Deadlifting Debate can you do more conventional or sumo?

[CytoMel]

Yesterday during DE squat day right after squats my traiing partners and I went right into deadlifting.

The bar was loaded with 135 plus what looked like a ton of mini bands doubled or tripled up it just looked like a bunch of green snakes wrapped tightly around the bar. The mini's were anchored around a jump strech type platform so there was a ton of tension on the bar in the start and in the whole range of motion.

I am 6'2 1/2 with long arms and legs so I am built to deadlift. I had done 500 conventionaly a month ago.

I tried to do the weight with all the bands wrapped around it but I couldnt lock it out-just short.

Then I tried the sumo stance (legs wide hands close) and it wasnt very hard at all and it went up fast! I havent maxed out in a sumo dl before

I think that the sumo is better for me now. I know that some people pull better convetinal and some sumo. What about everyone else? Do sumo dl's benefit some body types more or does it depend on the individual? I think it could be more of an indivdual thing.

 

[Deciever]

i pull equal. Maybe sumo was easier because your ROM is decreased, so the band tension is also decreased.

 

[b fold the truth]

i pull equal. Maybe sumo was easier because your ROM is decreased, so the band tension is also decreased.

I think that you are right...

B True

 

[FREAK19]

Cytomel,
The sumo i think is more of an individual thing, but there are some people that can pull either one and get the same results.
i tried it and i didnt like it. it kinda put a funny twist on my knee so i stopped doing it right away. jimmydean is an expert on the sumo from what i understand, he dosent deadlift untill meet day but i think he pulls sumo in a meet and is perfect at it.
Freak19

 

[I'D RATHER BE DEADLIFTING]

I recently found out I am pretty equal pulling both ways.


I think Deceiver is right though. There is 5" difference in my ROM from conventionl to sumo and the hardest part of those band deads for me is the last few inches. I'm sure I could go heavier sumo.

 

[Deciever]

i dont think i could even budge the weight you guys are using.. but yes the reduction in the ROM will factor out to be alot less band tension, creating an easier lockout.

 

[Skizac]

It's very individual. One would think that sumo would be easiest for everyone, since the ROM is less, but that's not the case.

When I first discovered how to DL sumo style, my DL instantly went up about 50 pounds. However, I've recently found that I'm a little bit stronger with conventional style, so I've switched back. Go figure.

 

[Arioch]

My sumo max is 105 pounds less than my conventional max. I absolutely hate it. My wife is just the opposite. Her best dead (330 - sumo) versus 265 convential.

 

[powerlifterjay]

When i tried it i felt ok till i swtiched to conventional then back again. Conventionally i am faster off the floor. And i cn lean back and stain harder. With sumo it feels better with light weight for me but when i gewt heavy it just moves off th efloor to slow for me. And the way i am built my hand rubs on my leg to lockout and it opens my hand that holds th ebar in a straight grip. I think bith are fine its really on how yoru built. As wide as i squat you would think i would like sumo, and i actually cant say i will rule it out for the future either. But right now its conventional for me.

 

[CytoMel]

Thanks for all the replies. That is a good point made about the band tension conventional v. sume by many here-I handn't even thought about that.

I guess the only way to compare a max with conventional v. sumo would be to do a max on each lift and compare.

 

[TheFng]

Cytomel,

Keep in mind that you did not have to lift the bar as far sumo as with conventional. Hence, the weight at the top of the lifts were different because you were using bands. The farther they are stretched, the more force they exert.

So to really tell if one way is better for you, you will need to deadlift without the bands. You probably know this but I wanted to make sure you were mixing apples with apples so to speak.

 

[TheFng]

Well duh. I guess that has been pointed out already. My bad.

 

[Lumberg]

Hey guys I was wondering, do you all's quads hurt from deadlifting at the spot the bar reaches at the top? It's like I have a permanent deep bruise there.

JC

 

[Arioch]

Just on one side, where the thumb of the hand that is pronated digs in assuming I am holding it at the top for a second or two before the down signal, otherwise, no bruising.

Pulling sumo scrapes the hell out of the inside of my shins, though.

 

[brianmincher]

I pull 50 lbs more sumo than conventional, if I wear a suit. Without a suit, my hips hurt too much trying sumo. But when I wear a suit, I cannot even reach down and grab the bar conventional. I know this may sound a little weird, but I swear it is true. I absolutely cannot get to the bar.

If there was ever a person not built to deadlift, it is me. I think that people built to deadlift probably do better conventional, while trolls like myself probably have to do what they can to get down to the bar.

Also my back does not hurt at all sumo, but it kills me conventional.

B.

 

[brianmincher]

Oh and joncrane,

My quads don't hurt because when I finish a deadlift the bar is above my root, and not even on my quads. How is that for a deadlift build?

B.

 

[Lumberg]

Oh and joncrane,

My quads don't hurt because when I finish a deadlift the bar is above my root, and not even on my quads. How is that for a deadlift build?

B.

Holy shit you either have short arms or the longest torso ever!! Do you get issues about scraping past your root though? I remember I would always bang my dick on power shrugs.......

JC

 

[brianmincher]

With a suit on my twig and berries are smashed up in the suit, and for some reason when pulling sumo the bar is a little bit lower than conventional and actually just comes up to my sack. Conventional if I stand up all the way erect (he he, he he) then yes, I get some issues there.

Not particularly short arms, or a particularly long torso, just a combination of both, I think. Makes deadlifts Hell, but nice for benching. Can't win them all, unless you are Garry Frank.

Or Freak19.

B.

 

[spatts]

The first time I tried sumo, I was able to pull the same as my conventional. Lately, though, I find that I whack my shins so hard that I can't pull as much because I can't train it for as long. A couple pulls, and my shins hurt like a SOB, so I switch. In terms of muscle recruitment/strength, I think both pulls could be pretty close if not for this factor.