing was cancelled but for some reasons half of them never got the message the dropped their load.
 
as you can see/read the "terror" bombing of rotterdam had a genuine military objective
it wasn't designed/tasked to just destroy a bunch of dutch real estate and kill indiscriminately
 
manny78 said:
They werent suppose to bomb at all. I believe the bombing was cancelled but for some reasons half of them never got the message the dropped their load.
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Schmidt used the pending destruction of Rotterdam to force Colonel Scharroo to surrender the city without a fight. Scharroo refused to surrender, and stretched out negotiations. The original start time for the attack had been set for 13:20. Schmidt postponed this to 16:20. However, just as the Dutch negotiator was crossing over the Willemsbrug to relay this information, the drone of heavy bombers was heard.

A total of 90 bombers from Kampfgeschwader 54 (54th Bomber Regiment) were sent over the city. The German forces in the city fired flares in an attempt to warn the bombers off but only 33 bombers had seen the signals and turned back; the rest proceeded with their attack, dropping down to low level where they released 97 tonnes of bombs, mostly in the heart of the city. Some bombs ignited vegetable oil tanks on the dock side, the resulting fires spread into the city centre[1]. Why the formation had not received the abort mission order sooner remains controversial. The red flare, which the Germans claimed was meant to signal abort mission but which the most of the pilots failed to see, is said to have been used by the Germans to show their location in the city to avoid friendly fire rather than avoid the bombing at all; some argue that this is backed up by the fact that the German troops firing the flare were unaware of the time the bombers would attack, let alone that a ceasefire was set in effect.[2][3] However, this argument fails to answer as to why then about one-third of the German bombers turned back before the attack.
 
Italian East Africa (Italian: Africa Orientale Italiana, AOI) was a short-lived (1936-1941) Italian colony in Africa consisting of Ethiopia (recently occupied after the Second Italo-Abyssinian War) and the colonies of Italian Somaliland and Eritrea. In August 1940 British Somaliland was conquered and annexed to the AOI. Occasionally Libya (at the time another Italian colony in Africa) was referred to as being part of Italian East Africa, but this was uncommon and perhaps misleading.

World War II

In June 1940, at the beginning of Italy's involvement in World War II, the AOI potentially constituted a dangerous menace to British interests in Africa. From one perspective, a successful Italian attack from the AOI through the Sudan and the establishment of a connection to Italian-held Libya would have isolated vital British positions in Egypt and the Suez Canal. However, from a different perspective, the AOI itself was isolated from Italy and surrounded by British forces in the Sudan, Kenya, and British Somaliland. British forces in Aden could provide critical air and naval support against Italian naval forces operating in the Red Sea. Italian maritime transport was cut off by the British at the Suez Canal. What supplies did arrive in the AOI were generally from the air and in small quantities.

At the beginning of the East African Campaign, the Italian troops amounted to 291,000 men including native troops. Training of the native troops was poor, the Italian garrisons were too spread out, due to the extremely poor state of roads, and were essentially reduced to a static role without enough ammunitions and oil reserves (which allowed the British to conquer AOI in 1941).

East Africa Campaign northern front: Allied advances in 1941

In 1940, the adjacent colony of British Somaliland was occupied by Italian forces and absorbed into Italian East Africa. The conquest was the only victory of Italy, without reinforcement from German troops, during WWII against the Allies. This occupation lasted around one year.

On March 27, 1941 the stronghold of Cheren was captured by the British troops after a strenuous defence from general Orlando Lorenzini. After the surrender of Massaua (April 8), Eritrea was lost for Italy. The war was lost on May 1941, when the last stand on Amba Alagi under Viceroy Amedeo di Savoia, Duke of Aosta, at Amba Alagi ended honourably in face of overwhelming Allied troops. November 28 of the same year, general Guglielmo Nasi and the last Italian occupants of Gondar surrendered.

Many Italians fought a guerrilla war in the "Africa Orientale Italiana", after the surrender at Gondar of the last regular Italian forces in November 1941. From November 1941 to September 1943 there was an Italian guerrilla force made up of 7000 Italians who had not accepted surrender to the Allies. They were waiting for the possible arrival of the Italo-German army of Rommel from Egypt and the Mediterranean (called in 1942 by Mussolini "the Italian Mare Nostrum"), but after the Battle of El Alamein the momentum of this resistance slowly faded away.
 
Leo T. Crowley, "Lend Lease" in Walter Yust, ed. 10 Eventful Years (1947) 2: 858-60; 1:520.

Stuff the US shipped to the Soviet Union through the Lend-Lease program from its beginning until 30 September 1945. To put this in perspective, the Soviets produced 92 locomotives during the entire war. Lend -lease aircraft accounted for 14% of the USSR airforce(19% military aircraft).

Aircraft 14,795
Tanks 7,056
Jeeps 51,503
Trucks 375,883
Motorcycles 35,170
Tractors 8,071
Guns 8,218
Machine guns 131,633
Explosives 345,735 tons
Building equipment valued $10,910,000
Railroad freight cars 11,155
Locomotives 1,981
Cargo ships 90
Submarine hunters 105
Torpedo boats 197
Ship engines 7,784
Food supplies 4,478,000 tons
Machines and equipment $1,078,965,000
Non-ferrous metals 802,000 tons
Petroleum products 2,670,000 tons
Chemicals 842,000 tons
Cotton 106,893,000 tons
Leather 49,860 tons
Tires 3,786,000
Army boots 15,417,001 pairs
 
No. Many tribes and chiefdoms in Africa had a long standing tradition of enslaving other Africans. European slave traders often acquired slaves by buying them off of African tribes.

Perhaps European colonization stunted it's growth.

Asking what 'destroyed' Africa implies that Africa at one point was 'greater' than it is now. When was that?
 
I don't think Ethopia is anything wonderful, and I'd prefer to stay out of Algiera until - well forever.
Oh, you're refering to the slavery aspects of Africa - my bad.
Is the Suddan considered sub Saharan?
 
Powerbuilder333 said:
I don't think Ethopia is anything wonderful, and I'd prefer to stay out of Algiera until - well forever.
Oh, you're refering to the slavery aspects of Africa - my bad.
Is the Suddan considered sub Saharan?
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The European Atlantic slave trade was sub Sahara Africa.... slave trading existed in all parts of Africa for thousands of years before the Europeans colonized Africa.

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Spartacus said:
Hitler's whole point of the hostilities was to subjugate the eastern slavs or whatever and create expansion territory for the third reich to the east
as I said before Hitler desired a separate peace with Britain
he had respect for the British
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He also hated the Slavs. They were "subhuman". I believe he changed his point of attack a few times...wanting to go for the oil fields, then switching to Stalingrad for the symbolic victory, and generally not doing what his generals told him to. Also, Russia was producing T-34's one after the other. A very good tank that was easily manufactured. Winter set and fucked the Germans. Then they had to worry about the other front.
 
blackhawk60 said:
He also hated the Slavs. They were "subhuman". I believe he changed his point of attack a few times...wanting to go for the oil fields, then switching to Stalingrad for the symbolic victory, and generally not doing what his generals told him to. Also, Russia was producing T-34's one after the other. A very good tank that was easily manufactured. Winter set and fucked the Germans. Then they had to worry about the other front.
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much maligned Hitler made a few correct calls early in the war
he went with manstein's and guderian's gutsy ardennes route plan of attacke for france
he called the norway gamble
his decision to hold fast in front of moscow in the face of the soviet wintercounterattack proved to be worth taking the losses
 
Spartacus said:
air power trumps surface fleets
google force Z
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and how were they're plans gonna refuel/rearm/make repairs?
how few air craft carriers did the german navy have??? i don't think any.
i don't see how the luffawaffe coulda left the mainland, outside of strafing england...but even then, how could they stop england's massive naval trading/military force when they could get outta reach?
 
Bino said:
and how were they're plans gonna refuel/rearm/make repairs?
how few air craft carriers did the german navy have??? i don't think any.
i don't see how the luffawaffe coulda left the mainland, outside of strafing england...but even then, how could they stop england's massive naval trading/military force when they could get outta reach?
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They would only need a local air superiority to cross the channel and that was well within the capability of the Luftwaffe.
 
Bino said:
and how were they're plans gonna refuel/rearm/make repairs?
how few air craft carriers did the german navy have??? i don't think any.
i don't see how the luffawaffe coulda left the mainland, outside of strafing england...but even then, how could they stop england's massive naval trading/military force when they could get outta reach?
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what germany needed to accomplish amphibiously (i.e. cross the channel) was within landbased air cover
divide you entire u-boat fleet by two and put each half at each entrance to the english channel
the royal navy would have to enter a hornet's nest of stuka dive bombers
 
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