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Rabid_Goose
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What do you mean Bounced? Doing it touch n go without actually de-weighting it?
JohnRobHolmes
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If you bounce them you will be like Ronnie. + 1 point.
They might kick you out of your gym for trying to break the floor, -1 point.
They might kick you out of your gym for trying to break the floor, -1 point.
Powerbuilder333
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I think touch and go reps are better for muscle development. For powerlifting only the first one counts, but when I do nothing but singles I over train quickly.
I usually do 5 or failure - meaning I'll touch and go for 5 reps or untill the weight is to heavy for me to get all 5 reps. All keep adding weight untill I can only get 1 or 2 reps before total failure occurs.
Example from March 4th 2007:
145x5
235x5
325x5
415x3
505x1
Begin to use belt/suit/briefs/chalk/baby powder:
535x2
600x1.
I usually do 5 or failure - meaning I'll touch and go for 5 reps or untill the weight is to heavy for me to get all 5 reps. All keep adding weight untill I can only get 1 or 2 reps before total failure occurs.
Example from March 4th 2007:
145x5
235x5
325x5
415x3
505x1
Begin to use belt/suit/briefs/chalk/baby powder:
535x2
600x1.
BiggT
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Bouncing the weight allows you to rep with more weight obviously. They should be done deweighted, it is called a "DEAD"lift for a reason, the weight is lifted from a dead stop. Bouncing a bar off your chest when you bench allows for more weight too, but you wouldn't do that. Don't butcher a lift, do it the way it was meant to be done.
Ronnie is impressive as hell, he's a true freak show. I've seen his vids, while impressive, and while I don't advocate fitness geek form that will limit you to weenie weights eternally, Ronnie isn't somebody whose form you want to mimic.
Ronnie is impressive as hell, he's a true freak show. I've seen his vids, while impressive, and while I don't advocate fitness geek form that will limit you to weenie weights eternally, Ronnie isn't somebody whose form you want to mimic.
Protobuilder
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Only times I've ever tweaked/injured the lower back is when bouncing the weights and getting a slight windmill effect, one side moving in, the other moving out, just slightly and putting uneven pressure on the ligaments.
I deweight each rep fully. Like T said, I don't bounce my squats or bench so I don't bounce my deads either.
I deweight each rep fully. Like T said, I don't bounce my squats or bench so I don't bounce my deads either.
Cynical Simian
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+1BiggT said:
Protobuilder
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youngguns said:
380, subtract the bounce, 40 . . . 340x6.
JohnRobHolmes
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youngguns said:
I have a 500lb bouncy ball I will sell you. Bounce it a few times per day and watch your muscles grow like never before!
ChinkNasty
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lol relax
Cynical Simian
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Didn't see this coming.youngguns said:
Instead of subtracting poundage like others have been doing, I'm going to leave it at 380 and congratulate you on your rack pull PR, since that's what you're turning the movement into by taking the bottom portion out of it.
I suppose but more weight = more muscle growth right?Cynical Simian said:Didn't see this coming.
Instead of subtracting poundage like others have been doing, I'm going to leave it at 380 and congratulate you on your rack pull PR, since that's what you're turning the movement into by taking the bottom portion out of it.
Cynical Simian
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Not if you're not doing any of the work. Think about the gym douches who "bench" 315 with three "spotters" or quarter-squat 405 but never grow. Effective (meaning you doing the work) ROM is important, and you're losing out on a decent amount of it by bouncing through the bottom portion of the lift.
If you want to develop strength (and the muscles that are used) at the top of the deadlift, do rack pulls and/or power shrugs. If you want to develop power off the floor and take very heavy weights through a full range of motion, which stimulates a shitload of growth, do deadlifts (meaning, as said before, the bar starting "dead" on each rep).
If you want to develop strength (and the muscles that are used) at the top of the deadlift, do rack pulls and/or power shrugs. If you want to develop power off the floor and take very heavy weights through a full range of motion, which stimulates a shitload of growth, do deadlifts (meaning, as said before, the bar starting "dead" on each rep).
Protobuilder
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I'd second the rack pull idea. If you're looking to load up the weight on the back, and take some of the leg work out of it, do heavy ass rack pulls w/ the weight just below your knees.
i'm sure bouncing builds muscles too--bouncing a bench still requires muscle to lock it out--but what's teh point? Just do a damn partial and load up the weight.
i'm sure bouncing builds muscles too--bouncing a bench still requires muscle to lock it out--but what's teh point? Just do a damn partial and load up the weight.
I agree with you guys. What you are saying makes perfect sense. IMO the extra weight I can use when I bounce is beneficial. I made this thread to ask for opinions, opinions I got, thank you very much for them. I know how I have grown from bouncing, so I think I will stick to that, thanks again guys. You can keep posting some things if you want, I'm up for the discussion.Protobuilder said:
silver_shadow
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dude... if you wanna be a pro bber, someday (hopefully not too much into the future) you will have to increase 380 to 500+... i'm not sure if you could successfully bounce 500+.... well if you can, i'm sure your gym is going to boot you out!
beerdrinker
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The problem I see with bouncing, or even touch and go, is that it's kind of difficult to position yourself for a proper pull. It takes me a couple of seconds to line everything back up properly before the next rep.
JohnRobHolmes
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Take it easy there young'un, just throwing a joke out here and there to ease some of this latent tension from all the AAS around here.
Inhibitor13
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Always deweight it before each rep/
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thegoodfoods
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De-weight... it's the proper form. Watch any world's strongest man competitons and watch them DL. They do it because it's the right way. And they're in a powerlifting competion because you need REAL power to deadlift the right way, not the bouncy and whimpy way.
more weight doesnt mean more muscle buddy.youngguns said:
youv got the right idea that upping the weight will make your body need to adapt, thus grow, but just because you can do more weight with a certain method doesnt mean your stronger (and will not adapt).
example, if i am doing curls, with strict form, i do less weight, but if i swing i can get alot more weight. it doesnt mean my biceps are stronger or bigger just because i do it a different way with more weight.
getting good at doing it with propper form and adapting to an increasing load over time will grow more muscle,- not cheating your way into being able to do more weight.
in summary: it doesnt mean your stronger, it means your cheating to get more weight and has nothing to do with muscle adaptation and growth- but can in fact lead to injury, and weakness,
I appreciate the comment man, but again, I do not agree with this comparison, there is no other movements that is like this. If my back is liftin 1000 pounds, its lifting 1000 pounds, if I do strict I lose focus. And like was said because I'm not going into powerlifting, but bodybuilding, and I believe STRONGLY that I would have a greater chance of injury deweighting and jerking up, then a smooth bounce.SublimeZM said:
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thegoodfoods
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do you slowly bring it down when bouncing it up or do you just drop it? i mean you can slightly bounce it up after slowly bringing it down, or you can just drop it and look like a douche.
JohnRobHolmes
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How about my example? I have a bouncy ball. I bounce it. It weighs 50 pounds. If I bounce a 100 pound bouncy ball, will I be getting more of a workout? I did bounce more weight after all. Nevermind the fact that they both bounce the same, and the heavier weight will bounce back just as high as the lighter weight (both are made of the same stuff).
Bouncing with more weight is not more of a workout that your standard deadlift. You are losing power (using the bounce to help) at the lowest position, while increasing tension slightly at the fully raised position (more weight to hold on to). It serves only to increase your ego faster. Maximum tension during the largest ROM is the way to increase strength fastest, and presumably size depending on your rep range.
Bouncing with more weight is not more of a workout that your standard deadlift. You are losing power (using the bounce to help) at the lowest position, while increasing tension slightly at the fully raised position (more weight to hold on to). It serves only to increase your ego faster. Maximum tension during the largest ROM is the way to increase strength fastest, and presumably size depending on your rep range.
Force = (masss)(acceleration)youngguns said:
9.81m/s times your weight, = the force down.
when its dead, thats the weight your lifting, but when its accelrating down, it hits the ground and an equal and opposite force propells the weight back up.
the fact is, your not lifting 1,000 pounds when your bouncing it off the ground. its not a guess, its physics
Cynical Simian
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It's not a perfectly inelastic collision, so he's not getting all of benefit of the downward force, but the point stands and is the same one everyone has been making since page 1. Don't waste your time: his ego won't let him take a few pounds off his "deadlift" to do it correctly.
Cynical Simian
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lol, given this,
he probably not doing the full weight at any point after the first rep.youngguns said:
Protobuilder
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But younggash isn't the only one doing 'em w/ a bounce.
My guess is that this is like anything else: once you know how to do shit right and have some experience, you can do things differently and you know what you can do and what you can't. Nobody would suggest a newer lifter use the elastic reflex and bounce his deep squats, but olympians do it all the time. Same probably goes for your deads. Unless you know what the fuck you're doing, you probably should stick to deweighting them. I mean, if Ronnie bounces a double w/ 800 off the ground, OK. I still wouldn't tell a guy to do it until he's got some real training experience under his belt.
That said, I'm no BB'r so don't really give a shit whether a bounce keeps max tension on my rhomboids or not.
Nathan said:
My guess is that this is like anything else: once you know how to do shit right and have some experience, you can do things differently and you know what you can do and what you can't. Nobody would suggest a newer lifter use the elastic reflex and bounce his deep squats, but olympians do it all the time. Same probably goes for your deads. Unless you know what the fuck you're doing, you probably should stick to deweighting them. I mean, if Ronnie bounces a double w/ 800 off the ground, OK. I still wouldn't tell a guy to do it until he's got some real training experience under his belt.
That said, I'm no BB'r so don't really give a shit whether a bounce keeps max tension on my rhomboids or not.
Cynical Simian
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Doesn't Rippetoe suggest exactly that in Starting Strength?Protobuilder said:
I predict that youngguns' next trick will be to brag about his 60" vertical set on a trampoline.
Cynical Simian
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That wasn't an attempt to talk shit, it was another analogy relevant to the topic. I (and a bunch of other posters) keep throwing out these analogies in the hope that you (or others reading the thread) will see the problem with your "as long as X pounds are on the bar, it doesn't matter how it gets from point A to point B" reasoning. Here are another couple that haven't been used: using a bench shirt or a squat suit and knee wraps change the dynamics of the lifts significantly and in a way very similar to touch-and-go deads (by turning it into a lockout since the rebound takes care of the bottom part).
Protobuilder
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youngguns: i don't give a shit what you do. it's your back. maybe you'd grow w/ quarter deads. or maybe you'll tweak your lumbars bouncing your deads and spend the next year kinda' working around it. I don't care. I was mainly addressing CS.
Cynical Simian
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PB, you might be right that there are situations where touch-and-go deads might be worthwhile (and with appropriate experience, safe), but to be honest I can't think of them. Even with WSB speed deads or the 20-rep "have a trashcan nearby to puke in" deadlift workouts Glenn has posted about, they're done as a series of singles.
If someone's only goal is to throw a bunch of volume at his back, I guess touch-and-go deads are one way to do it. The main point that I've been making is semantic: what most people refer to when they say 'deadlift' is a full deweight/reset between reps, and what YG is calling a 'deadlift' isn't comparable and needs a qualifier ('touch-and-go', 'bounced', whatever) in the same way that a suited squat or shirted bench does.
If someone's only goal is to throw a bunch of volume at his back, I guess touch-and-go deads are one way to do it. The main point that I've been making is semantic: what most people refer to when they say 'deadlift' is a full deweight/reset between reps, and what YG is calling a 'deadlift' isn't comparable and needs a qualifier ('touch-and-go', 'bounced', whatever) in the same way that a suited squat or shirted bench does.
Inhibitor13
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I used to bounce them too cause It felt like my back was working more. I did this for a while and seen that the proper way to do them is to deweight it. I said, shit, these dudes are way bigger than me so obviously they know what they are doing. I started deweighteing it and it was awkward for me at first but after getting used to it it feels much easier on my back. My back did grow when I would bounce the weight but it grew faster deweighting it. Its a lot more better for my back, less pains and more gains !
Powerbuilder333
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I say all of you strong proponents of your various deadlift beliefs post vid's so we can see your technique, and more importantly will be able to see what kind of muscle mass you've been able to accumulate following your own advice.
Powerbuilder333
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YG as soon as you're no longer blacked out I'll be able to read your last post and comment.
Here's a vid of me deadlifting 525x1 RAW - no belt, from March 25th. I generally believe in touch and go reps, but I had to alter my training due to a gunshot wound to my shoulder that occured on March 10th. Hopefully I'll soon be back to utlizing the training theory that has helped me accumalate 300lbs of mass on a 6'6" frame.
http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=2iuoy1s
Here's a vid of me deadlifting 525x1 RAW - no belt, from March 25th. I generally believe in touch and go reps, but I had to alter my training due to a gunshot wound to my shoulder that occured on March 10th. Hopefully I'll soon be back to utlizing the training theory that has helped me accumalate 300lbs of mass on a 6'6" frame.
http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=2iuoy1s
silver_shadow
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i hope this is a joke... because you aren't a PL/BB/oly lifter till you have competed.youngguns said:west side barbell? metal militia, I have done both, I use to powerlift
let's just say that the chances of nathan or ronnie nailing the dead with bounce WITH CORRECT FORM is more than you... again that is a chance. which means you MIGHT still be able to pull it off. but you came here for an opinion and an opinion is what you're going to get. just stick to strict deads making sure you get the form alright... and add in rack pulls as a variation. honestly i don't know how many lbs of extra muscle you imagine you will grow by bouncing. it couldn't be a serious amount to warrant doing something that is potentially risky.
blut wump
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Bouncing is more dangerous besides easier.
With a bouncing form, your rep consists of eccentric then concentric: you'll take your mental pause at the top of the movement rather than at the bottom. This means that if you drift out of position or your grip starts to unravel at all then you'll do your adjusting at the top. Doing your adjusting in this position is not as safe as doing it while the weight is on the floor and you are not under load. How you'd fix your grip while standing and holding it is beyond me; maybe you puss out with straps.
The idea that you have to be under contant tension to grow is complete bollocks. Workload is what counts.
Deloading makes the lift harder on the muscles. It's not harder due to any mechanical disadvantage, however, and so I can see no significant benefit to butchering the exercise by bouncing. Of course it allows you to use more weight, which might help at strengthening lockout but so will rack pulls and with even more weight. If you bounce, the muscles you're taking out of the equation are the ones that the deadlift is most suitable to work. It's a silly thing to do.
Better to accept that you're not doing a deadlift and just switch over to doing RDL to target muscles more appropriately. It'll even give you your desired continued tension.
With a bouncing form, your rep consists of eccentric then concentric: you'll take your mental pause at the top of the movement rather than at the bottom. This means that if you drift out of position or your grip starts to unravel at all then you'll do your adjusting at the top. Doing your adjusting in this position is not as safe as doing it while the weight is on the floor and you are not under load. How you'd fix your grip while standing and holding it is beyond me; maybe you puss out with straps.
The idea that you have to be under contant tension to grow is complete bollocks. Workload is what counts.
Deloading makes the lift harder on the muscles. It's not harder due to any mechanical disadvantage, however, and so I can see no significant benefit to butchering the exercise by bouncing. Of course it allows you to use more weight, which might help at strengthening lockout but so will rack pulls and with even more weight. If you bounce, the muscles you're taking out of the equation are the ones that the deadlift is most suitable to work. It's a silly thing to do.
Better to accept that you're not doing a deadlift and just switch over to doing RDL to target muscles more appropriately. It'll even give you your desired continued tension.
blut wump
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and if we're wanting a straight pissing match between the two styles, I could care less what anyone on here is lifting or how many hundreds of pounds they weigh.
Take a look at what the best guys in the world are doing for their deadlifts. Last I saw Ahola, Karlsen, Pudzianowski, Zavickas, Ano, Magnussen at al. in training vids, they did sets of deweighted reps.
Take a look at what the best guys in the world are doing for their deadlifts. Last I saw Ahola, Karlsen, Pudzianowski, Zavickas, Ano, Magnussen at al. in training vids, they did sets of deweighted reps.
Powerbuilder333
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blut wump said:
If your training/nutritional/AAS theories work, the'd work for you, and you wouldn't mind showing your accomplishments.
I've seen Magnussen/Bolton lift in (vid's) competition, but don't know how they train. I believe Ed Coan did sets of 5 touch and go style. Gary Frank is the main man of strenth - I'd love to find out his training theories.
You all like analogies, so here's one: How many of you ever pause your bench on your chest untill it's deloaded before pressing it. I do at least 1 rep per bench day that way because it's required in competition. Every time I've tried to exclusively use this technique my bench has decreased and my mass has shrunk.
I've been doing this for 18 years and have gained 125lbs of bulk. I give new theories a chance, but ussualy fall back on what actually works for me.
That's the bottom line. If it works for you then stick with it. If you haven't gained any size or strength lately, you'd best try something new.
I'd really like to see the results of you EFers labors, not to ridicule, but to see what other's have done.
Best in lifting.
blut wump
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A bottom-up press would be a better analogy. A big part of benching is winding up the stretch as you control the weight during the eccentric. I've never seen a bencher relax and deload during a competition. If he's using a shirt then chances are that he's actively pulling downwards.
Floor-presses might be an appropriate consideration.
Floor-presses might be an appropriate consideration.
blut wump
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It seems not.
I get the impression that anyone can prove pretty much anything against the grain using RC as their example. I remember Madcow getting into debate mode with someone about deadlifts on the point of doing deadlifts just to get a pump, which is almost an absurd notion. Lo and behold, someone dug out an interview with Coleman where he extolls the benefits of deadlifts for getting a good pump.
The man's a freak. He's the BB equivalent of Mariusz. They're each indisctructible and move silly amounts of weight using whatever muscles are closest at the time in whatever manner gets the weight up. I know it's scientifically wrong to dismiss him as simply being too far outside the norm but, as has been said before around here, look to Ronnie as your model at your own peril.
I get the impression that anyone can prove pretty much anything against the grain using RC as their example. I remember Madcow getting into debate mode with someone about deadlifts on the point of doing deadlifts just to get a pump, which is almost an absurd notion. Lo and behold, someone dug out an interview with Coleman where he extolls the benefits of deadlifts for getting a good pump.
The man's a freak. He's the BB equivalent of Mariusz. They're each indisctructible and move silly amounts of weight using whatever muscles are closest at the time in whatever manner gets the weight up. I know it's scientifically wrong to dismiss him as simply being too far outside the norm but, as has been said before around here, look to Ronnie as your model at your own peril.
Good point, he is a freak for sure. But don't you think he deserves it? I have watched tones of videos, Dorian, Jay, this guy and that guy, and Ronnie most definatly works the hardest, that with his genetics, perfect diet, and abundance of steroids and other drugs have made him a freak. I truly believe that many people put in his spot, same everything, could look just like him, but that's my opinion. Either way, I still think I have a great point which is Ronnie wants to do the least damage to his money making body, and has tons of people helping him, and he definatly does bounce. I suppose is he wants to work glutes he'll do squats, bounce deads for lower back.blut wump said:
Powerbuilder333
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Jay Cutler comes over to the Eastside every once in a while. I've seen him do 405x5 with straps and belt touch and go style. I didn't have the heart to tell him he's doing it wrong - LOL.
Powerbuilder333
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SublimeZM said:that is a goofy shirt.
your ufcking huge, 6'6 300?
care to share with us your training method...please
The good LORD saw fit to stretch me out to my height. I was 174 lbs at the age of 26 when I started to lift. Having a fast metabolism, and being a hard gainer forced me to utilize short heavy workouts centered around the basic compound movements for low reps.
I'm sure you noticed from the video that I still have spagetti legs, so the quest continues......
blut wump
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No offence to JC, but 405x5 isn't even impressive without belt and straps. I'm not saying it's poor, it's a good performance, but it's a long way short of "wow", even if it were deloaded.Powerbuilder333 said:
Anyway, I think we're done here. I'm more than happy to accept that touch 'n' go has benefits I'm missing out on just as I think that touch 'n' go misses out on training the initial part of the pull. I can't help but think of it as as an assisted RDL.
Protobuilder
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Let's figure out what we're talking about here. Bouncing vs. deweighted vs. "touch n go" reps . . . I think there are "better" and "worse" ways to do each style.
Youngguns, more touch-n-go, not too much real "bouncing"
A shit bouncing set, waiting for injury to happen, IMO
Steve Mack (?) 700x7, very nice touch n go by a very strong dude who stays in control the whole time
Good deweighted set
Deweighted but waiting WAAAYYY too long between reps, IMHO
455x15 w/ some bounce . . . baby weight for him but would he get FUBAR'd by heavy triples w/ this style???
Another good 'touch n go' set under control . . . notice he resets when it gets hairy though
Youngguns, more touch-n-go, not too much real "bouncing"
A shit bouncing set, waiting for injury to happen, IMO
Steve Mack (?) 700x7, very nice touch n go by a very strong dude who stays in control the whole time
Good deweighted set
Deweighted but waiting WAAAYYY too long between reps, IMHO
455x15 w/ some bounce . . . baby weight for him but would he get FUBAR'd by heavy triples w/ this style???
Another good 'touch n go' set under control . . . notice he resets when it gets hairy though
thanks for the vids man!Protobuilder said:Let's figure out what we're talking about here. Bouncing vs. deweighted vs. "touch n go" reps . . . I think there are "better" and "worse" ways to do each style.
Youngguns, more touch-n-go, not too much real "bouncing"- Good form
A shit bouncing set, waiting for injury to happen, IMO -not good in any way
Steve Mack (?) 700x7, very nice touch n go by a very strong dude who stays in control the whole time great form, perfect again imo, small knees!
Good deweighted set great form
Deweighted but waiting WAAAYYY too long between reps, IMHObad style
455x15 w/ some bounce . . . baby weight for him but would he get FUBAR'd by heavy triples w/ this style??? Great form, a bit too bouncy and he doesnt seem to be bending the knees enough
Another good 'touch n go' set under control . . . notice he resets when it gets hairy thoughGreat form, perfect imo
Tweakle
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Please don't use mr Coleman as an example. Have you seen the way ronnie tbar rows? Don't try doing that one either, unless you're a freak with huge joints, ligaments like steel cables and on 20 ius of GH a day.
for conventional, if I could pull like this still - reset. The point being to explode off the floor and keep it moving to lockout.
Sumo, touch n go. Breaking the bar is disproportionally hard for me with this style, and I could do 2 reps with the same weight I'd get 5 with if I gave it a love tap.
Rack pulls, if I could still do them - touch n go. Keeps it loaded all the way.
but bear in mind I've not pulled since august and probably wouldn't be able to do more than a couple of reps with 600
for conventional, if I could pull like this still - reset. The point being to explode off the floor and keep it moving to lockout.
Sumo, touch n go. Breaking the bar is disproportionally hard for me with this style, and I could do 2 reps with the same weight I'd get 5 with if I gave it a love tap.
Rack pulls, if I could still do them - touch n go. Keeps it loaded all the way.
but bear in mind I've not pulled since august and probably wouldn't be able to do more than a couple of reps with 600
thanks man, this was 365, I just recently got 380x5, the deloaded and set up for the last rep, but it felt like a million pounds and I knew I would have been struggling to get it up, and it wasnt worth it, next deadlift will be 380x6, I might video it, can't wait to get to 4 plates.al420 said:
Powerbuilder333
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I've never heard of Steve Mack, but I aspire to have that kind of brute strength. Great vid.
Guinness5.0
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It's probably been established by now, but bouncing is not the same thing as touch and go; bouncing means that one consciously tries to employ momentum to make the lift easier whereas touch and go means that one doesn't fully deweight the bar at the bottom but does not get sloppy and 'cheat' to in order to make the weight move.
My $.02 is that it's probably best to err toward resetting fully as it allows one to get their mechanics in line for each individual rep. If one's goal is to obtain the highest 1rm possible I have to believe that resetting even when pulling for reps is best as it replicates the effort necessary for the big single.
My $.02 is that it's probably best to err toward resetting fully as it allows one to get their mechanics in line for each individual rep. If one's goal is to obtain the highest 1rm possible I have to believe that resetting even when pulling for reps is best as it replicates the effort necessary for the big single.
silver_shadow
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yep looks good to me. def NO bouncing!youngguns said:
it might seem difficult at first to do the deload since you are used to this method. so you'd probably have to reset weights and try again. that is IF you want to. as it is the deads look good so it's your call.
one thing that would make a difference between the 2 styles would be the stretch reflex. i suspect that when you deweighted you sat in that position for long enough to lose it. ideally you'd want to spend as little time in the starting position as possible. if you're pulling for reps then that possibly could mean deweighting, going up a little with the bar still on the ground then descending once again this time when you reach the bottom position you will start pulling - so each rep would seem like (or close to) a single. something like 5 "singles" = one set of 5. make sense?
jochensa
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youngguns said:
bro you honestly sound like a complete idiot sometimes. i have trained with pro BB, pro athletes, and olympic athletes. and i have never seen or been told to do heavy sets on straight legs. i mean u havent competed at any level, in anything, let alone in high school. how can we take a thing you say seriously
al420
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I train for meets - so yes, I train my 'lifts' (C&J and Snatch) and their auxillary lifts (high pulls, jump shrugs, jerk presses, good mornings, etc) heavy - all of them. In triples, doubles, sometimes 5's, and once in a while 6's. BUt always at maximal weight - my coaches are national record holders and internationally ranked lifters, so I think we are doing what really works....at least to get brutally strong.
As for curls, kick-backs, and drop sets... I leave those to the sorority girls and faggots.
As for curls, kick-backs, and drop sets... I leave those to the sorority girls and faggots.
