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Dangerous S23 advice being passed around by Monstro...

dylangemelli

dylangemelli

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It has been coming to my attention that Monstro is recommending S23 to anyone and everyone...

S23 is essentially a steroid, known as a MALE CONTRACEPTIVE, meaning it will SHUT YOU DOWN EXTREMELY HARD.. he is advising this type of use to very young men, often times in their very early 20's.. this is beyond dangerous and will cause big harm to someone that young.. this is an extremely strong shut down that will occur and this needs to stop now! Beyond that, there is never any advice about using a FULL pct when using it.. This needs to stop now. .it is dangerous, careless and wreckless... it is termed MALE CONTRACEPTIVE for a reason!

Anyone reading this, please DO NOT listen to that kind of advice being given... I have seen it go on too long now... It needs to stop!

S23 yields tremendous results and is something that many do use however it is NOT for people this young and should only be used by very experienced users... He is also recommending it to newer users.. This carelessness needs to stop and i will not stop calling it out
 
He has done nothing but give out dangerous and conflicting information for a very long period of time. I have tried to always be polite and respectful but this certainly needs to be stopped and I, for one, am very thankful you put this post up. There needs to be more awareness of this!
 
dylangemelli said:
It has been coming to my attention that Monstro is recommending S23 to anyone and everyone...

S23 is essentially a steroid, known as a MALE CONTRACEPTIVE, meaning it will SHUT YOU DOWN EXTREMELY HARD.. he is advising this type of use to very young men, often times in their very early 20's.. this is beyond dangerous and will cause big harm to someone that young.. this is an extremely strong shut down that will occur and this needs to stop now! Beyond that, there is never any advice about using a FULL pct when using it.. This needs to stop now. .it is dangerous, careless and wreckless... it is termed MALE CONTRACEPTIVE for a reason!

Anyone reading this, please DO NOT listen to that kind of advice being given... I have seen it go on too long now... It needs to stop!

S23 yields tremendous results and is something that many do use however it is NOT for people this young and should only be used by very experienced users... He is also recommending it to newer users.. This carelessness needs to stop and i will not stop calling it out
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@dylangemelli everyone does listen to @Monstro he's respected on EF thats probably why, real professional bodybuilder on here BIG man seems
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
@dylangemelli everyone does listen to @Monstro he's respected on EF thats probably why, real professional bodybuilder on here BIG man seems
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Well he's not that big. 250lbs on his best day but muscular and a WABBA pro... for sure.

But here's the thing - Stevemsi and I have done podcasts on dead pro bodybuilders (and many live ones) and their stacks. No one needs to do pro level stacks. Heck I have a local former IFBB pro nearby and he does half what Monstro's claimed and been on the Olympia stage. People need to learn to do what THEY NEED to do. Not what a pro does
 
In Portugal when a man challenges another man we stand next to each other and settle things man on man. Why the hate Dylan? I reached out to you already via PM's and you keep ignoring me.
 
I don't agree with you on this Dylan. This is cancel culture. reminds me of when they cancelled Kaepernick for having a different viewpoint
 
is S23 really a male contraceptive though? i thought it was studied as one but they never showed it really was. someone answer that
 
Dylan you should call it out for sure. that is freedom of speech!
 
As mobster has admitted I am the real pro of this forum and i should be respected.

in portugal when a man respects you they don't call you out like cowards, they step to you like a man
 
I will settle the argument in 5 seconds like this
if you are under 21 don't use s23, if you are over 21 then you are legally an adult and should use it
 
I agree with Dylan more. you should not give out advice that is dangerous or abusive.
 
please show me a study that shows S23 is dangerous
all i said was that it was a powerful sarm

here are 2 studies.
neither shows that with humans it causes long term shut down any more than any other sarm or steroid

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Design, Synthesis, and Biological Characterization of Metabolically Stable Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators

A series of nonsteroidal ligands were synthesized as second-generation agonists for the androgen receptor (AR). These ligands were designed to eliminate metabolic sites identified in one of our first-generation AR agonists, which was inactive in vivo ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Preclinical Characterization of a (S)-N-(4-Cyano-3-Trifluoromethyl-Phenyl)-3-(3-Fluoro, 4-Chlorophenoxy)-2-Hydroxy-2-Methyl-Propanamide: A Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator for Hormonal Male Contraception

The pharmacologic effects of (S)-N-(4-cyano-3-trifluoromethyl-phenyl)-3-(3-fluoro, 4-chlorophenoxy)-2-hydroxy-2-methyl-propanamide (S-23) were characterized in male rats as an animal model of hormonal male contraception. S-23 showed high binding affinity ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
i think dylan needs to chill
he likes to cancel people too much but then turns around and calls other people woke or whatever. when he himself is the real woke person trying to cancel people. let monstro do his thing.
 
nobody should tell another man what he can't or can't do with his body
if you are old enough to pick up a gun and go to war then you should be able to use sarms or steroids i mean cmon
 
História do MONSTRO
Eu Marco César Aguiar Luís nasci a 7 de Maio de 1977 na Ilha Terceira, uma pequena ilha de Portugal. Nasci com problemas físicos que me impossibilitaram de fazer desporto and aos 20 anos , momento em que iniciei no Judo mas logo vi que minha paixão era músculo e com ajuda do meu pai fizemos pesos de cimento e comecei a treinar em casa e foi em casa que sempre treinei comprando aos poucos pesos e máquinas tendo hoje ao fim de 26 anos um ginásio com o mínimo indispensável. Ao seja nunca treinei em ginásios comerciais . Fui natural até aos 32 anos pois mesmo nem sabia o que era química e só aos 40 anos , em 2018 fui competir pela primeira vez e ganhando . Mas antes de competir fiz uns vídeos a treinar e coloquei no meu YouTube e devido a minha condição, qualidade de pele e vascularização fui reconhecido pelos produtores de vídeos de motivação americanos como MAKAVELLI, ALWAYS MASSIVE, MIND PUMP MOTIVATION, e muitos outros . Através destes vídeos recebi propostas de patrocínios mesmo sem nunca subir ao palco . algo que revoltou os atletas de Portugal pois fui o primeiro português a ser patrocinado por uma marca Americana chegando a ser a imagem da marca após saída do Flex Wheeler. Em 2015 conquistei muitos sonhos :
💢Abri loja de suplementos: MUSCLESHOP
💢Patrocínio de marca roupa alemã LEGAL POWER onde tive um cartaz enorme na FIBO 2015 com minha foto saindo tb no catálogo deles
💢Patrocínio MEX NUTRITION como atleta da marca junto com Flex Wheeler. Estar no mesmo stand a dar autógrafos e tirar fotos lado a lado com meu ídolo . MAIOR SONHO DA MINHA VIDA
💢Aparecer em inúmeros vídeos de motivação americanos
Isto tudo sem nunca competir pois apenas subi aí palco em 2018 já com 40 anos e mesmo assim ganhando 🏆
Hoje vivo deste desporto graças a patrocínios e ser treinador online .

Como podem ver tudo na vida é possível mesmo que pareça impossível .
De incapacitado a vencedor .
De Marco Luís a MONSTRO.
 
SMFH... you guys are just beyond reproach... cancelling people... LOL.. its about common sense and actual care.. you know what, i certainly dont need this shit and dont want to be associated with it... i am building a big name and career and dont want to be associated with this kind of reckless shit and lack of care... so good luck to everyone! i dont need it nor want it...
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
@dylangemelli everyone does listen to @Monstro he's respected on EF thats probably why, real professional bodybuilder on here BIG man seems
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SMFH and LOL... im building myself a huge brand and career and its not by hurting others or putting people in harms way... so whatever man, i dont need this type of shit nor want to associate with it or be around it... i bring a ton of traffic here but im not going to be around nonsense either
 
The funny thing in all this is the fact that most of you commenting have had no coaching on anyone using it, have not used it themselves (aside from steve) and have never spoken with highly reputable people that use it hardcore... i have been all over this since its inception and know everything that you can know about it and have eye witnessed countless blood panels on it... "studies" even deem it a male contraceptive... you guys are so ridiculous.. this isnt about censorship, cancelling anything or whatever else i have read, which comes from nothing but a pure lack of brain cells making these types of comments... how many people do we have to see get destroyed, suddenly die, or reck their lives from using steroids and ped's too young as well as abusing them? how many??? smfh.. the lack of care and then making STUPID ass excuses or comments is seriously deplorable... its just disgusting to say the least and you bet your ass im calling it out.. i never said to cancel anything, i said DONT LISTEN TO THIS NONSENSE and ill continue to call it out or else ill just bounce because being around that type of shit does nothing but hurt credibility
 
Vadim Fedorov said:
I don't agree with you on this Dylan. This is cancel culture. reminds me of when they cancelled Kaepernick for having a different viewpoint
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i never took you to be one that absurd at all but for you to compare this to kaepernick is one of the most ridiculous and flat ass ignorant things ive ever read and thats saying something... smfh... seriously...
 
I have a huge level of respect for dylan so I'm not going to comment on much besides speaking for myself here.

Dylan has spoken to me countless times for hours at a time over the years and he has taught me alot.

My whole approach and mindset of low dosage for everything i use was me learning and soaking in the free knowledge he would kindly drop on me.

I dont want to take sides ot anything, i feel its important to understand dylan is passionate about people and keeping them healthy, safe and educated I see nothing but positive things doing that for people so they can use compounds safely and know what to do and not to do.

Dylan is an excellent teacher and did it for free with me in many conversations over the years he is a great man and person is all I will say about that.

What i do and what a pro might do or run is drastically different so we must keep that in mind when we help people with cycle questions.

I have no beef or issues with anyone and I enjoy working with everyone every day so don't take anything I said as shots because I am not taking shots or talking badly on any man. I just feel we need to come correctly and think about the impact we have on people and this community it is so important we do this right for us and for everyone.


I would hope everyone commenting and try to help me on my journey would give me ethical advice that would minimize side effects and give me recommendations based on keeping my health at the forefront and not expose me to ridiculous dosage protocols and compounds that aren't for me or my experience level.

I would hope that our community as a whole would care about people enough to give them safe logical advice and plans with the questions I or they might ask.

A man can do what they want speaking wise or action wise, it is not my place to say what they can or can't do, I will offer safe advice on things I know and not give advice on things I don't know, what that person does with the help is up to them.

I feel we have as people and a community a moral and ethical obligation to give safe and sound advice and make sure we educate others correctly.

I personally could not sleep at night or be ok If I gave someone hurtful reckless advice, it isn't who I am or what I stand for in my own personal beliefs.

I love this place all my logs are on this place , I love the community and the people I get to speak with daily who are on the same journey as I am, it is motivation and inspiration for me and many others. I think we need to keep all these things in mind when we post and help.

Just my opinions I hope you all
Stay positive and rock & roll ✨️ 🙏 💪
 
I know it’s suppressive and should be treated as a steroid. Younger kids should not use it. I understand Monstro is a pro BUT the number of people that actually at pros is a very small number and we need to realize we aren’t giving assistance to pros on these forums most all of us are just gym rats. Normal people with normal lives trying to obtain a nice physique and we need to helps these people do it the safest way possible.
 
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