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Dbol/Deca/Test E 2nd cycle, thoughts?

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S1nless

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*cycle*
weeks 1-4 || Dbol 50mg/day || Deca 400mg/week || Test E 600mg/week
weeks 4-10 || Dbol dropped || Deca 400mg/week || Test E 600mg/week
weeks 10-12 || Dbol dropped || Deca dropped || Test E 600mg/week
weeks 1-12 || HCG 250 IU/4days ||
*cycle protection/AI*
I plan on running Adex @ .5mgs/day +Caber .25 x2/week throughout the 12 weeks (scared of
gyno). I will be running Cycle Assist from day 1 till the end of my PCT @ 4caps 2am/2pm.
Letro on hand for emergencies
*PCT*
weeks 14-18 (2weeks after last pin)
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/10
Armoasin 12.5/12.5/7.5/7.5

age: 25 || height 5'11 || weight 197 || 13% body fat || diet: around 5k cals daily || training: 4days on 2rest 1full cardio || cycle history: I have ran 1 previous cycle of test only
open to suggestions, please leave comment below with a brief explanation of why you would change one or multiple parts of the cycle. If you don't tell me your reasoning behind the change I cant learn anything (: Thanks, I look forward to reading :wavey:
 
Bicepsky said:
why dropin' deca on weeks 10-12 ?
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From the information I have gathered Deca is to be dropped 2 weeks prior to the last test dose as it has a longer half life. Although I am looking at possibly dropping the Deca all together and just running a Test E cycle with a dbol kick start. The Deca/Caber just adds a lot to the price ( I cant find Caber for less than 150vs4 week sup) and this being my second cycle I'm not sure if it is necessary in my case. I think I will obtain the gains I am looking for with the Test E/Dbol
 
target weight 220, not expecting to gain up to 220 would be satisfied to progress to 210 on the Test E/Dbol I'm leaning towards dropping the Deca, I won't run a cycle cutting any corners on health and Im not sure if I can afford the Caber. Sorry went a little off topic, goal of the cycle is to bulk up to 220.
 
I say drop the deca and just run test and dbol.. deca test and dbol just leads to a lot of bloat.. test and dbok coyld easily grt you up to 210..

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you will be pleasantly surprised what you will gain on just test and dbol... there is no need to run either as high as you have them though... your just asking for gyno problems and high estrogen that is going to lead to more water retention, even with an ai, and a bloated look you are not after... there is no need to go over 30 mg of dbol... i would not go over 500 mg of test either... i like to run test lower but since your after the type of gain you are, then 500 is fine... i would highly recommend running hcgenerate ES on cycle and you definitely need n2guard with dbol... you should be able to see big gains on this cycle...
 
Thanks for the input everyone, @ Dylan I was planing on running the test at around 600mg/weekly becasue my natural lvls are are low around 500 when not dosing. My source also isn't pharmaceutical grade. But I will take your advice and run the test lower if you think it best.
 
i say drop the deca also and stick with dbol/test. The 19-nors can wait for later
 
S1nless said:
Thanks for the input everyone, @ Dylan I was planing on running the test at around 600mg/weekly becasue my natural lvls are are low around 500 when not dosing. My source also isn't pharmaceutical grade. But I will take your advice and run the test lower if you think it best.
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500 natural levels is not "low". Its appropriately in clinical range
 
I went to Sotopelle a renowned HRT Dr Geno Tutera in AZ. I also worked for Sonora Quest Laboratories, I will describe this best I can. The clinical range of test is 250-1100 via Sonora Quest this number varies from lab to lab but optimal range for a 25 year old is around 900-1100, 500 is indeed normal.... for a 50 year old man. (:< During my 4 weeks of HRT dose of 200mg/week my test went up to 800 and stayed around the this lvl, my gains went through the roof just with a 300 boost to my test. My 500test lvls were making it extremely hard to gain anything. But anyways I figured the T I was buying would be around 75% vs my pharmaceutical grade test and I estimated at 600mg/week my test would be around 1500 4 weeks deep when I had my labs done again. As far as the Deca I have decided to drop it from the cycle along with the Caber rest of the cycle is still the same. Dylan is is ok to sub the N2guard for cycle assist? I've read reviews on both, both seems to be good products.
 
Caber is not as expensive as you think.. you only need to take it twice per week so it goes a long ways.

Is your test dosed at 300 mg/ml? If so, I would just run it at 300 mg per week, and then the deca at 400. Also would think about extending the cycle a few weeks.. maybe to 15 weeks, and then drop the deca just a week before the test at week 14. Also, lower your dbol dose a tad bit. 20-30 mg is plenty.

Since you are trying to bulk a bit.. I would cut your body fat down just a tad bit. Will makes things a lot better.
 
NegroPops said:
Caber is not as expensive as you think.. you only need to take it twice per week so it goes a long ways.

Is your test dosed at 300 mg/ml? If so, I would just run it at 300 mg per week, and then the deca at 400. Also would think about extending the cycle a few weeks.. maybe to 15 weeks, and then drop the deca just a week before the test at week 14. Also, lower your dbol dose a tad bit. 20-30 mg is plenty.

Since you are trying to bulk a bit.. I would cut your body fat down just a tad bit. Will makes things a lot better.
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The test is dosed at 500mg/ml, I've decided to drop the Deca because this is my second cycle and the cheapest I could find Caber from a online pharmacy was around 150$ per 4 weeks @ .25mg 2 times weekly. The Dbol is 25mg/cap I'm going to try 1cap/day for the first week and possibly jump to 2caps/day for the last 3 weeks. What do you think about cycle assist? Is it comparable to n2guard? From what I've read it seems to be
 
500 mg per ml.. damn.

You can find caber cheaper than that.. but I understand your reasoning behind not running deca.

Make sure that you split the dbol cap up and take it a few times a day. Orals have pretty sure half lives.

Never used cycle assist.. so I cannot compare. I go with n2guard and lipid stabil.
 
NegroPops said:
500 mg per ml.. damn.

You can find caber cheaper than that.. but I understand your reasoning behind not running deca.

Make sure that you split the dbol cap up and take it a few times a day. Orals have pretty sure half lives.

Never used cycle assist.. so I cannot compare. I go with n2guard and lipid stabil.
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If I cant get anyone to vouch for the cycle assist Ill just go with the n2guard, as far as the caps they cant be broken, capsule form and all. If I can not break them when is the best time to take the full 25mg/cap? I'll do some research on it as well. I found some liquid caber on ag for only 200 but I would prefer the pill form
 
I looked at cycle assist and it looks legit.. especially for your liver.

If you can't break them up.. then I would take it before you workout.
 
NegroPops said:
I looked at cycle assist and it looks legit.. especially for your liver.

If you can't break them up.. then I would take it before you workout.
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Thanks for the advice, Ill be starting the cycle in about a week or two and I'll keep a detailed diary if you want check it out (:
 
I used cycle assist before and its not bad but its not the strongest either... N2Guard was much stronger through personal use...
 
Ive used cycle assist before.. it works but tastes like absolute ass.. used to hate drinking it..

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Thanks Dylan Ill be using n2guard for this cycle, dropped the Deca like most people recommended. I'll let everyone knows how it goes. Thanks for the quest responses.
 
NegroPops said:
Caber is not as expensive as you think.. you only need to take it twice per week so it goes a long ways.

Is your test dosed at 300 mg/ml? If so, I would just run it at 300 mg per week, and then the deca at 400. Also would think about extending the cycle a few weeks.. maybe to 15 weeks, and then drop the deca just a week before the test at week 14. Also, lower your dbol dose a tad bit. 20-30 mg is plenty.

Since you are trying to bulk a bit.. I would cut your body fat down just a tad bit. Will makes things a lot better.
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Deca dick man -,- deca dose shouldnt be higher than your test dose trust ;)

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bonacris said:
Where ever you are sourcung your gear from should have it.. its very common

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in the states it isn't easy to get anymore.. hell even bac water is harder to find these days.. the hcg from hcg clinics are usually underdosed/bunk.. those places are scam artists.
 
stevesmi said:
in the states it isn't easy to get anymore.. hell even bac water is harder to find these days.. the hcg from hcg clinics are usually underdosed/bunk.. those places are scam artists.
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Didnt know that. Sorry my bad

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S1nless said:
Thanks for the advice, Ill be starting the cycle in about a week or two and I'll keep a detailed diary if you want check it out (:
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Is it pink with a furry pen? Bros don't keep diaries ;)
 
stevesmi said:
broscience right here. tell me what causes deca dick and then tell me why you are wrong about this statement
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No bro science, its real science,

Taken from another forum where the guy goes into everything about tren and deca causing erectile dysfunction,

Basically DHT is a strong androgen, and causes erections (think proviron) and when you take test, 5-7% of all test converts to DHT (and gives you erections) where as 19-nortest derivatives such as deca and tren reduce to DHN which does the opposite...

That is why you run test higher....

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paingain86 said:
No bro science, its real science,

Taken from another forum where the guy goes into everything about tren and deca causing erectile dysfunction,

Basically DHT is a strong androgen, and causes erections (think proviron) and when you take test, 5-7% of all test converts to DHT (and gives you erections) where as 19-nortest derivatives such as deca and tren reduce to DHN which does the opposite...

That is why you run test higher....

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19-nors cause prolactin increase, that is where "deca dick" comes from. Raising test will not lower the offending prolactin. Taking Caber/Dostinex will.
 
paingain86 said:
No bro science, its real science,

Taken from another forum where the guy goes into everything about tren and deca causing erectile dysfunction,

Basically DHT is a strong androgen, and causes erections (think proviron) and when you take test, 5-7% of all test converts to DHT (and gives you erections) where as 19-nortest derivatives such as deca and tren reduce to DHN which does the opposite...

That is why you run test higher....

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good explanation about 19 nor's reducing DHN.. however i can point to thousands of threads where guys ran test higher than deca and still had problems. me included. running test doesn't cure everything but it can damn sure make things worse.

also lowering DHT doesn't necessarily give you erections.. if that was true we could just take proviron, masteron, primo etc and call it a day. be careful about listening to internet parroting of advice, it can hurt you

the bottom line is there is no one answer to what causes deca dick... we really don't know. what you read on that other forum is just a theory, but i will mantain that just cause you stack test with it that it won't necessarily cure your issue.. most especially when you come off cycle.. this is why i called that 'bro science' .. it is internet theories by guys who peddle it as fact with no evidence to back it up .. I believe 'deca dick' is caused by a combination of things, but I also believe 'deca dick' isn't just exclusive to deca or any nandrolone.. it can happen on any cycle, and yes even test. but my theory isn't bro science cause I can point you to hundreds of threads from real life experiences while your friend on that other site ignores the threads that show his theory isn't always the case

taking caber while on will most definately help no matter what as lowering prolactin fools the brain into not being satisfied from sex.. that feeling you get when you blow your load where you want to get away from the girl as fast as possible and go watch the game gets lessened.

bottom line is I choose not to run nandrolones period. been there and done that. the recovery from 'deca' makes it counter productive to goals. its a long and stubborn ester and if you want to go that route atleast choose NPP instead atleast with those of us who choose to cycle and not just stay on
 
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stevesmi said:
good explanation about 19 nor's reducing DHN.. however i can point to thousands of threads where guys ran test higher than deca and still had problems. me included. running test doesn't cure everything but it can damn sure make things worse.

also lowering DHT doesn't necessarily give you erections.. if that was true we could just take proviron, masteron, primo etc and call it a day. be careful about listening to internet parroting of advice, it can hurt you

the bottom line is there is no one answer to what causes deca dick... we really don't know. what you read on that other forum is just a theory, but i will mantain that just cause you stack test with it that it won't necessarily cure your issue.. most especially when you come off cycle.. this is why i called that 'bro science' .. it is internet theories by guys who peddle it as fact with no evidence to back it up .. I believe 'deca dick' is caused by a combination of things, but I also believe 'deca dick' isn't just exclusive to deca or any nandrolone.. it can happen on any cycle, and yes even test. but my theory isn't bro science cause I can point you to hundreds of threads from real life experiences while your friend on that other site ignores the threads that show his theory isn't always the case

taking caber while on will most definately help no matter what as lowering prolactin fools the brain into not being satisfied from sex.. that feeling you get when you blow your load where you want to get away from the girl as fast as possible and go watch the game gets lessened.

bottom line is I choose not to run nandrolones period. been there and done that. the recovery from 'deca' makes it counter productive to goals. its a long and stubborn ester and if you want to go that route atleast choose NPP instead atleast with those of us who choose to cycle and not just stay on
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Nans are very harsh on the system,

I would like to point out that every person is different but the majority will study and understand that deca and tren at higher dosages will cause erectile dysfunction yes ok some people may escape this but most wont,

Internet is a very harsh place but when your talking to a qualified doctor on the matter I would take his word / knowledge / experience over anyone else :D

Me personally thinks 600 test e 400 dec with a dbol kick start is a great cycle I would even go on to say the more experienced user could mix tren e in there instead of deca, but for his second cycle i would not recommend dec, just test e dbol kicker will do :) get a few cycles under your belt diet down to a key,

People get great gains over the years just using test e, never need to use anything else



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paingain86 said:
Internet is a very harsh place but when your talking to a qualified doctor on the matter I would take his word / knowledge / experience over anyone else :D
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doctors are not taught about AAS in college... they know nothing about them. unless the doc himself bodybuilds which just like any profession is a very tiny amount.

i play poker with a bunch of doctors and its a hoot discussing AAS with them. they are extremely ignorant on them and I would never take their advice on lifting, steroids, bodybuilding ... golf or tennis yes they can give good pointers on those.. you can't learn this stuff from a book anyway, real life experience trumps anything you can learn in college even if they did teach them

just like taking investment advice from a 'broker' or an 'investmen advisor' ... in reality those clowns don't know the difference between a hedge fund and a hedge hog.. would rather take advice from George Soros or Warren Buffet.. guys that are self made and made their money through smart investments. just cause someone works in the financial industry doesn't make them geniuses on investments and money.
 
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