dextrose?

[t3c]

Whats the deal with dextrose? I hear many people say they take it pre-workout...whats it do? Energy?

 

[Warblade]

PRE workout? I take it post to replenish the glycogen stores from an intense workout. I suppose if you took it pre-workout it could give you energy, but, I doubt it would last very long.

 

[anthrax]

dextrose = glucose is a high GI carb you take postworkout for its insulin spike

 

[SOLID]

So are you guys saying that there is no need to take it preworkout to give you added energy stores to fuel you through and intense workout? Sometimes on Leg day I would drink a Ultrafuel carboforce to help me sustain energy throughout my workout, then drink another postworkout to replenish lost glycogen. I find that I can train with much more intensity that way?

 

[Warblade]

So are you guys saying that there is no need to take it preworkout to give you added energy stores to fuel you through and intense workout? Sometimes on Leg day I would drink a Ultrafuel carboforce to help me sustain energy throughout my workout, then drink another postworkout to replenish lost glycogen. I find that I can train with much more intensity that way?

Different things work for different people. Whatever you need to do to train harder, keep doing it. I was just saying that if you were to drink something with dextrose in it preworkout, that energy would probably go away quickly. If you're drinking something slowly throughout your workout, it'll probably be ok.

 

[Diesel3d]

So are you guys saying that there is no need to take it preworkout to give you added energy stores to fuel you through and intense workout? Sometimes on Leg day I would drink a Ultrafuel carboforce to help me sustain energy throughout my workout, then drink another postworkout to replenish lost glycogen. I find that I can train with much more intensity that way?

well it depends on what time of the day you lift. I lift at 6 so my first meal needs to be a fast absorbing protein with dextros or maltodextrin so i can fill my muscles up after a long night and get ready for a workout. This is a good situation for using dextros pre workout.

I drink ultrafuel as i work out too, seems to work best for me rather than having all my carbs pre workout which wear off fast. U

I lose energy and strength real fast if I don’t have ultrafuel during my workout. When i started using ultrafuel while working out all my lifts went up!. Too bad they are going to stop making it.

 

[ndn diablo]

Dextrose works good along with creatine about 20 minutes before a workout. This is because it can cause an insulin spike. What works even better is a combo of dextrose and maltodextrin. Since dextrose is used up fairly quickly, malto will slow it down.

 

[javaguru]

I've found that taking 20 g of hydro whey, 5g BCAA's and 5g Glutamine with 40g dextrose during my workout is great for energy and recovery. I have a similar drink post workout and a meal an hour after my post workout shake.

 

[Haz]

I have oats mixed with some whey, about 1 hour before going to the gym. Its something that is easy to digest, and won't bother me during my workout. I don't like working out hungry, but working out on a full stomach is just as bad. Dextrose might be absorbed too quickly, but it'll probably be good if you take it right before, or during your workout. And like Java said, mix it with some whey.

 

[OKIE]

I take dextrose with creatine with my while I'm lifting. It gives me some energy, helps replenish glycogen levels, and acts as a good transport for the creatine, then I hit the fast absorbing protein and maltodextrin with some glutamine post-workout.

 

[FitnessFrk]

taking dextrose and spiking insulin "prior" to weight training is one of the dumbest things you can do. if you try to spike insulin again post workout that spike will be far less than it could be which is when you need it the most to drive nutrients into skeletal muscle to begin the recovery process.

by ingesting simple sugars prior to weight training or any athletic event you are "training" your body to use glucose as energy. by ingesting low GI/GR complex carbs prior to weight training or an athletic event your blood sugar will be more stable and your body will use a higher percentage of energy derived from stored fats then it normally would. thus you can burn more body fat during weight training and "retain" a higher amound of muscle glycogen.

 

[FitnessFrk]

I almost forgot...high glycemic foods dull GH secretion as well.

 

[SOLID]

So Fitness frk, how would you take your creatine then? Also so you think that using a drink containing Dextrose or Maltodextrin prior or during workout for energy is Stupid? It sounds like a smart thing to do if you ask me, considering you want to train with high intensity for 60 min. I can uderstand if you pound that drink in under a minute timespan- then yes it will cause a insulin spike, but if you "sip" it along with drinking your water while training your not going to cause a huge insulin spike- it's only give your body the simple sugars to use as energy to fuel your workout. Then you pound your postworkout Drink containing simple M or D sugars to spike insulin levels.

 

[FitnessFrk]

all of the latest performance studys show the best results with creatine supplementation are show when:

1/2 (5 grams) before training and 1/2 afterwards - here if you are eating properly you should have eaten 1-1.5 hours prior to the training session. so your stomach would be virtually empty. if you were to take creatine with water prior to training it would be delivered to skeletal muscle to give that extra energy boost at the cellular level during resistance training.

1 serving (10 grams) post workout taken with high GI/GR sugars- this is the best method as the creatine will be delievered to skeletal muscle with the push provided from the insulin spike. Not only will creatine stores be replenished but creatine aids in the storage and production of ATP which is the bilogical energy source for all anabolic and catabolic funcitions in the body.


if a high GI/GR carbs is consumed immediately before training the onset of physical activity will surpress the insulin spike. but you are still training your body to use glycogen as it's primary energy source during weight training. if the high GI/GR carb is consumed with enough time to allow insulin to spike (say 20 minutes) the attempt to spike insulin again after training that spike will be much less, when it is the most usefull.

 

[Creatureofnight]

I totally disagree w/ what your saying fitness freak. Taking dextrose along w/ a an easy digestable protein powder (whey) pre workout will raise insulin levels and prime muscles to better the uptake of your postworkout meal. Along w/ added energy during your workout.

 

[SOLID]

all of the latest performance studys show the best results with creatine supplementation are show when:

1/2 (5 grams) before training and 1/2 afterwards - here if you are eating properly you should have eaten 1-1.5 hours prior to the training session. so your stomach would be virtually empty. if you were to take creatine with water prior to training it would be delivered to skeletal muscle to give that extra energy boost at the cellular level during resistance training.

HOW DOES THE CREATINE GIVE AN EXTRA ENERGY BOOST? WHY NOT ADD A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF DEXTROSE TO PREWORKOUT CREATINE, SAY 10GMS - THAT WONT BE ENOUGH TO CAUSE A INSULIN SPIKE?

1 serving (10 grams) post workout taken with high GI/GR sugars- this is the best method as the creatine will be delievered to skeletal muscle with the push provided from the insulin spike. Not only will creatine stores be replenished but creatine aids in the storage and production of ATP which is the bilogical energy source for all anabolic and catabolic funcitions in the body.

YES.



if a high GI/GR carbs is consumed immediately before training the onset of physical activity will surpress the insulin spike. but you are still training your body to use glycogen as it's primary energy source during weight training. if the high GI/GR carb is consumed with enough time to allow insulin to spike (say 20 minutes) the attempt to spike insulin again after training that spike will be much less, when it is the most usefull. [/QUOTE

NOT CONSUMED IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO TRAINING> DURING TRAINING - SIPPING ON A CARB DRINK THROUGHOUT YOUR WORKOUT- THAT WAY LARGE AMOUNTS ARE NOT INGESTED ALL AT ONCE- THEREFORE PREVENTING AN INSULIN SPIKE.

 

[FitnessFrk]

You are not disagreeing with me you are in disagreement with PROVEN results from the latest in study’s done in human performance labs.

I think I will believe Dr. Wolf's studies from Texas vs. the "unproven" opinion from Creatureofnight at EF.

 

[FitnessFrk]

oh I almost forgot...there is no reason to "prime" the body by consuming anything during exercise. resistance training in itself already does that !

 

[FitnessFrk]

the onset of resistance training stimulates the release insulin and also increases insulin sensitivity...

 

[SOLID]

PROVEN results from the latest in study’s done in human performance labs.

I think I will believe Dr. Wolf's studies from Texas

FF- can you post this please.



oh I almost forgot...there is no reason to "prime" the body by consuming anything during exercise. resistance training in itself already does that !

not talking in the sense of priming the body - talking in the sence that by sipping a carb drink while working out you will give you more energy to use for training...therefore train harder for longer.

 

[Creatureofnight]

FF- I could care less whose theories you believe, bottom line is i have tried both ways and found having A DEX/WHEY drink prior to working out has helped tremendously w/ gains and overall workout endurance.

Speaking of posting results, i believe someone has allready posted whats ideal pre,during and postworkout meals were a month or so ago when Frackal brought up a point on how he had an ideal preworkout meal.

If you go back and look, it will be under a post like "Challenge: to come up w/ a better preworkout meal"

 

[SOLID]

DId a search on it Creatureofthenizight...couldn't find it...
what they come up with?

fill me in bra