deca and anavar only

[malik123]

hey im new to this forum

i just want some help and advise i dont want to lose any hair which i have in the passed with dianabol but thats beacuse i abaused it but my any is all back now

i did some research and found that deca and anavar is safe, probilem is that for deca everyone says you need test but test causes hair loss

and plus i have no idea of where to get finasteride from so

can i take deca and anavar only without a test base

 

[bigbassturd]

Bro what makes you think we are so stupid that we have forgotten the thread you made like four hours ago?

Deca and var do opposite things.

If you are worried about hairloss, go to needtobuildmuscle.com and order some N2Shampoo. It will stop shedding.

 

[malik123]

wellli only came to get some help but some one closed that forum i just ant help

does test cause hair loss has anyone experienced it

 

[bigbassturd]

Steroids don't 'cause' hairloss.

They speed up the process, but if you are prone to MPB, doesn't matter. You're going to lose it eventually.

All AAS have the potential to speed up shedding. That's why products like N2Shampoo exist

 

[malik123]

im from the uk and the qustion is can i take deca on its own

 

[noodles1010]

Yea u can... Doesn't mean it's the best idea I've had all day but it can be done.
Deca is a bitch to recover from. How many cycles have u done before? Npp is similar but shorter ester. Should make for a easier and better recovery. I'd recommend a test base with either bud

 

[Leather Neck]

Dude your unreal, have you done any research all? I would say no. Your other thread got closed because your too young. You clearly don't know shit about nandrolone or juice of any kind.

 

[Liquid 2009]

I would do some more learning before you jump into anything. Learn what causes hair loss when taking AAS, learn what each compound does, etc. Most importantly, do yourself a favor and focus on training and diet. That will get you a lot further in the game than any cycle will. You are young enough to gain some nice muscle without the need of any juice. Without that knowledge you will not go anywhere.

 

[bonacris]

Your also only 65kg so I would suggest trying to eat and leave the steroids for people who have a clue.. you last thread was closed cos tour only 21 and weight as much as some girls

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[hurricane]

deca is one of the LAST steriods i would advise to be taken without test.Not a wise choice good friend.

 

[stevesmi]

you shouldn't run deca at 21 period as a first cycle.

forget it. its a very stingy and long ester and its just not a good idea for someone who doesn't know what they are doing.

you are only 150 pounds and trying to do a short cut, i know exactly what you are thinking. build a base first.

 

[shirlene29]

^^^ agreed

work on getting to maximum genetic potential first then consider gear

go google that...theres a million calculators for figuring it out.

 

[Essie]

If you use Deca without Test, your ability to get an erection will be SERIOUSLY impeded. You will look at the most beautiful women you have ever seen with the closest bodies to perfect imagineable, but you won't get it up. If you want to use Deca you have to add Test - period. Another thing about Deca, even if you run Test with it, is that it is one of the compounds which is the hardest to recover from after your cycle is over. It can be recovered from fully, but your on-cycle support and your PCT HAS TO BE SPOT ON!

To answer your question ... No, do not use Deca without a Test.

 

[noodles1010]

^^^ strongly agree. Getting blood drawn as we speak because of that bitch named deca. Death to deca! Never again lol

 

[Jbranken]

^^^ strongly agree. Getting blood drawn as we speak because of that bitch named deca. Death to deca! Never again lol

Lmfao! Gl with your deca dick bro

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ strongly agree. Getting blood drawn as we speak because of that bitch named deca. Death to deca! Never again lol

you ran test with deca but still have problems because of the progesterone..

so to essie above NO running test does not help with deca dick. that is dangerous and wreckless advice to give.

test does NOT block progesterone, i have to post this over and over and the guys that ignore this advice end up in big trouble. test will actually make progesterone WORSE!!! because test aromatizes!!

gotta run anti-prolactin + a lot of AI's.. i recommend a caber, forma, aromasin stack with any cycle involving 'deca' from day 1. don't wait until you start noticing issues. and never ever touch nolva when dealing with deca. seen a lot of guys get gyno AFTER cycle because they used nolva and still had a small amount of deca esters in their system

and you actually would LESSEN the chance of deca dick running deca alone without test. because deca by itself would aromatize far less than if you would stack it with test. and then people stack dbol on top of that.. good lord i have seen guys with 350 estradiol levels on that stack even WITH an AI. and you wonder why deca dick is so common

 

[noodles1010]

Lmfao! Gl with your deca dick bro

nahhh gtfo wit that shit lmao.

i ran deca test and var... my problem is test recovery... pct was botched. here i am a year later still bouncing test levels back...
i feel so much better than i used to... ran like 4 pcts this year. and got a little better each time
progesterone, prolactin, estradiol,ect ect is all a ok. my lh and fsh is ok.. just test was low. 326 last time. pre cycle was about 432 so even then i was a tad low @ 29 yrs old. now im 30. well see... ill post up results on my log on that in the next week.


running test on deca cycles just helps the overall cycle, the AIs are fucking key tho like steve said. the more compounds u add to a cycle the more sides you are open to. some compounds actually enhance the sides of other compounds because ur hitting them double time now if that makes sense.
point is, u can do whatever u want really as long as the ai is on point... doesnt mean its a good idea tho and that u cant get better results another way, you can. there is always more than 1 way to skin a cat

 

[ledhead]

I would not even waste my time giving this kid/guy any advice; he is going to do it regardless of how many people come in here in tell him his cycle will indeed be detrimental to his health. It is called," irrespective of evidence to the contrary." 3rd grade psychology works best on these boards; if everyone would tell him his cycle is good he probably would not do it.

 

[RADAR]

Some people get Deca Dick regardless what compounds you add to try to prevent it ,and guess what Deca lingers in your body up to 18 months,so you might as well forget about girls for a while....Heck the vadican is looking for a new pope you should sign up!

 

[wootoom]

How old is this guy...sounds young

 

[noodles1010]

Some people get Deca Dick regardless what compounds you add to try to prevent it ,and guess what Deca lingers in your body up to 18 months,so you might as well forget about girls for a while....Heck the vadican is looking for a new pope you should sign up!

Rotflmao ur bad bro lmao

 

[joeblow12345]

At this point you are nowhere near ready to use any steroid especially one as complicated as deca. Spend a few years eating and training while doing your homework. And if your ever worried about hairloss I suggest trying n2shampoo before trying finasteride.

 

[Essie]

so to essie above NO running test does not help with deca dick. that is dangerous and wreckless advice to give.

test does NOT block progesterone, i have to post this over and over and the guys that ignore this advice end up in big trouble. test will actually make progesterone WORSE!!! because test aromatizes!!

gotta run anti-prolactin + a lot of AI's.. i recommend a caber, forma, aromasin stack with any cycle involving 'deca' from day 1. don't wait until you start noticing issues. and never ever touch nolva when dealing with deca. seen a lot of guys get gyno AFTER cycle because they used nolva and still had a small amount of deca esters in their system

and you actually would LESSEN the chance of deca dick running deca alone without test. because deca by itself would aromatize far less than if you would stack it with test. and then people stack dbol on top of that.. good lord i have seen guys with 350 estradiol levels on that stack even WITH an AI. and you wonder why deca dick is so common

Cool ... now I knows!

 

[stevesmi]

if you want to go the nandro route go with NPP. .. if you want a longer ester just forget about nandro and go with something like EQ IMO

 

[cop]

gonna try this one out and see what happens..no more test due hairloss so : a npp 300/week and 40 mg anavar or tbol for 6 weeks and caber/forma and aromasin from day one....mmh PCT ??? Forma and ostarine or caber/forma/aromasin for another 3 weeks ???

 

[RADAR]

gonna try this one out and see what happens..no more test due hairloss so : a npp 300/week and 40 mg anavar or tbol for 6 weeks and caber/forma and aromasin from day one....mmh PCT ??? Forma and ostarine or caber/forma/aromasin for another 3 weeks ???

Its still a nandrolone all thats different is the ester is shorter, honestly you would get alot better results with EQ with a whole lot less sides.

 

[cop]

thanks radar...what dose of EQ do you have in mind ? I did a 400 EQ/w cycle a few years ago and I noticed some serious shedding...

 

[RADAR]

thanks radar...what dose of EQ do you have in mind ? I did a 400 EQ/w cycle a few years ago and I noticed some serious shedding...

Thats the same dosage i ran ,the shedding can be controlled by adding nizoral shampoo or Need2's shampoo, of course if you have a genetic hairloss in the family you may still have hairloss issues.

 

[stevesmi]

n2shampoo is awesome .. use it and use it often. i love the stuff.. i use it everyday myself.

 

[ledhead]

you ran test with deca but still have problems because of the progesterone..

so to essie above NO running test does not help with deca dick. that is dangerous and wreckless advice to give.

test does NOT block progesterone, i have to post this over and over and the guys that ignore this advice end up in big trouble. test will actually make progesterone WORSE!!! because test aromatizes!!

gotta run anti-prolactin + a lot of AI's.. i recommend a caber, forma, aromasin stack with any cycle involving 'deca' from day 1. don't wait until you start noticing issues. and never ever touch nolva when dealing with deca. seen a lot of guys get gyno AFTER cycle because they used nolva and still had a small amount of deca esters in their system

and you actually would LESSEN the chance of deca dick running deca alone without test. because deca by itself would aromatize far less than if you would stack it with test. and then people stack dbol on top of that.. good lord i have seen guys with 350 estradiol levels on that stack even WITH an AI. and you wonder why deca dick is so common

It would be virtually impossible for Test to make Progesterone worse because Progesterone is a "precursor" to testosterone. In other words, the increase of Progesterone increases testosterone not vice versa, this is a biological fact. It is true that test aromatizes into estrogen but we need to know what the role of estrogen is in relation to progesterone. Progesterone is also a precursor to estradiol, however, when estrogen levels rise progesterone levels plummet. Consequently, the aromatizing effects of test make absolutely no impact on raising progesterone levels, actually, it is the opposite.

Now, I think you are making progesterone and prolactin synonymous, which frequently happens because this is a vast subject. Progesterone and prolactin are totally two different hormones, which they should not be confused with one another.

Prolactin is a hormone released from the anterior pituitary gland that stimulates milk production after childbirth.

Regarding prolactin, adrogens decrease prolactin levels whereas estrogens increase prolactin. Non-amomatizing androgens have never been shown to elevate prolactin levels, but test has, due to its aromatization to estradiol. Progesterone upregulates the prolactin receptors but NOT in breast tissue. Prolactin may have a direct stimulatory effect on mammary tissue development, but only in the presence of "high estrogen levels." Prolactin "needs" estrogen to cause gyno. Therefore, elevated estrogen is the main culprit to prolactin gyno; if estrogen is checked then prolactin will be checked.

There is no reason for people to automatically insert dopaminergics when running 19-Nors as long as estrogen is checked. The focus when running 19-Nors and aromatizing steroids should always be on combating estrogen.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ so what would you recommend you run with tren? just an AI? no caber? assuming you are running tren alone with no test. i've always wondered if AI's with just 19nors are needed. according to bloods i have taken they are not.. my last tren cycle my estradiol was only 19 during cycle

when i ran deca though my levels were 300 .. even with AI's.

 

[ledhead]

^^^ so what would you recommend you run with tren? just an AI? no caber? assuming you are running tren alone with no test. i've always wondered if AI's with just 19nors are needed. according to bloods i have taken they are not.. my last tren cycle my estradiol was only 19 during cycle

I would just keep an AI on hand if needed and monitor estrogen.

 

[stevesmi]

^^ so you don't like caber with tren at all?

 

[ledhead]

^^ so you don't like caber with tren at all?

It's really not needed if estrogen is checked. I never used caber and I ran tren a lot and never once did I get gyno because I smash estrogen. Now, there are some other tricks to combating estrogen other than AIs

 

[noodles1010]

It's really not needed if estrogen is checked. I never used caber and I ran tren a lot and never once did I get gyno because I smash estrogen. Now, there are some other tricks to combating estrogen other than AIs

you have my attention... what are u doing for estro contol led? ive got a script for aromasin, ive just been stock piling.

 

[shirlene29]

I actually threw the husband on a shit ton of stinging nettle and cod liver oil

kept caber and an AI on hand when he ran just deca
I never got bloods on him but deca dick was definitely never an issue

matter of fact the ONLY undesirable symptom he had coming off deca which may or may not have been attributed to it was severe depression
severe enough he stopped working all together,and THATS when he lost his gains
which he gained back almost immediately by returning to the gym a few months later and keeping track of his protein


Im still undecided as to whether it was a bad experiment or not

 

[stevesmi]

without bloods its all guesswork.

usually people who go through depression like that have big changes in their estrogen .. usually low. the guy i am working with now abused letro, AI's etc. and his estro tanked to under 5 and now he is depressed. of course if you have a history of depression it will increase your chances

everyone is different though.. i would still recommend covering all bases on a cycle and pct. too many guys just come off for 2 or 3 weeks and jump back on.. and then after a couple years when they decide to really come off they get hit with a reality check. time off is very important for your HPTA and your lipids as well. I have been off since November or so.. my lipids are all clean however i still don't feel like my HPTA is fully recovered yet (i'm not suppressed but I am not at full strength IMO) so I choose to keep waiting then I will kill it next cycle

 

[shirlene29]

yeah, thats what kind of got me with the whole thing

again it was an experiment put to me by an exceptionally experienced competitor...

there was no pct at all...I kind of wonder how it would have turned out had i had him follow up better
I can't say I wouldn't have him do it again if I could have figured out the depression aspect
he blasted right through what had been a limit for him for years with just the low dose deca only cycle

 

[ledhead]

you have my attention... what are u doing for estro contol led? ive got a script for aromasin, ive just been stock piling.

Hmmm. I don't really want to discuss certain things on an open forum because some of the children might think they were bestowed with a shocking revelation to try something heroic. Feel free to PM me if you would like me to expound.