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Anthrax Invasion
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I use a double overhand grip. It's much more comfortable for me.
For mixed grip, switch it every workout. You'll wind up with odd development otherwise. I did that long ago, had one lat and one trap bigger. Left trap, right lat. It was funny.
For mixed grip, switch it every workout. You'll wind up with odd development otherwise. I did that long ago, had one lat and one trap bigger. Left trap, right lat. It was funny.
blut wump
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I use double-overhand, too. I keep thinking that I should put some time in working a mixed grip since I've not used it at all for a long while and am hoping to be going for a new 1RM over the next couple of months.
Mixed-grip usually costs me some shin. Double-overhand rarely does. I also hold an unscientific belief that using double-overhand is good for strengthening my grip.
Sorry, I only just noticed that you were asking for deadlift experts.
Mixed-grip usually costs me some shin. Double-overhand rarely does. I also hold an unscientific belief that using double-overhand is good for strengthening my grip.
Sorry, I only just noticed that you were asking for deadlift experts.
Very few people can pull heavy weights with a double overhand grip.
I pull double overhand till I get to the lower 6's then I switch to mixed.
I don't think that my development is too "odd".
I pull double overhand till I get to the lower 6's then I switch to mixed.
I don't think that my development is too "odd".
BiggT
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I use a hook grip nowadays, I find double-over is the most natural way to pull, it keeps the bar closer to the body and keeps it from going off path, plus it greatly reduces the chance of a biceps tear.
Like B-Fold said, most people cannot pull too heavy double over with no hook grip. It is a great investment to get comfortable with the hook grip in my opinion.
Like B-Fold said, most people cannot pull too heavy double over with no hook grip. It is a great investment to get comfortable with the hook grip in my opinion.
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Ilovetolift
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I use double-overhand until I do my heaviest lifts, then I NEED to use alternate grip, It's just plain too damn heavy to hold.
djeclipse
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When I first got rid of the straps I started using mixed grip. 2 weeks ago I decided to start using hook grip to work on forearm strength.
I am only able to hold on to the bar (for 5 reps) for my second set of 4 which is about 100lbs less then my max.
When I switch to mixed grip I try to change it every set.
I am only able to hold on to the bar (for 5 reps) for my second set of 4 which is about 100lbs less then my max.
When I switch to mixed grip I try to change it every set.
djeclipse
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BiggT said:
There is no discomfort per say, it's just that my grip gives out and my fingers start to open on the last 2 reps.
On a side note I just learned that the bars at my gym are 1" din diameter, and apairently the proper powerlifting olympic bars are only 3/4" or something?
Can anyone verify this?
Chambewy20
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I've tried to double overhand but I'm a big pussy.
K to all you guys who at least try though... especiall to ilovetolift, who's wheaties did you shit in? LOL
K to all you guys who at least try though... especiall to ilovetolift, who's wheaties did you shit in? LOL
blut wump
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According to the pdf you can download from Ivanko, 28mm is standard for a 20Kg Oly bar. That's about 1.1"djeclipse said:
http://www.ivanko.com/commercial_oly_bars.pdf
Chambewy20
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K bookie took all my shit, I'm back for now.
Can only take so much than you feel like your saying the same ole shit over and over...
Can only take so much than you feel like your saying the same ole shit over and over...
Protobuilder
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The only time I've tweaked my lumbars on deads is doing mixed-grip, getting a little bounce at the bottom, and the bar wants to windmill and come in closer on one side than the other. I force myself to double overhand now, with straps where needed.
glennpendlay
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a powerlifting bar is supposed to be 1 1/8 inches thick, which works out to about 28.5mm roughly. an OL bar is supposed to be 28mm exactly. doesnt seem like much of a difference, but it is, you can really feel it.
lots of the cheap bars, mostly chinese manufacture, are 29mm and above in diameter, which i assume allows you to use a cheaper quality of steel and still not have the bar bend with weight on it. it is indeed a bitch to try to grip a bar that is a little too thick when you are deadlifting.
the specialty "deadlift bar" used in some PL federations like the frantz bar that is i think the official DL bar of the APF is thinner, 27mm to be exact. it is also longer between the collars. being thinner and longer, the bar flexes much more, so you are actually doing something more like a low rack pull, the bar flexes a good deal in the middle before the weights lift off the ground. also the thinner shaft makes it easier to hang on to, especially if you hook grip!
lots of the cheap bars, mostly chinese manufacture, are 29mm and above in diameter, which i assume allows you to use a cheaper quality of steel and still not have the bar bend with weight on it. it is indeed a bitch to try to grip a bar that is a little too thick when you are deadlifting.
the specialty "deadlift bar" used in some PL federations like the frantz bar that is i think the official DL bar of the APF is thinner, 27mm to be exact. it is also longer between the collars. being thinner and longer, the bar flexes much more, so you are actually doing something more like a low rack pull, the bar flexes a good deal in the middle before the weights lift off the ground. also the thinner shaft makes it easier to hang on to, especially if you hook grip!
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djeclipse
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glennpendlay said:
Thanks for the clarification. The guy was complaining that the bars at my current gym were too thick, maybe he was used to using the 27mm specialty bar at the other gym as he was talking about how the bar flexes more for deadlift and squats..
Personally it doesn't matter to me, if the bar is a little thicker and my grp gets worked a bit more that's a bonus. As long as the bar still weights 45lbs I am good to go.
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Anthrax Invasion
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Thinner shafts are always easier to hang on to. It's why I have so much trouble masturbating. 
anotherbutters
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This old chestnut. Is an oly bar 20kg or 45lbs? Maybe Glenn can help here too!djeclipse said:
BTW, has anyone run their mouse over ilovetolift's neg-karma to read the messages?
My deadlift bar is an old Texas Power Bar...Squat Bar. Bent...little thick and nearly no bend to it. I seem to be the only one who prefers it...lol
Chambewy20
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b fold the truth said:
If a person's gonna buy one for their home gym, they are the best all around out their, IMO...
Chambewy20
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carlsuen said:
Straps actually fasten your hands to the bar, takes the majority of the tension off your hands and includes your wrist.
Gloves mainly save your baby soft hand from getting callusses (sp?)...
IMO, if you have average to decent grip strength, it doesn't become an issue or effect your ability to pull until... for lighter lifters, you start approaching triple your body weight and heavier guys, 700+...
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Ilovetolift
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i dont know, id say no ones, but they would say everyones, meh.Chambewy20 said:
so this doubble overhand..seems to be a favor..can this be done with a straight leg deadlift? or Only a sumo style?...or something else...
LiftingDukkha
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My 2 cents -- I found one day that one shoulder was really going to crap. Eventually I completely stopped lifting at all for many months. When I came back, once I gradually eased back on up in weights & paid more attention to shoulder flexibility, I began doing this for Deadlifts, essentially:
Warmup -- Hang power Olympic pulls (Hang power snatch/hang power clean/high pull)
once that weight is too much, then
continue Warmup -- Overhand deadlift
Once that weight is too much, then
Workset Deadlift -- Alternate each set hand position:
Odd sets (set 1, 3, 5 etc (rarely do that many though)) -- Left under, Right over
Even Sets (set 2, 4, 6, etc (ditto)) -- Right under, Left over
Warmup -- Hang power Olympic pulls (Hang power snatch/hang power clean/high pull)
once that weight is too much, then
continue Warmup -- Overhand deadlift
Once that weight is too much, then
Workset Deadlift -- Alternate each set hand position:
Odd sets (set 1, 3, 5 etc (rarely do that many though)) -- Left under, Right over
Even Sets (set 2, 4, 6, etc (ditto)) -- Right under, Left over
Illuminati
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IronJunkey said:
use any grip that you want. but you will find that you can handle a lot more weight with using an alternating grip. double over hand vs. alternating is not going to effect the way your body builds muscle or strength. so why not just use an alternating grip the whole time.
blut wump
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For myself, I feel more comfortable with a double-overhand and I lose a lot less shin flesh. I'm also convinced that holding onto the bar as it tries to unroll your fingers is good for building your static grip.Illuminati said:
At the moment, my d-o grip is still good enough for my 1RM so it's a no-brainer but maybe that'll change as I work up to a new 1RM over the next month or so.
Illuminati
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blut wump said:
if you are scrapping the bar up your legs when you deadlift, maybe you are starting with the bar too close to you. I have never had a problem with that.
me personally, i would much rather not have to worry about my hands coming off the bar when I'm trying to pull a max weight.
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