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Day two of sobriety

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Starting to hurt pretty back but I have to be done by Monday as I start my new job. We have been trying to get some suboxone that is the new drug to help with opiate addiction but have been unsuccessful because we don't want to go to treatment for it.

I keep telling myself to hold it together, break free just break free of this slavery.
 
Hold onto that sobriety broham....Don't let go...If you need anyone to talk to..PM me or get my e-mail...I'll give you my other e-mail.
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Starting to hurt pretty back but I have to be done by Monday as I start my new job. We have been trying to get some suboxone that is the new drug to help with opiate addiction but have been unsuccessful because we don't want to go to treatment for it.

I keep telling myself to hold it together, break free just break free of this slavery.

Good luck dude. I have a number of friends that got hooked on oxy's and it's made their lives hell. Only one has stayed sober.
 
Starting to hurt pretty back but I have to be done by Monday as I start my new job. We have been trying to get some suboxone that is the new drug to help with opiate addiction but have been unsuccessful because we don't want to go to treatment for it.

I keep telling myself to hold it together, break free just break free of this slavery.

One day at a time, bro.

Best Wishes!
 
Keep a watch on your kidneys as my stepson had kidney failure because the prison didn't believe he having withdrawls.... Hang bro, we with ya.
 
Starting to hurt pretty back but I have to be done by Monday as I start my new job. We have been trying to get some suboxone that is the new drug to help with opiate addiction but have been unsuccessful because we don't want to go to treatment for it.

I keep telling myself to hold it together, break free just break free of this slavery.

what are you quitting and how long have you been using??
 
My first 10 days were a blur. Hang in there. Gotta get past the initial physical part and then its all mental. The mental is tough but at least you don't feel like shit. PM me with any questions you might have.

This early you might have to take it one day, one hour, 10 minutes, or 1 breath at a time. Just keep looking straight ahead, don't look back for anything.
 
Just keep the eyes on the prize .... how good you will feel once you have kicked the addiction.
Opiate withdrawl symptoms depend on how long you have been using it, how much you were taking and by what route.
First 2 or 3 days are the worst ones, and then withdrawl symptoms subside.
Drink plenty of liquids. Take OTC medicines for withdrawl symptoms: Imodium for diarrhea, motrin for pain, etc.
Don't hesitate to go to the ER if you feel very sick.
 
6 monthes clean here bro.I ended my reckless drugged up lifestyle with a 300.00 a day dope habit.You Wanna talk pm me.
 
what are you quitting and how long have you been using??

Been actually addicted to them since December. We would get 3 scripts, 120 30mg roxy's, 120 methadone, 120 xanax. We'd eat the 120 roxy's in a couple weeks and that's with both uf us having these scripts so you can do the math on how much oxycodone that was. We would then use the methadone for the last couple weeks until we got our next script.

About 4 months back, we decided we needed to stop the roxy's because they were simply useless to us. We would have to take 10 30mg at once to feel anything and it just wasn't worth the risk of that much at one time. We would though get up to 10-12 through the course of a couple hours.

We started using methadone but not as a maintenance drug. We would take 8-10 of them to party. I guess I'm one of the rare ones that actually gets messed up on them because 10 methadone gives the same effect as a bunch of roxy's to me.

Anyways, about 2-3 months ago, we started tapering down. We tapered something like

10-12 pills to 7-8
5-6 pills to 3-4
1-2 pills to 1/2 to 1

We've now been on 1/4 which is 2.5 mg of methadone for a week or so and we're completely out. We do have a few suboxone a piece if things get hairy but we're gonna do this the hard way

I'm hoping given the fact that we haven't been addicted for that long plus the extreme low dose of methadone that we are at will decrease the overall severity of the withdrawals.
 
Stay strong brother, it will be tough, but almost anything worth having in life will be
 
Starting to hurt pretty back but I have to be done by Monday as I start my new job. We have been trying to get some suboxone that is the new drug to help with opiate addiction but have been unsuccessful because we don't want to go to treatment for it.

I keep telling myself to hold it together, break free just break free of this slavery.

when you say WE i assume you mean you and your wife?
I wish the best for you and hope you find the strength to hold it together, for the sake of your daughter
 
when you say WE i assume you mean you and your wife?
I wish the best for you and hope you find the strength to hold it together, for the sake of your daughter

Yes my wife and I are doing this together which I don't know is making it better or worse. Plus having to unpack our new house while watching an 18 month old plus I start my new job on Monday so a lot of stuff needs to be done but it won't be done if we continue to feel this bad or worse

It's only been the 2nd day and we're flippin already. We know we MUST do this not only because it was ripping our marriage apart but for our daughter and my new job and our lively hood.

The only thing curbing the withdrawal a little is weed. We have been smoking all day which doesn't inhibit us from playing with our daughter mind you. We're trying to find the most clean and best available but it's hard to find people that actually care enough about what they're selling to know what strain, indica or sativa etc.

We have also had to take xanax to curb the panic attacks plus we've had to take a bunch of them just to get tired enough to sleep. Which is where I'm heading so I hope I at least get a couple hours of sleep.

Don't let anyone get this far if you know they are using an addictive drug. It truly does ruin lives
 
your only kidding yourself if you think your little taper program is going to get you off opiates you need professional help and you don't need sub or done. Your habit was quite small my friend and be glad it was.If you are down to 5mg of done a day the worst is over however i still recomend checking into a detox and starting on the steps it will take every ounce of strength you have left to quit using and start living a clean life and only than will you feel human again.Pm me if i can help believe me bro I chased dope for 20 years and only now am i alive for the first time.
 
My best friend and his brother were terribly strung-out on Oxy's. You have to hang in there. Eventually you'll realize how great you feel without then, but until them you feel like your world is gong to end.

Do NOT give in. This is something you simply have to win. There is no alternative. Always keep your eye on that prize -- the baby.

Good luck!
 
Starting to hurt pretty back but I have to be done by Monday as I start my new job. We have been trying to get some suboxone that is the new drug to help with opiate addiction but have been unsuccessful because we don't want to go to treatment for it.

I keep telling myself to hold it together, break free just break free of this slavery.

Im with you.. I just got clean from Alcohol and I was fine the 2 days however I had to hire an RN to stay with me from Thursday until Monday. no joke.. She had to feed me and give me medicine because I was so damn sick I did not want my family or anyone else for that matter to know and I knew I would not be able to take care of myself. She had to give me injections of Fenergin and then administer Ativan via a shot..I was so damn sick I could not function.. It was expensive as hell for a RN for 40 hours however I have my life back..
 
It's like a cutting diet, man. Concentrate on the progress you're making. Stay active. Go to bed early. Less idle time to think about it. Get some ZMA. It really does help you sleep.
 
I guess I should give a little background. We started partying off of them last year but the addiction didn't start until xmas. I originally start using them because the pain on my knees, back, etc were taking a serious tole on me because I was transporting patients for radiology while in school. I lifted patient and pushed them on stretchers. It seems like easy work but when you're picking up 250lbs+ person from their bed to the stretcher or wheelchair is hard fucking work. Plus I was working two 16 hour shifs plus school during the week which was usully clinicals which equaled a lot fo work and stress and over all hatred of our new boss, I would take them during work becasue it was much funner while doing so. soon that became everyday then we start partying off of them. I completely regret getting in to this but I MUST be strong and get out of this.

I am waiting for a call for center for drug free living on a 3 days out patient center which would be great if I am accepted
 
Yeah, get in some kind of program ASAP. Addiction is an obsession of the mind and allergy of the body. That's a one/two punch that you CANNOT handle without outside help. The mind will trick you in many clever ways.

Doing it together with the person you live with would be like double the mental trouble. That's two addictions working against you and her.

I could barely handle my own sick much less another's. Be very careful. Either one of you can take you both down. It happens all the time.

Keep updating this thread. That will help as well.
 
Im with you.. I just got clean from Alcohol and I was fine the 2 days however I had to hire an RN to stay with me from Thursday until Monday. no joke.. She had to feed me and give me medicine because I was so damn sick I did not want my family or anyone else for that matter to know and I knew I would not be able to take care of myself. She had to give me injections of Fenergin and then administer Ativan via a shot..I was so damn sick I could not function.. It was expensive as hell for a RN for 40 hours however I have my life back..

The problem is that with us having to move, we our broker tank broke. I'm talking 100's in the negative right now.

I keep leaving a message with a clinic that I talked to about an outpatient program but she said I had to be off of xanax before they could start. From that day until now, I haven't taken any which is 1.5 weeks. I had to go at least 3 days without withdrawals and I was fine because I knew I wasn't addicted to them. She said I sounded like an excellent candidate for some gov't funded outpatient program where they put you on suboxone and monitor you. This will be my ONLY option as I Have to be ready for my new job. I'm just hoping the schedule that they require is something I can do though. If I have to come in everyday, it would probably be 5pm before I could make it because of work next week.

The other shitty thing is that I just called their general number and it said that they only accept evals on Thursdays so if that woman would have called me yesterday, I may have been able to get in today.

Very frustrating. Hurting but not serious yet ie: diarrhea, vomiting and all that nasty stuff.

Only extreme vertigo feelings, restless leg syndrome, sneezing constantly. Anxiety is the worst and it almost feels like I'm 10 again with growing pains but over my entire body. I'm gonna see if heating pad works for the aching as they feel exactly like growing pains.

We have 11 1/4 pieces of suboxone which would be 2mg equivalent. I'm hoping that we are transitioning from such a low dose of methadone (most stop methadone at a minimum of 30mg, a lower dose of suboxone will help. Some people have to take 24mg of it a day but these are recovering heroin addicts or painkiller addicts that have been using excessive amounts for years instead of months like us

I just wish I would wake up one day and not hurt. I don't care about feeling good right now as I would settle with not hurting.
 
Yeah, get in some kind of program ASAP. Addiction is an obsession of the mind and allergy of the body. That's a one/two punch that you CANNOT handle without outside help. The mind will trick you in many clever ways.

Doing it together with the person you live with would be like double the mental trouble. That's two addictions working against you and her.

I could barely handle my own sick much less another's. Be very careful. Either one of you can take you both down. It happens all the time.

Keep updating this thread. That will help as well.


We MUST do this together. We got ourselves in to this mess so we have to get out of it. Especially for our daughter. Honestly though, We weren't completely blitx beyond the point of taking care of her while we were using. In actuality, we all had more fun because we were in such a happy mood. That's the problem with it being so psychologically addictive. Ever before I was addicted, they made everything better. I took them recreationally without feeling any ill effects the next day. I could wake up, feel absolutely normal then pop some pills later in the day as a pick me up. If we were out, no big deal. We would just wait for some more and not stress out about.

Once the daily use started, I remember waking up feeling like shit. Anxiety was through the roof, I was sweating yet cold. So I took some pills and felt fine within 15 minutes (roxy's are instant release so they hit fast and hard). This was a few days before Christmas. I kept telling my wife that we needed to get off of these but we never did. I ended up having a job lined up right after school but failed a drug test because of the methadone. I drank the normal stuff I use to pass and all the weed and oxycodone was gone but methadone I guess can stay in your system for months which I had to clue. So I lose the first job out of school.

Yet that still didn't deter us. We went another 3-4 months before finally saying enough is enough. The Dr we used got busted, the friendship between the person who introduced us to the Dr and a friend of 8 years was destroyed because of long standing issues.

We had to taper down with what little we had. We would find more methadone here and there but that dried up and here we are. Trying to break free of this fucking enslavement. People who have never been addicted to anything have absolutely no clue how it feels to be trapped like this.

Our unpacking of our new house as pretty much stopped because we have no energy at all. The only thing that seems to help a little is getting out of the house and just going anywhere. The pain isn't as bad in a public place for some reason. If I could only get this mindset at home, I would be ok but I can't seem to convince myself that Being in a public place and at home are the same thing.

But I'm starting to think that same way as you. I told my wife that I think we're increasing each others pain because we see each other hurting which makes us hurt worse. Plus talking about it makes my wife go insane. I try stressing that this isn't a game, we have no more options, we HAVE to do this and she says this makes her pain worse so I can't even do a pep talk of sorts to help hold her together.

I was expecting to feel much worse than I do though so I guess that's one good thing about this shitty situation
 
You obviously have the desire to get better.
Addiction is strong but you are stronger.
Help is there for you you just have to take it. Go to meetings. Talk to people and change your focus from drugging. Impossible to quit something that constantly occupies your mind. Stay busy and stay focused on important things like your health, your life and your daughter's.
Good luck.
 
do you have family around to help out with the kid???

Don't want family to know. I'm managing but my wife is hurtin pretty bad. She's been addicted for much longer than I though. I'd say 16 months or so.

Which comes to another point about the reason for her abuse. I think she went through Post partum depression but never admitted it. I tried and tried to get her to considering seeing someone but she refused. I think the fact that I was in school for 40 hours a week plus the 32 hours on the weekend really got to her since she raised our daughter by herself pretty much from the day she was born on March 6th 2007 to December 2007

Another thing I thought about is how easily one can have this type of addiction and be fully functional. Off of other addictive drugs, you're pretty much stuck wherever you're at. I would be completely blitzed at work and no one had a clue at all. That's one of the many dangerous things about these drugs and why so many people are hooked on them. You can do everything exactly the same sober but just in a better mood. It's kinda like that alcohol courage you get before getting slammed. You're up, happy, and willing to talk to anyone. Something I really never did before. So in essence it's given me the ability to become a people person. Even after I dropped down to 2.5 mg for the maintenance dose before coming off, I'm just a more talkative person.

So I can at least say one positive thing came out of this hell. The next positive thing is freedom
 
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Don't want family to know. I'm managing but my wife is hurtin pretty bad. She's been addicted for much longer than I though. I'd say 16 months or so.

Which comes to another point about the reason for her abuse. I think she went through Post partum depression but never admitted it. I tried and tried to get her to considering seeing someone but she refused. I think the fact that I was in school for 40 hours a week plus the 32 hours on the weekend really got to her since she raised our daughter by herself pretty much from the day she was born on March 6th 2007 to December 2007

Another thing I thought about is how easily one can have this type of addiction and be fully functional. Off of other addictive drugs, you're pretty much stuck wherever you're at. I would be completely blitzed at work and no one had a clue at all. That's one of the many dangerous things about these drugs and why so many people are hooked on them. You can do everything exactly the same sober but just in a better mood. It's kinda like that alcohol courage you get before getting slammed. You're up, happy, and willing to talk to anyone. Something I really never did before. So in essence it's given me the ability to become a people person. Even after I dropped down to 2.5 mg for the maintenance dose before coming off, I'm just a more talkative person.

So I can at least say one positive thing came out of this hell. The next positive thing is freedom


you really ought to have some support available just in case. . .for the kid's sake. . .i'm truly impressed with what you're trying to do but, when you have a kid, it's not "your life" anymore. . .
 
you really ought to have some support available just in case. . .for the kid's sake. . .i'm truly impressed with what you're trying to do but, when you have a kid, it's not "your life" anymore. . .

Completely agree which is why I just left the 3rd message with a woman at a treatment center. I called the operator to see if there was anyone else that could help and she said "well you're just gonna have to wait for her to get back with you" WTF kind of answer is that?

Trust me man, the main reason for doing this is for her. The problem is that for most of her life, we have been using. The first six months it was just occasionally, maybe once or twice a week. The next six months and on is when it became a daily thing.

It's hard to have fun with her because everytime we played with her, we were in a great mood. That's the psychological part of this shit. Trying to convince myself that the same things can be just as fun sober as they are high.

The problem with that is I'm a realist. You can't sit there and tell me that doing things high isn't more fun than doing it sober. It just isn't possible chemically. The drugs make the brain flood the body with serotonin and whatever other feel good hormones thus making whatever experience that much better.

Even though that may be the case, I would still rather try to at least be content while doing things. Then eventually I'll forget about the pills being more fun and I'll just consider it fun. Well that's the idealist way of looking at it. I hope it comes true though
 
Don't hide this from your family you need them now more than you ever did(Im pretty sure they know anyways)You are only kidding yourself if you think your little get sober plan on your own is gonna work I got news for you ............IT WONT!!Sure you might get a week or 2 of clean time than you will just pick up where you left off.As an Addict in recovery myself I have tried everything to the point Of exhaustion.I promise if you ask your family for help they will give it to you.You need to get into a detox for at least 10 days than pursue an outpatient program including the steps and 90 meetings in 90 days.I wish TXBONDSMEN was here He is much better at explaining the process of recovery.I wish you luck and if you need someone to talk to PM me.
 
Don't hide this from your family you need them now more than you ever did(Im pretty sure they know anyways)You are only kidding yourself if you think your little get sober plan on your own is gonna work I got news for you ............IT WONT!!Sure you might get a week or 2 of clean time than you will just pick up where you left off.As an Addict in recovery myself I have tried everything to the point Of exhaustion.I promise if you ask your family for help they will give it to you.You need to get into a detox for at least 10 days than pursue an outpatient program including the steps and 90 meetings in 90 days.I wish TXBONDSMEN was here He is much better at explaining the process of recovery.I wish you luck and if you need someone to talk to PM me.


I realize that this is a possibility because I'm a realist but from personal experience last week, when I went to orientation, I went two days and felt no withdrawals at all. When I'm home, shit hits the fan for some reason. I can be hurting at home, go to work and be fine. I'm not talking about just able to function, I'm talking I show no signs of withdrawal at all.

I admit I'm stubborn and refuse to go inpatient because that would completely screw me out of the first full time job I have been able to find since I graduated in December. My family's livelihood depend on this job. We will not be able to stay in the house we just moved in to last week. This HAS to work.

The lady that I'm still waiting on a call back from said they had a 3 day outpatient program where they evaluate them prescribe suboxone. From there, I'm not sure how many meetings I will have to go to but I hope they have late ones.

We would absolutely crumble if I had to go to inpatient rehab. I'm not a junkie who has been on them for years. I am fully aware that addiction is addiction but there are degrees of it and I am on the low end of that. Considering I tapered down to 2.5mg of methadone, that's a quarter of the pill when it's only 2 halves. 1/4 of a pill wiped out all symptoms. For most addicts, they can't get below 30mg without hurting.

I truly believe I can do this if I had a script for suboxone. It's extremely hard to get unless you enter a program becasuse its licensed by the DEA so the Dr has to be licensed from them to prescribe it. The problem with that is money to which we have none. I mean NONE. This has nothing to do with the addiction by the way. When we were getting scripts regularly, I was using my insurance that I had at the time and paid $6 for all three so no we didn't blow all our money on drugs.

That's why I was hopeful this woman would call me back because she said I would qualify for such an outpatient treatment that is gov't funded so I wouldn't have to pay.

Forgot to add that I'm not close with my family so it's not something that I would ever go to them about. It's not like we have a broken family or anything. I just don't have that kind of connection with my parents or any of my relatives. Once I moved out, it was thanks and goodbye. We talk all the time and we see them often since my entire family is in the same county. I have never looked to them for advice
 
Completely agree which is why I just left the 3rd message with a woman at a treatment center. I called the operator to see if there was anyone else that could help and she said "well you're just gonna have to wait for her to get back with you" WTF kind of answer is that?

Trust me man, the main reason for doing this is for her. The problem is that for most of her life, we have been using. The first six months it was just occasionally, maybe once or twice a week. The next six months and on is when it became a daily thing.

It's hard to have fun with her because everytime we played with her, we were in a great mood. That's the psychological part of this shit. Trying to convince myself that the same things can be just as fun sober as they are high.

The problem with that is I'm a realist. You can't sit there and tell me that doing things high isn't more fun than doing it sober. It just isn't possible chemically. The drugs make the brain flood the body with serotonin and whatever other feel good hormones thus making whatever experience that much better.

Even though that may be the case, I would still rather try to at least be content while doing things. Then eventually I'll forget about the pills being more fun and I'll just consider it fun. Well that's the idealist way of looking at it. I hope it comes true though

still. . .you should at least have a "friend" lined up in case you and/or your wife go bat-shit crazy during the process. . .certainly you have a friend (like me) who doesn't ask a bunch of fucking questions, that you can put on alert, so if things get too rough, you have someone to call that can step-in and baby-sit for a while until you're out of the woods. . .personally, i'd do that for any of my friends and i wouldn't ask any questions. . .
 
still. . .you should at least have a "friend" lined up in case you and/or your wife go bat-shit crazy during the process. . .certainly you have a friend (like me) who doesn't ask a bunch of fucking questions, that you can put on alert, so if things get too rough, you have someone to call that can step-in and baby-sit for a while until you're out of the woods. . .personally, i'd do that for any of my friends and i wouldn't ask any questions. . .

Yea My best friends wife who I've also known since high school is a psychologist who has worked with substance abuse issues.

They have said they would be more than willing to come up here and watch her if need be so I'm covered there
 
Trust me man, the main reason for doing this is for her.
As good as the words sound, you can't quit FOR anybody but yourself. You can't quit for kids, family, anyone but you. Are they a motivator, yes, will they keep you from using, sorry to say, no. If they did, we'd have many more people who could get sober, but sadly that not the case. I often wondered why on airplanes the attendants told you to "place the mask over your face first, then over you childs", I thought that seemed wrong, you want you kids to survive, do them first. After some thought, if your not able to save yourself first, you may not be able to even put the damn thing on them to save them. You have to save yourself first, then they automatically will be OK if you are.

It's hard to have fun with her because everytime we played with her, we were in a great mood. That's the psychological part of this shit. Trying to convince myself that the same things can be just as fun sober as they are high..

That's normal, some things aren't as fun. period. end of story. I'll give you a personal example. concerts for me. Some activities act as triggers and have to be avoided anyway, at least for a period of time. Fishing was that way for me, and it was hard to listen to certain songs, etc, but it gets ok.

The problem with that is I'm a realist. You can't sit there and tell me that doing things high isn't more fun than doing it sober. It just isn't possible chemically. The drugs make the brain flood the body with serotonin and whatever other feel good hormones thus making whatever experience that much better.

OK, MR. Realist, your exactly right, they are not as fun. How much fun is it puking, shiting, crying, puking, sweating, crying, sweating, shitting, puking, and doing all that all over again. When the pain exceeds the pleasure, you'll not worry about the little things like what's fun and what isn't. You'll be willing to go to any lengths to find serinity, inner calm, peace.

Even though that may be the case, I would still rather try to at least be content while doing things. Then eventually I'll forget about the pills being more fun and I'll just consider it fun. Well that's the idealist way of looking at it. I hope it comes true though

You forget the pills you'll use agian I can promise you that, with 100% accuracy. You HAVE to remember the pills, I didn't say obsess on them, the key is to remeber them and not dwell on them, to move past them, but NEVER forgetting. You'll have the stinkin thinkin that comes in time, maybe just 1, amybe just this much won't hurt, all that kind of shit, it creaps into your head w/o you noticing. Then I want you to rememver your worst days, the pain, the depression, not the good times out partying and dancing, the times where death would have been easier, those times.
Can life be fun again, absolutely. Will it be like you remember it, never again. And IMO, I'll take this over that anyday.....anyday.

I'll have a birthday God willing on the 3rd of Oct, 7:00 AM, 8 years clean and sober, friend of Bill
 
I'm throwing you strength bro
I'm an addict(heroin/crack/OC's/methadone)
I feel your pain and know exactly what you are going through

The suboxones will really take the edge of bro
just make sure you haven't taken any methadone for at least 24 hours

do not swallow any of your saliva, put under tounge, and let dissolve into bloodstream. Do not swallow
You can also snort them (nasty, but I have done it)
 
I'm throwing you strength bro
I'm an addict(heroin/crack/OC's/methadone)
I feel your pain and know exactly what you are going through

The suboxones will really take the edge of bro
just make sure you haven't taken any methadone for at least 24 hours

do not swallow any of your saliva, put under tounge, and let dissolve into bloodstream. Do not swallow
You can also snort them (nasty, but I have done it)

^^^ now tell him how you stay off. Quiting is easy, but the hard part is to stop starting.
 
^^^ now tell him how you stay off. Quiting is easy, but the hard part is to stop starting.


He sounds like he has alot going for him with his new job, daughter etc etc

The hard part is when you think you are in the clear, and it's "ok" to just have one night of fun, or one drink.

Trust me, it's not worth it
 
If there is ANYTHING you do today(besides not pick up)I would listen to TXBONDSMAN and just try to understand What it is you NEED to do Today and Only today.I really believe you are not ready to surrender just yet.But I hope when you do its not when they are dropping your casket in the ground or the judge is handing you a life sentence.Am I harsh?I wish someone would have beat my ass to show me how stupid i was.
 
As good as the words sound, you can't quit FOR anybody but yourself. You can't quit for kids, family, anyone but you. Are they a motivator, yes, will they keep you from using, sorry to say, no. If they did, we'd have many more people who could get sober, but sadly that not the case. I often wondered why on airplanes the attendants told you to "place the mask over your face first, then over you childs", I thought that seemed wrong, you want you kids to survive, do them first. After some thought, if your not able to save yourself first, you may not be able to even put the damn thing on them to save them. You have to save yourself first, then they automatically will be OK if you are.

Sorry man I should have known that would be taken a little too literally. This is for me. This is so I can go back to the gym. This is so I can keep this job. So we can keep this house. So I can finally be fairly normal.

I'm sorry you took some of the stuff so literally I should have been more precise in my explanation. Of course I know things won't ever be as fun as when using. That's why I said, I'm hopeful that I will be able to eventually stop comparing life's events with using as that seems to me to be the final hurdle cross before becoming free.

I finally talked to the lady from the treatment center. The first time she told me that I had to be off xanax, ok I stopped for 1.5 weeks up until the last two days. She then said that since I had taken some, I would fail the drug screen and due to the possible dependence issue of benzos and the contraindications with suboxone are severe (I knew all this but just let her keep talking) I then told her I went 1.5 weeks without one and felt no ill effects yet you think I'm addicted after taking some for 2 days? I told her the reason for the xanax was to sleep. But they wouldn't buy that since who trusts a junkie right?

So they want to put me into a 3 day inpatient for observation to make sure I don't have a seizure from benzo withdrawal since they still wouldn't believe me.

I told her" look =, isn't there a place where I can just get evaluated, given a maintenane dose of suboxone and see the doc a couple times a week?" Sure there are and you're gonna pay for it for which I can't do.

We just located 30 more suboxone so if we can keep stockpiling them, we'll be fine.

The lady said that only 3% of people who do not seek help don't relapse. We'll be in that 3%

But then it all stems back to how much can you believe a person on the internet? All I can say is that I will be 100% truthful either way because that's me. I don't lie and you can even ask my wife. There have been times she wanted me to lie for her and I said no. I don't lie. Honesty is really big with me
 
He sounds like he has alot going for him with his new job, daughter etc etc

The hard part is when you think you are in the clear, and it's "ok" to just have one night of fun, or one drink.

Trust me, it's not worth it

Reason that it doesn't apply to us as much is because we don't have any friends. That live anywhere near anyways. The last person who was our friend but also the person we found the Dr for the scripts is completely out of our lives. I cut off communication with him months ago after a lot of shit went down which is when I bought that gun I talked about on here. She kept in touch mainly for free drugs plus she would occassionally go down with him to the dr's for the script. We wouldn't have to pay a thing because the roxy's were the moneymakers. You can get methadone for $5 and we were getting it for $1-2 so that in it of itself was the problem. On demand access.

Last week, my wife and him finally had a falling out over money for methadone that he "lost". He has no idea where we live either. The only other person who we know where to get some wouldn't give us any because he thinks we're already clean. He's a recovering addict so he would NEVER get some for us.

Other than that, I would have to actually solicit strangers for it. Trust me, in our quest to find more methadone to keep tapering down, we found that we knew not a single person who knew how to get it. It wasn't like I partied with a bunch of friends. It was me, my wife, and our previous friend.

This I think is yet another positive step toward freedom
 
cool bro
that IS good
connections are not good to have when quitting drugs
narcotics are tough to get nowadays because they are cracking down on doctors
that's why I turned to free base
I still get calls every couple of weeks from two guys who were raking in $1000-1500 weekly from me combined


stay strong bro
take lots of advil or motrin
3-4 200 mgs 4 times daily w/food (200lb person)


It's not that bad
You went to school
got a job now
I envy you
life is good

the hardest part is already over(physicall)
you are almost three days in!
 
Holy shit I took a quarter suboxone at 6:30 and I actually feel normal! For the first couple hours, I still had the muscle cramps but now nothing. A little headache but I'm not sure if that's related or not. It turned out that the 30 suboxone we were gonna get was a misunderstanding and the guy thought we wanted xanax for some ungodly reason so I'm left with 10 quarters and my wife is left with 9 quarters because she took a half instead of a quarter.

My wife I think is gonna have the worst of it now. She didn't even want to talk about the pain before we took the suboxone. I kept trying to give her pep talks saying things like we NEED to do this, we are out of options, there's no way out except freedom, etc. She said stop because it was making her feel worse. I keep trying to give her suggestions on things to do to take her mind off of it but none of them work for her.

I just finished talking to my friends wife who's a psychologist for over an hour and she agrees that my wife is gonna have it worse simply because of the longer period of addiction. Worse case scenario is that our friends could come up here and help with our daughter while I'm at work next week but I'm hopeful that she'll feel as good as I do on just a quarter so we can stretch the few suboxone that we have for as long as possible. Plus it gives us that much more time to find more.

Like I've been saying, I really don't think I'm at the level of most addicts. If you would have asked me this last week, I would have answered differently but I really do think that as long as we have the suboxone, we'll be fine. It's getting the expensive ass medication and the process it involves that's the bitch. I don't have thousands of dollars for the program. Hell I've heard depending on the number needed, the cost can be as high as $700 per month. That's something that isn't possible and finding them on the street is almost just as impossible. I think the reason why it's so hard around here is that the Dr I used to go to got busted after an 8 month long investigation. As soon as he was arrested, there were about 5 robberies of pharmacies in the next couple weeks. That's how much shit this Dr was giving out. He would have the script pads already filled out so all he had to do was put your name is. He was reckless and stupid to think he wouldn't get caught.

Anyways, I'm hoping I can kick this within the timeframe that we have given the limited amount of suboxone. It's so ironic that they charge so much for people to help break free of such slavery. You would think that they would want to give this stuff out since it's so effective. But that's not good business and that's what it's all about unfortunately.
 
How many Suboxones 8mg I'm guessing do you and your wife have between you?

I've done many tapers with them so I can help if I know
 
believe it or not in my and most experience
the less suboxone you take, the better you feel
Not saying don't take any, this is good you have some

let's say you have three left, cut it into 1/4s that will leave you with 12 doses
try top take 1/4 every 6 hours while you are awake

Please keep me updated
i want to help
 
BTW Methadone f-d me up too
alot of peeps think it has no rec. value
how the f? did you take 100mgs of done' in a day
I take 30mgs and I'd scratch my face off

i always was careful with methadone
that's the worst drug to be addicted too
gets into your bones and fat cells and it's a long ass withdrawel period
 
So what makes you think your a "better"addict than others?Or that your Not as bad.Whether you drink beer for breakfast or you stick yourself with coke and heroin We All(as addicts) suffer from the same disease and we recover the same way.
 
So what makes you think your a "better"addict than others?Or that your Not as bad.Whether you drink beer for breakfast or you stick yourself with coke and heroin We All(as addicts) suffer from the same disease and we recover the same way.

some habits are more severe than others, tolerance, type of drugs you were using

I'd rather be kicking slammin dope than methadone
but you are right, we are all addicts
some cases are worse than others
the hard part is staying away
 
believe it or not in my and most experience
the less suboxone you take, the better you feel
Not saying don't take any, this is good you have some

let's say you have three left, cut it into 1/4s that will leave you with 12 doses
try top take 1/4 every 6 hours while you are awake

Please keep me updated
i want to help


Yea we have 10 quarter pieces left so 2mg per dose. I feel really fried today but that may be from all the weed we smoked yesterday. We smoked every half hour for almost the entire day. Was really cranked off of the suboxone though. I mean I had all kinds of energy and we didn't get to sleep until after 2am. I didn't want to go to sleep because I enjoyed the feeling of normalcy so much but I feel fine right now. No withdrawals yet but they usually don't start getting bad until the early afternoon so I'll have to see how I feel later on.

Like you said, we're gonna make these stretch as long as possible. Instead of taking them as soon as we wake up and get into the habit again of taking something every morning, we're gonna wait until we need to take another dose.


So what makes you think your a "better"addict than others?Or that your Not as bad.Whether you drink beer for breakfast or you stick yourself with coke and heroin We All(as addicts) suffer from the same disease and we recover the same way.

Not better than other addicts just different because of the shorter time than using than most addicts that I've read about. Hell every addiction messageboard I went to, most had been addicted for years whereas it hasn't even been a year for me.

I agree that I'm still an addict and no matter the level, I'm just as fucked up as the next person. I'm a very logical person so I'm always thinking about every possible scenario about how to handle this. Every conclusion I come up with when comparing symptoms, length of use, type of use(usually swallowed the pill and can count the number of times I snorted roxy's on one hand, and overall lifestyle difference, I honestly feel that I'm a better candidate at sobriety than a lot of other people.

I didn't mean to make it sound like every other addict is worthless, just that I'm a little more grounded because of all the things I listed.

BTW Methadone f-d me up too
alot of peeps think it has no rec. value
how the f? did you take 100mgs of done' in a day
I take 30mgs and I'd scratch my face off

i always was careful with methadone
that's the worst drug to be addicted too
gets into your bones and fat cells and it's a long ass withdrawel period

Shit man I had to take 30mg-50 just to take the edge off when I ran out of roxy's. I would then take more and more because I could attain the same high from them. I don't know why because even my wife says she doesn't feel a thing. Once I would get to 10+, it would be hard to keep my eyes open unless I was doing stuff.
 
Yea we have 10 quarter pieces left so 2mg per dose. I feel really fried today but that may be from all the weed we smoked yesterday. We smoked every half hour for almost the entire day. Was really cranked off of the suboxone though. I mean I had all kinds of energy and we didn't get to sleep



Shit man I had to take 30mg-50 just to take the edge off when I ran out of roxy's. I would then take more and more because I could attain the same high from them. I don't know why because even my wife says she doesn't feel a thing. Once I would get to 10+, it would be hard to keep my eyes open unless I was doing stuff.

cool bro, still take the 1/4 around noon time
and you should be fine for the rest of the day
there still is some withdrawel symptoms coming off suboxones and it's usually three days or so after
nothing bad, just heightened anxiety and leg pain

let me know how you are feeling throughout the day
I'll K you my phone number if you need to talk or advice
 
The lady said that only 3% of people who do not seek help don't relapse. We'll be in that 3%

it's actually < 2%, I hope you are in there. I'd find a group of people, whether AA or NA, that have acommon purpose. They're good groups and not so good, keep looking and asking till you find one that has people with whom you like to associate. I think that you'll find the support amazing and that they're insights are very helpful.

* fyi Whether your athiest, agnostic, or religious, I'd suggest that you start/have some sort of relationship with a higher power. It doesn't cost anything and it's worked for many a person, ones who did fall in the 2% more often than not, and it's always good to do what other sucessful people have done.
 
You guys smoke pot all day, do you do that in front of your daughter?

I'll leave the marijuana debate to Lestat's threads as we agree about marijuana prohibition but yes, we had to pretty much put her in her playpen while she watched baby einstein videos. She loves watching them and has no problem sitting in there for 15 minutes while we smoke.

I'm not gonna get into whether it's right or wrong because I'm sure you have a different opinion than I. I will state that when she gets older, we will have a very open and honest discussion about drug use and abuse. I'm hoping that once we have this discussion and share our nightmares that we endured, she won't want to use anything stronger than marijuana. Anything more than that will be up to her. All I can do is do the normal stuff like monitor grades, friends, where she's going, etc. She will have to make the decision on what road she takes.

Explaining responsible drug use with someone who has never done drugs is a hard thing to do. I have always believed that moderation is the key to any drug albeit LSD, ecstacy, marijuana, etc. I always stayed away from the hard drugs such as meth, heroin, and only did coke a handful of times. I knew that the type of person I was, the opportunity for addiction was there with the harder drugs especially meth. I've never even seen the stuff but knew back in the day that it would be my type of drug so I never looked for it.

What I call lesser drugs or the ones that don't pose a potential for physical addiction such as LSD can be a life altering event. I can tell you that a lot of my personal beliefs were formed while trippin. We weren't the normal kids just trippin to get high. We went on a journey where we debated about everything from space time continuum, black holes, to religion. It was more of a self discovery than just a drug. This is where someone who isn't properly educated about drugs would get confused. They would say well you used the drug to base your life on? No, the drug enhanced the ability to find myself as a person and what I believe in. It's hard to explain without actually experiencing it.

Of course others would say well you could have done that without them. Sure I could have but it wouldn't have been as much fun. The friends that I tripped with are now dentists, financial advisers, etc so the partying had no ill effect on completing their goals. I'm another story because my parents failed to instill any kind of beliefs as far as goals, college, etc. I had no path or direction to go. I was on a loooose leash and I took full advantage of it. Sure, I should have figured it out in high school but my parents should have been more involved than they were.

What I'm trying to say is that there are so many people in this world who have either partied so hard or even still party that hard and you would not have a clue. There are a ton of responsible drug users out there. I wasn't back when I was in high school but that was 10 years ago

I thought I would also throw in that I no longer do any of those drugs except marijuana. The last time for any of those "lesser" drugs was back in 2000. I have drank twice this year. Once at my high school reunion a couple months back and at my friends cabin earlier in the year which actually was the first night we have spent without our daughter and she was already 1 at the time so that tells you how little we went out. We're way past that partying stage. We had fun then too much fun. I was too busy with school and work to realize that the painkillers were becoming an important part of my life. I just never thought that the thing that would get me would be painkillers of all things. I guess that's why I stayed away from the harder stuff. Like I said earlier, I knew the harder stuff would be a problem but I was too busy to actually realize that painkillers were just as bad if abused as the harder drugs. I'll have to leave that up to one of life's lessons
 
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i hope you guys recover. i truely do. but if i knew you and knew you were putting the kid in her playpen to smoke, id call child services. blatant child endangerment, no two ways about it. extremely selfish, immature behavior. you dont realize how lucky you are. i really hope you and your wife dont fuck your kid up. grow up. everything about the behaviors you posted screams selfish. that shit ends when you have a child.
 
i hope you guys recover. i truely do. but if i knew you and knew you were putting the kid in her playpen to smoke, id call child services. blatant child endangerment, no two ways about it. extremely selfish, immature behavior. you dont realize how lucky you are. i really hope you and your wife dont fuck your kid up. grow up. everything about the behaviors you posted screams selfish. that shit ends when you have a child.

Really? So what is the purpose of a fucking playpen? To contain the child in a safe environment while adults are preoccupied. Is it just as bad to leave a kid in there while everyone is watching football and drinking a couple beers? I'm not sure what you think playpens were designed for but they do what they're intended to do.

If for one second you think that smoking pot endangers my child, you have a severely warped opinion on the matter. I am fully functional while high and many people can attest to this. I can go to the bank or any public place and no one would know. I choose not to drive though because I know it would impair advanced motor skills needed to process the amount of data one does while driving, even if they don't know it's actually happening.

Don't try to school me on what you think you know about my situation. You would have to call the police on half the country if you thought leaving their kid in a playpen is a crime. We have video monitoring so we can see everything that happens. Our three dogs are always around her for protection from potential burglars.

There is a system to this that you're obviously not getting because you're too busy presuming the worst from some twisted anger against drugs
 
Really? So what is the purpose of a fucking playpen? To contain the child in a safe environment while adults are preoccupied. Is it just as bad to leave a kid in there while everyone is watching football and drinking a couple beers? I'm not sure what you think playpens were designed for but they do what they're intended to do.

If for one second you think that smoking pot endangers my child, you have a severely warped opinion on the matter. I am fully functional while high and many people can attest to this. I can go to the bank or any public place and no one would know. I choose not to drive though because I know it would impair advanced motor skills needed to process the amount of data one does while driving, even if they don't know it's actually happening.

Don't try to school me on what you think you know about my situation. You would have to call the police on half the country if you thought leaving their kid in a playpen is a crime. We have video monitoring so we can see everything that happens. Our three dogs are always around her for protection from potential burglars.

There is a system to this that you're obviously not getting because you're too busy presuming the worst from some twisted anger against drugs

coming from someone, myself, with way too much experience with drugs, your kid comes first. everything else is a distant second. i have no anger against drugs. i find it very hard to believe you need to be high to hang with your kid. i smoked weed daily for years and did the work, school, meetings, etc high and have since given it up in preparation for having kids. spin this whatever way you want, you have a kid. you dont NEED drugs. you CHOOSE them. please, take care of your kid. i have friends who cant have children who would cut off a hand to have one. consider yourself lucky and start assuming some real responsibility. if you need to be high to do everything, something is wrong with you and self rehab aint gonna fix it. im not judging you, my concern is with your kid. a court of law wouldnt say you are fit parents, spin away as much as you want.
 
coming from someone, myself, with way too much experience with drugs, your kid comes first. everything else is a distant second. i have no anger against drugs. i find it very hard to believe you need to be high to hang with your kid. i smoked weed daily for years and did the work, school, meetings, etc high and have since given it up in preparation for having kids. spin this whatever way you want, you have a kid. you dont NEED drugs. you CHOOSE them. please, take care of your kid. i have friends who cant have children who would cut off a hand to have one. consider yourself lucky and start assuming some real responsibility. if you need to be high to do everything, something is wrong with you and self rehab aint gonna fix it. im not judging you, my concern is with your kid. a court of law wouldnt say you are fit parents, spin away as much as you want.

Ok since it seems that you haven't even read this thread otherwise most of those questions were answered. I'll reiterate this one part because I'm not gonna waste my time. The smoking weed multiple times a day has been for the past 3 days. The first day we stopped methadone, we only smoked once which is what we normally do. Just once. Just 15-20 minutes of alone time while our daughter playfully enjoys and even acts out the baby einstein movies so it's obvious she enjoys them.

We don't need to be high normally. Actually today, we haven't smoked at all. We started getting back to unpacking the house we just moved in to. See, you think that reading about how I'm smoking weed all day was the norm for us but it isn't. Marijuana is just hobby. Just like going to the bar for football and drinking. As I have already stated, there are responsible ways of using marijuana and many many people with much higher educations and salaries than both of us combined do the same thing. They go to work, raise their kids, and do all the normal things a typical family does.

Coming from someone that used to party, you must have not been able to handle it. You still consider marijuana this evil drug that confuses the mind and warps reality. I don't know why you think this if you used to party because if that's what was happening to you, you were smoking some shit that was sprayed.
 
Ok since it seems that you haven't even read this thread otherwise most of those questions were answered. I'll reiterate this one part because I'm not gonna waste my time. The smoking weed multiple times a day has been for the past 3 days. The first day we stopped methadone, we only smoked once which is what we normally do. Just once. Just 15-20 minutes of alone time while our daughter playfully enjoys and even acts out the baby einstein movies so it's obvious she enjoys them.

We don't need to be high normally. Actually today, we haven't smoked at all. We started getting back to unpacking the house we just moved in to. See, you think that reading about how I'm smoking weed all day was the norm for us but it isn't. Marijuana is just hobby. Just like going to the bar for football and drinking. As I have already stated, there are responsible ways of using marijuana and many many people with much higher educations and salaries than both of us combined do the same thing. They go to work, raise their kids, and do all the normal things a typical family does.

Coming from someone that used to party, you must have not been able to handle it. You still consider marijuana this evil drug that confuses the mind and warps reality. I don't know why you think this if you used to party because if that's what was happening to you, you were smoking some shit that was sprayed.

you sound ridiculous with "handling" drugs. no one gives a fuck about a junkie who can handle his drugs. it aint cool. its actually really lame to wear a badge of honor that you can handle your drugs. im not even going to try and make it like i care if you think i could or couldnt, im actually pretty embarrassed of my extensive use and try and hide it in real life. it aint cool. any loser can get drugs and get high. it takes no skill or brain power.

you are on a different wave length when it comes to this topic. i would sacrifice everything for my child, you wont. its not worth discussing. please, get better. i only want you and your wife to be clean and healthy for your kid. God forbid anything were to happen to your child. that would be terrible.
 
guys relax
throwing him under the bus because he smoked some weed during this tough time is teh gay
that's like going to a bbq and snatching a beer out of every guys hand that has children and yelling at them, telling them they are bad parents because they are drinking (smoking cheeb isn't ANY worse than alcohol)
 
guys relax
throwing him under the bus because he smoked some weed during this tough time is teh gay
that's like going to a bbq and snatching a beer out of every guys hand that has children and yelling at them, telling them they are bad parents because they are drinking (smoking cheeb isn't ANY worse than alcohol)

true. except that it is illegal (however ridiculous that may be). and if youre an addict trying to quit drugs, you should probably totally quit drugs.
 
true. except that it is illegal (however ridiculous that may be). and if youre an addict trying to quit drugs, you should probably totally quit drugs.


agree and kinda disagree

I was at a family(wives) BBQ yesterday (no wtfbbq)
so anyhow, most guys were cocked.average of 2 children per couple
and about 9-10 probably drove home, not the wives
this is the norm around the country
 
agree and kinda disagree

I was at a family(wives) BBQ yesterday (no wtfbbq)
so anyhow, most guys were cocked.average of 2 children per couple
and about 9-10 probably drove home, not the wives
this is the norm around the country

thats fucked up. doesnt happen in my family
 
I'm done with all the arguing because it's simply a waste of our time and none of us will change our opinions on the matter.I should have known bringing up something like this would eventually go the way of every other thread does at this place. I should have learned years ago to keep personal shit off of this site.

I couldn't care less how people judge me in real life so I'm definitely not concerned about it on an internet message board.

Once it's decriminalized, which could possibly be soon depending on how people vote in Cali this November, this will be a moot point. Once marijuana becomes taxable just like a stamp, I'm sure people will still bitch about it but it doesn't bother me.

So this is just the final nail in the coffin for this fucking place
 
agree and kinda disagree

I was at a family(wives) BBQ yesterday (no wtfbbq)
so anyhow, most guys were cocked.average of 2 children per couple
and about 9-10 probably drove home, not the wives
this is the norm around the country

yeah but since when is "the norm" what is acceptable? Shit like this would never and will never happen in my family on my watch.
 
Yeah right
the norm in america is not to go to BBQs, drink 5 or more beers and drive :faint:

happens everyday
blacks
whites
fat people
skinny
yellow
asians

alcohol is socially accepted
weed is not

two biggest funders to "the war on drugs"
1.alcohol companies
2.Tobacco

Ironic
 
most addicts can't moderately do drugs, any drugs. Alcohol being the biggest nono if you calling other substances "drugs" and alcohol another catagory. (which you shouldn't)
If you tying to get clean, stop all illegal substances.
 
guys relax
throwing him under the bus because he smoked some weed during this tough time is teh gay
that's like going to a bbq and snatching a beer out of every guys hand that has children and yelling at them, telling them they are bad parents because they are drinking (smoking cheeb isn't ANY worse than alcohol)

not throwing anyone under the bus. caring for a child and doing drugs is not what i would consider the right thing to do. my opinion. doesnt really matter. put the kid to sleep for the night, worst case scenario. just keep the kid the safe, thats all i really, truely care about.

also, alcohol is currently legal.
 
communicate to people you feel like hell and why

you will actually get a a laugh out of it, and it will bring you closer to getting better

in other words be honest with you, to GOD, and to others while you go through hell........
 
I'm done with all the arguing because it's simply a waste of our time and none of us will change our opinions on the matter.I should have known bringing up something like this would eventually go the way of every other thread does at this place. I should have learned years ago to keep personal shit off of this site.

I couldn't care less how people judge me in real life so I'm definitely not concerned about it on an internet message board.

Once it's decriminalized, which could possibly be soon depending on how people vote in Cali this November, this will be a moot point. Once marijuana becomes taxable just like a stamp, I'm sure people will still bitch about it but it doesn't bother me.

So this is just the final nail in the coffin for this fucking place

It sounds like you just don't care.
Bro, you got a lot of good advice from people who have been there and do care and will happily help someone who needs it.
Nobody can tell you what to do. If you stay away from doping you'll be more open to take the help. You probably know that.
 
"Like I've been saying, I really don't think I'm at the level of most addicts."
most addicts can't moderately do drugs, any drugs. Alcohol being the biggest nono if you calling other substances "drugs" and alcohol another catagory. (which you shouldn't)
If you tying to get clean, stop all illegal substances.

That thought is what keeps most addicts in their addiction.
Listen to the good advice you got here.
Go to meetings, believe in a higher power and clean house.
It's a simple program with amzing results.
 
"Like I've been saying, I really don't think I'm at the level of most addicts."


That thought is what keeps most addicts in their addiction.
Listen to the good advice you got here.
Go to meetings, believe in a higher power and clean house.
It's a simple program with amzing results.

^^^^ I meant the top one, not what Txbondsman said.
 
"Like I've been saying, I really don't think I'm at the level of most addicts."

That thought is what keeps most addicts in their addiction.
Listen to the good advice you got here.
Go to meetings, believe in a higher power and clean house.
It's a simple program with amzing results.

yep, that statement is one of utter denial and will lead quickly to the death spiral. Your somehow different, that's the wise thinking of almost all adicts, before they realize that it's complete BS. Sorry for the shit your gonna have to go through, it's hell, but if you live through it, maybe you won't be so "special", and that will get you to the mindset that can lead to sobriety.

good luck to you...
 
this is to the gentleman/lady that left me a great PM. You haven't posted here yet but I have the "feelings disease" also. I was randomly flipping through my big book today and this came up, I thought of you. It's CH 12, page 544, first paragraph, in the 3rd edition...

The mental twists that led up to my drinking began many years before I ever took my first drink for I am one of those whose history proves conclusively that my drinking was "a symptom of a deeper trouble."
Through my efforts to get down to "causes and conditions" I stand convinced that my emotional illness has been present from my earliest recollection. I never did react normally to any emotional situation.

sounds all to familiar to me....
 
this is to the gentleman/lady that left me a great PM. You haven't posted here yet but I have the "feelings disease" also. I was randomly flipping through my big book today and this came up, I thought of you. It's CH 12, page 544, first paragraph, in the 3rd edition...

The mental twists that led up to my drinking began many years before I ever took my first drink for I am one of those whose history proves conclusively that my drinking was "a symptom of a deeper trouble."
Through my efforts to get down to "causes and conditions" I stand convinced that my emotional illness has been present from my earliest recollection. I never did react normally to any emotional situation.

sounds all to familiar to me....

So true.
 
this is to the gentleman/lady that left me a great PM. You haven't posted here yet but I have the "feelings disease" also. I was randomly flipping through my big book today and this came up, I thought of you. It's CH 12, page 544, first paragraph, in the 3rd edition...

The mental twists that led up to my drinking began many years before I ever took my first drink for I am one of those whose history proves conclusively that my drinking was "a symptom of a deeper trouble."
Through my efforts to get down to "causes and conditions" I stand convinced that my emotional illness has been present from my earliest recollection. I never did react normally to any emotional situation.

sounds all to familiar to me....


I can relate bro I won't get deep but two addicts trying to recover together is tough i pray you find recovery not just abstinence. Because abstinence does not equal recovery.
 
I can relate bro I won't get deep but two addicts trying to recover together is tough i pray you find recovery not just abstinence. Because abstinence does not equal recovery.

^^^ yes, very true. It's the peace of mind and serinity that makes everything worth while, and in that you find happiness.
thanks MD for that....
 
I feel like sucking the devils dick tonight

then play the video w/ you jonesing for the last crumb, checking the couch for some that you may have dropped for the 19th time, smoking some pizza or fried chicken crumbs thinking "maybe", crawling on your hands and knees looking in the carpet for hours because you just KNOW that at some point you MUST have dropped a morsel, hitting the pipe again and again and again just to burn your lips to the point that they are blistered, the anxiety, the depression. Think of that part, if you decide to use again, I'm sorry that your not through.
 
then play the video w/ you jonesing for the last crumb, checking the couch for some that you may have dropped for the 19th time, smoking some pizza or fried chicken crumbs thinking "maybe", crawling on your hands and knees looking in the carpet for hours because you just KNOW that at some point you MUST have dropped a morsel, hitting the pipe again and again and again just to burn your lips to the point that they are blistered, the anxiety, the depression. Think of that part, if you decide to use again, I'm sorry that your not through.


holy crap man
did you ever have a hidden camera in my house?

My buddy use to call me "rugrat"
 
then play the video w/ you jonesing for the last crumb, checking the couch for some that you may have dropped for the 19th time, smoking some pizza or fried chicken crumbs thinking "maybe", crawling on your hands and knees looking in the carpet for hours because you just KNOW that at some point you MUST have dropped a morsel, hitting the pipe again and again and again just to burn your lips to the point that they are blistered, the anxiety, the depression. Think of that part, if you decide to use again, I'm sorry that your not through.

wow

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