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Decca Dbol Test E - My first Cycle

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Jswole34

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Cycle
Test Enanthate - 500mg / week (1cc or 250mg every 3 days) Week 1-12
Deca - 275 mg / week (.5cc every 3 days) Week 1-10
Dbol - 8 tabs a day (40 mg every day) Week 1-4

Support products
Proviron - As needed
Milk Thistle - 3 200mg pills daily in morning (600mgs a day) Enough?
Vitamins - GNC Mens daily
Water - 1 gallon a day. Enough?

Personal Stats
Stats
Age 34
Height 5’9
Weight 208
Body Fat 18%
Hips 40.25
Thigh 24.25
Torso 33.25
Upper Arm 16.5
Chest 41
Shoulders 51.75

Workout Stats
Bench 365
Squat 450
Press 1000
Curl 150

Diet
6 eggs in morning
big scoop of low fat penaute buter
plenty of oatmeal
2 chicken breast with rice for lunch
1 can of tuna every day
3 big potatoes a day
3-4 protein shakes a day
sandwich for pre-work out meal
Healthy high protein dinner

I play Full Back in an adult tackle football league. I run a 4.5 40. I am 2 weeks deep on my first cycle ever! I did a lot of reading where guys said not to do this specific cycle on a first go at it but I have a limited time to play football and I couldn't wait. So here I am. I started my cycle at 197 two weeks ago and today I weighted in at 208, 11 pounds of solid muscle in 2 weeks! It doesn't feel or look like water weight! And I picked my bench up from 340 to 365 in two weeks! I'll update again soon!

Concerns! I have been feeling some pain in my lower back, I think it may be my kidneys. I may not be drinking enough water. How much water should I be drinking? Is a gallon a day enough? Or I may be eating to much protein. How much is to much? I have been eating up to 400 grams a day (usually no more then 50 grams per sitting) for a 200 pound guy. I have read in some places that's to much and that could present problems for your kidneys.

Also, I ran out of needles & syringes and ordered more. My new order should be here any day but in the mean time I used 28 gauge x 1/2 (12.7mm) size needles today. I was using 1 inch needles. Is it a problem that I am using this 1/2 size needles. I have heard you need a 1 inch needle to go deeper in the muscle for the injection. Is this true? It didn't seem to be a problem. I limited my injection to the shoulder with this small needle.

Look forward to getting some feedback as this is my first cycle ever. I did 3 pro-hormone cycles with Forza-T from instone. Great product but now I am ready for the real shit!
 
I don't see any mention of post cycle therapy, whats your plan? Do you have an aromatase inhibitor, in case of gyno? You should read the sticky: New post cycle therapy for 2008. Sounds like you know what your doing, just make sure your pct is in check and in stock before you start next time. Alway's have everything you need before you start, that way if a problem arises you don't have to scramble around trying to find it.
 
Jswole34 said:
Cycle
Test Enanthate - 500mg / week (1cc or 250mg every 3 days) Week 1-12
Deca - 275 mg / week (.5cc every 3 days) Week 1-10
Dbol - 8 tabs a day (40 mg every day) Week 1-4

Support products
Proviron - As needed
Milk Thistle - 3 200mg pills daily in morning (600mgs a day) Enough?
Vitamins - GNC Mens daily
Water - 1 gallon a day. Enough?

Personal Stats
Stats
Age 34
Height 5’9
Weight 208
Body Fat 18%
Hips 40.25
Thigh 24.25
Torso 33.25
Upper Arm 16.5
Chest 41
Shoulders 51.75

Workout Stats
Bench 365
Squat 450
Press 1000
Curl 150

Diet
6 eggs in morning
big scoop of low fat penaute buter
plenty of oatmeal
2 chicken breast with rice for lunch
1 can of tuna every day
3 big potatoes a day
3-4 protein shakes a day
sandwich for pre-work out meal
Healthy high protein dinner

I play Full Back in an adult tackle football league. I run a 4.5 40. I am 2 weeks deep on my first cycle ever! I did a lot of reading where guys said not to do this specific cycle on a first go at it but I have a limited time to play football and I couldn't wait. So here I am. I started my cycle at 197 two weeks ago and today I weighted in at 208, 11 pounds of solid muscle in 2 weeks! It doesn't feel or look like water weight! And I picked my bench up from 340 to 365 in two weeks! I'll update again soon!

Concerns! I have been feeling some pain in my lower back, I think it may be my kidneys. I may not be drinking enough water. How much water should I be drinking? Is a gallon a day enough? Or I may be eating to much protein. How much is to much? I have been eating up to 400 grams a day (usually no more then 50 grams per sitting) for a 200 pound guy. I have read in some places that's to much and that could present problems for your kidneys.

Also, I ran out of needles & syringes and ordered more. My new order should be here any day but in the mean time I used 28 gauge x 1/2 (12.7mm) size needles today. I was using 1 inch needles. Is it a problem that I am using this 1/2 size needles. I have heard you need a 1 inch needle to go deeper in the muscle for the injection. Is this true? It didn't seem to be a problem. I limited my injection to the shoulder with this small needle.

Look forward to getting some feedback as this is my first cycle ever. I did 3 pro-hormone cycles with Forza-T from instone. Great product but now I am ready for the real shit!
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those three compounds are kick ass when used together, they have a good synergy effect , most people will say run test only maybe some dbol ,cause if you get problems you wont know what is causing it, but i dont see anything wrong with it, looks like you have done your home work, just increase water intake to 1.5gallons or 2, and also might want to run some dostinex when using deca , as low as 250mgs of deca it gave me little gyno,

peace
 
79steeler said:
I don't see any mention of post cycle therapy, whats your plan? Do you have an aromatase inhibitor, in case of gyno? You should read the sticky: New post cycle therapy for 2008. Sounds like you know what your doing, just make sure your pct is in check and in stock before you start next time. Alway's have everything you need before you start, that way if a problem arises you don't have to scramble around trying to find it.
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Right.


I would also just go with test-e onl for a first cycle.
 
My kidneys are really starting to give me some problems! I think it is probably the DBol! I am considering cutting it out prematurly. It's only been 2 weeks and a day and I was going to go 4 weeks.
 
Jswole34 said:
My kidneys are really starting to give me some problems! I think it is probably the DBol! I am considering cutting it out prematurly. It's only been 2 weeks and a day and I was going to go 4 weeks.
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drop the dose to 30mg. with test deca and dbol, you ony need 30mg dbol MAX especially for a first time.


And sorry to tell you atleast 70% of that weight you have gained is water and/or fat. nobody gains 11lbs of solid muscle in 2 weeks. it is impossible. I'd say 2 to 3 pounds at most of that is solid muscle, which still is an insane amount of muscle to gain in 2 weeks.

amd take the proviron 50mg on a daily basis as part of your cycle, it will amplify the effects of testosterone and help with bloat and estrogen.
 
Jswole34 said:
My kidneys are really starting to give me some problems! I think it is probably the DBol! I am considering cutting it out prematurly. It's only been 2 weeks and a day and I was going to go 4 weeks.
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describe this kidney problem exactly?
 
dabuffguy said:
drop the dose to 30mg. with test deca and dbol, you ony need 30mg dbol MAX especially for a first time.


And sorry to tell you atleast 70% of that weight you have gained is water and/or fat. nobody gains 11lbs of solid muscle in 2 weeks. it is impossible. I'd say 2 to 3 pounds at most of that is solid muscle, which still is an insane amount of muscle to gain in 2 weeks.

amd take the proviron 50mg on a daily basis as part of your cycle, it will amplify the effects of testosterone and help with bloat and estrogen.
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Wow thanks!
 
Jswole34 said:
Wow thanks!
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no problem. overvieweing your diet you described, 400gm of protein is overkill. at 200 lbs, 300gm of protein is plenty. don't take 3-4 shakes a day. just 2 is enough. if you eat 2 chicken breasts for lunch, you'll have 70 grams of slow digesting protein in your system for 12 hours at least. take a small 20 gram whey shake in the morning to get your blood protein levels up, and then post workout. that's all you need. maybe a casein shake before bed, but if you have meat at night, you don't need it.
 
8and20 said:
describe this kidney problem exactly?
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It's a real SHARP pain in my lower back, right where kidneys are. It started about one week deep into my cycle but very slight. It seems to have gotten worse progressively. With the timing I am almost sure that it is due to my cycle. Any idea's? I am thinking because I'm injecting the Test & the Decca that i'm by-passing the kidneys. So it would either be the milk thislte or the Dbol and I am assuming the Dbol.
 
Jswole34 said:
It's a real SHARP pain in my lower back, right where kidneys are. It started about one week deep into my cycle but very slight. It seems to have gotten worse progressively. With the timing I am almost sure that it is due to my cycle. Any idea's? I am thinking because I'm injecting the Test & the Decca that i'm by-passing the kidneys. So it would either be the milk thislte or the Dbol and I am assuming the Dbol.
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drop the dbol and see if it improves. if not see a doctor. i have heard of people complaining of kidney pain. not sure the exact cause of why dbol can do that though.
 
GUARDIAN said:
drop the dbol and see if it improves. if not see a doctor. i have heard of people complaining of kidney pain. not sure the exact cause of why dbol can do that though.
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I am pretty sure that the kidney pains was due to me not drinking enough water. While I was drinking like 1/2 a gallon of water a day for the first 2 weeks of my cyle everytime I pissed it was hella yellow and my kidneys gave me big problems. Once I uped it to more then a gallon a day my piss is the right color and I have LESS pain in my lower back. I have started taking the dbol again and it appears to be fine!

New Problem! I woke up this morning with nipple sensitivity and I can tell I have the BEGGINNING stages of breast tissue formation (very small lumps or hardness, nothing serious as this is the first time I have felt anything). I am now going to start taking the Proviron which should address that issue as it will prevent estrogen build up in the body. I am expecting BIG IMPROVEMENTS TO MY CYCLE FROM THIS POINT ON!

I am looking great and my strength is jumping up like crazy. 3 weeks ago I could only do 19 reps of 225 on bench and yesterday I did 26. That's NFL status!!! I have lost body fat and am right about 10lbs bigger. I am starting to see muscles in my stomach that I have NEVER HAD. I heard that's what starts to happen 3 weeks deep in the cycle.
 
proviron might not be enuf. u may want to start running an ai.

Jswole34 said:
I am pretty sure that the kidney pains was due to me not drinking enough water. While I was drinking like 1/2 a gallon of water a day for the first 2 weeks of my cyle everytime I pissed it was hella yellow and my kidneys gave me big problems. Once I uped it to more then a gallon a day my piss is the right color and I have LESS pain in my lower back. I have started taking the dbol again and it appears to be fine!

New Problem! I woke up this morning with nipple sensitivity and I can tell I have the BEGGINNING stages of breast tissue formation (very small lumps or hardness, nothing serious as this is the first time I have felt anything). I am now going to start taking the Proviron which should address that issue as it will prevent estrogen build up in the body. I am expecting BIG IMPROVEMENTS TO MY CYCLE FROM THIS POINT ON!

I am looking great and my strength is jumping up like crazy. 3 weeks ago I could only do 19 reps of 225 on bench and yesterday I did 26. That's NFL status!!! I have lost body fat and am right about 10lbs bigger. I am starting to see muscles in my stomach that I have NEVER HAD. I heard that's what starts to happen 3 weeks deep in the cycle.
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Jswole34 said:
So what do you suggest for the AI?
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if u actually have lumps i would be tempted to bust out the letrozole. taper off of that and switch to a small dose of aromasin or adex and stay on that for the remainder of the cycle. it is most likely the dbol. u may be able to get away with not using an ai after the lump is gone and u r off the dbol but i wouldnt risk it.
 
GUARDIAN said:
if u actually have lumps i would be tempted to bust out the letrozole. taper off of that and switch to a small dose of aromasin or adex and stay on that for the remainder of the cycle. it is most likely the dbol. u may be able to get away with not using an ai after the lump is gone and u r off the dbol but i wouldnt risk it.
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ok, thanks!
 
GUARDIAN said:
if u actually have lumps i would be tempted to bust out the letrozole. taper off of that and switch to a small dose of aromasin or adex and stay on that for the remainder of the cycle. it is most likely the dbol. u may be able to get away with not using an ai after the lump is gone and u r off the dbol but i wouldnt risk it.
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Currious... What makes you think it could be the dbol??
 
GUARDIAN said:
if u actually have lumps i would be tempted to bust out the letrozole. taper off of that and switch to a small dose of aromasin or adex and stay on that for the remainder of the cycle. it is most likely the dbol. u may be able to get away with not using an ai after the lump is gone and u r off the dbol but i wouldnt risk it.
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Would taking a Pro-hormone like 6-oxo not be a solution?
 
Jswole34 said:
Currious... What makes you think it could be the dbol??
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aromatizes worse than test and he got gyno so soon in the cycle. it is just a hunch. it could be the deca. but in any case i would still treat it with letro.

i hope he has cabergoline on hand just in case as well.
 
GUARDIAN said:
aromatizes worse than test and he got gyno so soon in the cycle. it is just a hunch. it could be the deca. but in any case i would still treat it with letro.

i hope he has cabergoline on hand just in case as well.
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I have a product from American Cellular Labs called Estro Extreme which is marketed as a "Powerful Estrogen Blocker" which stops Gyno. However, I wounder if this is really going to work. Although this product may reduce estrogen and I believe it's a prohormon with 6-oxo. That increases ones natural production of Test and reduces estrogen but with every injection it will immediately shot down my test. So then the test that I build up will go right away 3 days later when I inject.

So then is it a bad idea to take a pro-hormone or natural test producer. It seems counter productive????????
 
i wouldnt put any faith in those products to work. we would all be using them if they did.

Jswole34 said:
I have a product from American Cellular Labs called Estro Extreme which is marketed as a "Powerful Estrogen Blocker" which stops Gyno. However, I wounder if this is really going to work. Although this product may reduce estrogen and I believe it's a prohormon with 6-oxo. That increases ones natural production of Test and reduces estrogen but with every injection it will immediately shot down my test. So then the test that I build up will go right away 3 days later when I inject.

So then is it a bad idea to take a pro-hormone or natural test producer. It seems counter productive????????
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