deca and anavar only

[stevesmi]

^^^ so what would you recommend you run with tren? just an AI? no caber? assuming you are running tren alone with no test. i've always wondered if AI's with just 19nors are needed. according to bloods i have taken they are not.. my last tren cycle my estradiol was only 19 during cycle

when i ran deca though my levels were 300 .. even with AI's.

 

[ledhead]

^^^ so what would you recommend you run with tren? just an AI? no caber? assuming you are running tren alone with no test. i've always wondered if AI's with just 19nors are needed. according to bloods i have taken they are not.. my last tren cycle my estradiol was only 19 during cycle

I would just keep an AI on hand if needed and monitor estrogen.

 

[stevesmi]

^^ so you don't like caber with tren at all?

 

[ledhead]

^^ so you don't like caber with tren at all?

It's really not needed if estrogen is checked. I never used caber and I ran tren a lot and never once did I get gyno because I smash estrogen. Now, there are some other tricks to combating estrogen other than AIs

 

[noodles1010]

It's really not needed if estrogen is checked. I never used caber and I ran tren a lot and never once did I get gyno because I smash estrogen. Now, there are some other tricks to combating estrogen other than AIs

you have my attention... what are u doing for estro contol led? ive got a script for aromasin, ive just been stock piling.

 

[shirlene29]

I actually threw the husband on a shit ton of stinging nettle and cod liver oil

kept caber and an AI on hand when he ran just deca
I never got bloods on him but deca dick was definitely never an issue

matter of fact the ONLY undesirable symptom he had coming off deca which may or may not have been attributed to it was severe depression
severe enough he stopped working all together,and THATS when he lost his gains
which he gained back almost immediately by returning to the gym a few months later and keeping track of his protein


Im still undecided as to whether it was a bad experiment or not

 

[stevesmi]

without bloods its all guesswork.

usually people who go through depression like that have big changes in their estrogen .. usually low. the guy i am working with now abused letro, AI's etc. and his estro tanked to under 5 and now he is depressed. of course if you have a history of depression it will increase your chances

everyone is different though.. i would still recommend covering all bases on a cycle and pct. too many guys just come off for 2 or 3 weeks and jump back on.. and then after a couple years when they decide to really come off they get hit with a reality check. time off is very important for your HPTA and your lipids as well. I have been off since November or so.. my lipids are all clean however i still don't feel like my HPTA is fully recovered yet (i'm not suppressed but I am not at full strength IMO) so I choose to keep waiting then I will kill it next cycle

 

[shirlene29]

yeah, thats what kind of got me with the whole thing

again it was an experiment put to me by an exceptionally experienced competitor...

there was no pct at all...I kind of wonder how it would have turned out had i had him follow up better
I can't say I wouldn't have him do it again if I could have figured out the depression aspect
he blasted right through what had been a limit for him for years with just the low dose deca only cycle

 

[ledhead]

you have my attention... what are u doing for estro contol led? ive got a script for aromasin, ive just been stock piling.

Hmmm. I don't really want to discuss certain things on an open forum because some of the children might think they were bestowed with a shocking revelation to try something heroic. Feel free to PM me if you would like me to expound.