Deca mess after 11 years

[muskate]

Thanks for your reply too mate really appreciated.

As for TRT i would go straight to it if my T levels were low but thats not the case and a TRT would inhibit both LH and FSH in presence of exogenous T..

So instead of inhibiting two hormones (from which LH is in normal range) to receive more T (which also IS in normal range) i am trying to figure out how i could stimulate my HPTA to produce more FSH to a normal range..

I am also trying to figure out how to lower that progesterone levels because its way too high from normal, though E2 and Prolactin are normal.

After years i've learned the magic our body can achieve by its own and how effective is to learn to use our own hormones instead of looking arround..

The best way to increase FSH and LH without any suppression is to use a good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com

Check out this article on HCGenerate ES -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...te-extra-strength-version-reviewed-27476.html

The product has a lot of science behind it and I think it would really help your situation.

When your testosterone levels get back to normal, your progesterone levels should bounce back to normal.

 

[PossiBill]

When your testosterone levels get back to normal, your progesterone levels should bounce back to normal.

Thanks again all of you guys for your time!

Muskate, man isn't 6.95 out of 8 a normal range T?

How can progesterone be so high when T is in normal range?

I am wondering if that Deca Dbol combo added up to progesterone back then and how to drop it down..

At the end i read up about HcGenerate looks like a nice supp. and i can add it to a strong PCT but not alone, i would like to make a more aggressive approach to my HPTA after all those years so it can finally "wake up" because i can feel it its right there but something disturbs it..

I saw on other posts arround some guys claim that after Deca dick they made a cycle of Test and a proper PCT and they got back running but that would be my last option..

Before i run anything i will post it here so i can hear your thoughts, for now i think the gyno protocol 3 is the way to go, adding up clomid & HcGenerate to stimulate HPTA, while letro will lower E2 levels hopefully draging down Progesterone together..

I read that Tamoxifen reduces the effectiveness of letro is that true? If so what would be a better combo to use arimidex with tamoxifen or letro with another SERM?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ you still do not grasp the fact that throwing drugs at the problem does not 'wake up' your HPTA

only your own body can 'wake up' you cannot force it to with drugs and hormones. if such a thing was possible then nobody would ever need HRT for life.

PCT is pointless for you at this stage. the point of pct is to provide a soft landing after you come off steroids. people who tell you to run a pct at this stage are either badly confused or just trying to sell you drugs. be aware a lot of guys on those forums you are getting your info are sitting in cubicles in India and getting a commission for getting you to buy their hcg, nolva, etc.

this is why we are telling you to utilize NATURAL and non hormonal supplements that will make you feel good and not interfere with your body.

 

[PossiBill]

^^^ you still do not grasp the fact that throwing drugs at the problem does not 'wake up' your HPTA

only your own body can 'wake up' you cannot force it to with drugs and hormones. if such a thing was possible then nobody would ever need HRT for life.

PCT is pointless for you at this stage. the point of pct is to provide a soft landing after you come off steroids. people who tell you to run a pct at this stage are either badly confused or just trying to sell you drugs. be aware a lot of guys on those forums you are getting your info are sitting in cubicles in India and getting a commission for getting you to buy their hcg, nolva, etc.

this is why we are telling you to utilize NATURAL and non hormonal supplements that will make you feel good and not interfere with your body.

Point taken.
Thank you very much stevesmi and all you guys here, i will focus on making my routine better, at the end i need to chill a bit, too much stress for the last months..

 

[Zinergy]

How could Nolvadex make the problem worse?
Doesnt nolvadex suposse to stimulate natural LH and FSH production?

No it actually acts as LH and FSH further suppressing your LH and FSH.

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

Honestly I would just stop taking any drugs including SERMs. After 11 years the deca is well and gone from your system so whatever damage was done is done. There is no way to "kick start" HPTA. At this point it is what it is but remember that libido can be affected by a lot of factors. If you have a good libido and just some ED concerns why not just ask your doctor about Cialis or Viagra? That can help in that area at least. I would book an appointment with an endo to get that progesterone looked at though.

 

[Deadp00l]

Hey how are you doing, WOW after 11 years and Deca is still messing with you, that scares the sh*t out of me since I am also recovering from a Deca/Sus cycle.

Can you please tell me the symptoms your experiencing ?

 

[Deadp00l]

Hey [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]stevesmi, [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Can you please help me bro ?[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I took my first cycle which was a sus/deca cycle about a year ago (last May/March), I was a noob and still am noob. I only took the cycle cause I had a laburm tear in my shoulder and wanted to return to training ASAP ! worst decision ever but a great life lesson i guess....[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Anyways fast forward I've been experiencing all stuff of f*cked up sexual [/FONT]dysfunctional for the past 7 months, firstly it feels as my dicks not getting hard as it should, secondly the last 7 months ive nearly PE every single time ive had sex with my girl (who has now left me now after 8 years .. ) < I don't know if this correlated with me masturbating too much to reach climax fast ! recently I have had 0 libido ! like legit zero this hoty was talking to me today I had zero interest I don't know if this has to do with my break up causes its kinda fucked me up mentally.. and i cant even remember the last time I had a random boner. Do you guys even get them anymore ? like last week i was thinking about sex it got me like mildy hard..

Morning woods are a hit and miss. I keep having dreams that im so horny I am gonna bust ?

I am 23 btw i took the cycle when I was 22..

Here are my bloods bro everything came back "normal".

FSH 8.9 IU/L (1.5-9.7)
LH 5.2 IU/L (1.8-9.2)
Prolactin 150 mIU/L (90-400)
Oestradiol 80 pmol/L (<160)
Test 16.6 nmol/L (12 - 31.9)
SHBG 30 nmol/L (17-56)
FreeTest 366 pmol/L (260-740)
TSH 1.68 Mu/L (0.5-5.5)
FT4 16.4 pmol/L
FT3 5.2 pmol/L

HCT 0.52 H (0.39-0.51) < I'm assuming the Deca is still in my system ??

anyways mans I wanted to ask you if I fucked myself up FOREVER or if you reckon I recover and any advice that might help me...

I don't really wanna throw any drugs at my HPTA, I am currently just trying to be healthy and taking testojack 200 in hopes that over the months I will recover.. but I don't man this has fucked with me mentally pretty hard. I keep thinking my girl left cause of the PE problems, fuck i just wanna feel normal what ever that is..

I was thinking of taking some cabergoline at a mild dose to help with the libido ? but my prolactin is not elevated

Please man help us out.


PS sorry for hijacking the thread.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ one thing you didn't test is DHT levels in your body

when you run nandrolone it binds to DHT receptors. DHT is our sex hormone. all those problems you are having is related to that nandrolone messing with your DHT

this is why it is really a dumb idea to use DHT blocker drugs like fina or duta (trannies use those btw).

the way to prevent this problem in the first place is using proviron on cycle. proviron is a DHT derivative.

i wouldn't use proviron now, but what you can do is use something that binds well to SHBG, to free up more free test, and to increase DHT that way. the more free test you have the more DHT gets metabolized. so get yourself a bottle of hcgenerate. 2 of its ingredients bind very well to SHBG, thus increasing DHT.. you will feel better.

 

[Deadp00l]

Thanks for the replay man your a legend!

I defs will get my DHT levels checked ASAP!

I'm having trouble locating a trustworthy source for HCGenerate in AU but i'll defs work on it....

Your reckon if I eat right train hard over the couple months my DHT levels will rise ??

Got any other sups that would recommend me taking ?? So I can defs recover from this bullsh*t ? ?

Thanks again