Cutting Cycle for Physique Competition

[New Dude]

Hello all...

I am requesting some feedback on how to best allocate the aas I have for an upcoming show.

I have test ethanate, anavar, Tbol, and some arimidex. And of course PCT is ready. I dont have time to order any additional gear as the show is 14 weeks away.

My only experience was an anavar only cycle that I did which while I didn't gain any weight, I did gain some stregth and got much leaner and harder and more vascular. I initially thought to do another anavar cycle but I don't think it will be enough. My goal would be to maintain weight around 180 while cutting bodyfat down to sub 5%. Is this possible? Would appreciate some feedback! Thanks!

MY STATS:

5'10' tall 182 pounds and about 8% BF.
bench 300 1 RM
squat 3151RM
Diet is solid-- 6/7 meals per day about 3000 calories
I'm also 45 years old

BYW, I train 5 days per week and presently don't do cardio although I will include it as it gets closer to show.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hell, I had 6 weeks to prepare for my show and you;re saying 14 weeks isn;t enough time?

I don't believe in "cutting" cycles. Just avoid anything that is bloating the last week. Other than that, it's about diet.

 

[Jbranken]

Test E 250mg 1-12
Tbol 60mg 1-4
Var 80mg 6-12

Have a pct lined up?

 

[New Dude]

14 weeks is plenty of time... However, my question is in regards to implementing a cycle that would work best with a diet that is in slight caloric deficit with the gear I already have. Obviously, losing fat and getting leaner while holding onto muscle is what one would hope to achieve with a proper diet.
My initial thoughts would be on the final 12 weeks.

Weeks 1-10 Test E 375 mg (two injections per week)
Weeks 6-9 Tbol 50 mg per day
Weeks 9-12 Anavar 80/100 mg per day
Maybe include the arimidex .25 eod somewhere after week 4 up to PCT depending upon bloat etc...

Nolva for Pct

proper diet throughout I would begin cutting be reducing calories about 5/6weeks out.

The goal would be to get below 5 percent bf and weigh what I do now on stage.

Thoughts... Anyone??

 

[New Dude]

Thanks Jbranken,

Really close to what I was thinking! Tbol better upfront? Is that because it will get the test working faster? I was debating on where to include it or if I should leave it out.... Same with arimidex, which scares me a little as I don't know anyone personally who has used it--only Internet info. However, some i see include it in every cycle.

 

[ultimate100]

Keto or CKD will get you ripped in a month or so (depends on your BF%) with a caloric Deficit of course.

 

[Jbranken]

Thanks Jbranken,

Really close to what I was thinking! Tbol better upfront? Is that because it will get the test working faster? I was debating on where to include it or if I should leave it out.... Same with arimidex, which scares me a little as I don't know anyone personally who has used it--only Internet info. However, some i see include it in every cycle.

Tbol is a great drug and nearly side free other than maybe some back pumps. It produces very dry and keepable gains. I put it up front only because var is such an awesome finisher. Try adex at .25mg or .5mg e3d and if you feel it's not keeping test bloat down, try taking it eod. Never cycle without an a.i. and throw some hcg in on the last 2 weeks as well

And bro, add more to pct for better recovery. Some DAA, forma stanzol and a few test boosters along with your SERM will work nicely

 

[NegroPops]

I'd get another DHT compound in there.. Masteron for sure. Think Winstrol would be better than anavar for competition. You could even run both of them at the same time.

 

[New Dude]

Makes sense and thank you. Advice is very much appreciated!

 

[dylangemelli]

For a contest prep, I would absolutely be running primo... If you can't afford it then this is what I would recommend for you....

1-12 test e 350 mg week
1-12 mast e 600 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod AGguys.com
1-6 winstrol 50 mg day
1-6 n2guard ntbm.com
7-10 hcgenerate ES ntbm.com
11-14 hcgenerate ntbm.com
11-14 halo 20-30 mg day
11-14 n2guard

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25 AGguys.com
unleahsed/post cycle combo ntbm.com
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
Keto burn MRSUPPS.COM
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com

phytoserms and hcgenerate can be used in place of the unleashed/post cycle combo if they are out of stock



If you don't want to run halo, then kickstart with anavar at 60-80 mg day and finish with winstrol at 50 mg day...

 

[New Dude]

Some say start ai at outset of test cycle, others a few weeks in and others say only if needed. I understand about the reduction of estrogen and its benefits such as reduced bloating, no gyno, etc... But doesn't ai also eliminate some if the benefits of test as well by lowering estrogen too much? I guess it's trial and error with each person and that's how you get to know your own body and how it will react... Am I correct??

 

[Jbranken]

Some say start ai at outset of test cycle, others a few weeks in and others say only if needed. I understand about the reduction of estrogen and its benefits such as reduced bloating, no gyno, etc... But doesn't ai also eliminate some if the benefits of test as well by lowering estrogen too much? I guess it's trial and error with each person and that's how you get to know your own body and how it will react... Am I correct??

Correct. Controlling estrogen is the main goal, not eliminating it.

 

[NegroPops]

Test E can cause a little bit more bloat from water than Test Prop. As long as you keep your estrogen in check, then it should not be that big of a deal. I would recommend upping your AI dose the last few weeks before contest to get all of that water out. It may suck for a week or so.. but it won't be the end of the world. I would really add in masteron and winstrol to your cycle.. those two compounds will make your physique dry and hard like nothing else. The DHT compounds are huuuuuge when it comes to contests. Anavar is good for the end of a cycle.. but I just don't think it will give you the same look masteron and winny will. I'd go like this..

1-12 Test E 250 mg/week
1-12 Mast E 600 mg/week
1-6 T-Bol 60 mg/day
8-12 Winstrol 80 mg/day

1-12 Arimidex .5 mg/eod, bump the dose to 1g ed the last 2 weeks.

 

[New Dude]

Ok... Just an update. I'm 12 days into Tbol at 60mg per day and have pinned 3 times. Almost passed out the first time as I am scared of needles....lol. 150ml per shot with test e 2x per week. Tbol is excellent so far! No sides... About 6-7 pounds of gain and no water. My strength and endurance have both increased. Personal bests in most lifts already. Going to run the Tbol for 4 weeks total and finish with anavar on the back end.

Still holding off on the ai (armidex) for now. I originally planned on taking it by now, and I will add it later once the test kicks in to combat estro spike. All in all, so far so good. Thanks for your help and I'll report back if that's ok as things progress.

 

[rustilldown]

Awesome update bro keep it up. I recognize everyone is telling you to add this and that but your original post states you can't get more and want to utilize what you have . That being said I think you will do well with finishing with anavar at 80 on the tail end of the cycle. Dht is great though for that very hard look. Even proviron or winny would be nice if you COULD get it, but If not you should still do well.

 

[RickRock13]

Very nice for only 12 days in!

 

[New Dude]

Thanks! I feel my diet and training have been solid for awhile and being in my 40's, the aas are making a big difference. I think I may have to be careful not to overtrain as I find myself wanting to add a few more sets! Show is still over 11 weeks out and I don't want to over do it. Will post back progress. Everyone's help here has been appreciated!

 

[Captain FT]

I was reading through some Lewellin material I have from 2009 and there was an interesting lean cutting cycle I saw its only 8 weeks and test free. I'll have to update the doses later but I believe it was Winstrol, Proviron, and Tren.

Might be worth trying if you do a comp again or just look to lean out. I can get the doses when I get home.

 

[New Dude]

Ok... Here's another update: 3 1/2 weeks in on Tbol at 60 mg. weight gain is still holding steady at 7-8 pounds. Nipples got sensitive ( from 300 mg test I would guess) so I started armidex .5 eod. It leaned me out in 3 days by removing some water and nips better. Considering backing off to .25 eod. Still not feeling the test yet...but looking very lean. Diet remains in check.

Here is a question: there are ten weeks left until the competition. I was planning on adding the anavar during the last 6. My question is on the test dose.... Should I up it to 400 mg for the last ten weeks. Or, keep it at 300mg? Keep in mind I will start cutting about 4/5 weeks out if I stay this lean (about 8/9 percent ). So, with ten weeks out, will the extra 100mg per week help me add a bit more muscle? Or, am I just second guessing myself because the test really hasn't kicked in yet? Reminder that this is my first cycle and also my first competition. Thanks in advance!

 

[New Dude]

Bump

 

[Alphacore200]

Normally I cut the test 2 wks out and cut all injectables 1 wk out then up the Ai and what ever orals I am taking

Test makes u hold water because of its conversion to estrogen. So to answer ur question no do not up ur dose of test.

 

[New Dude]

I was thinking of upping test for the next 8 weeks and cutting it out the last two prior to show. Increasing the anavar to 90 mg from 80 for the last week and upping the ai as well for last 7 days. Since I have never gone through a complete cutting cycle, this is all new to me! Some say run the test up until show and up the ai and that will be enough with proper diet and water manipulation. Thanks for responding as its given me something to think about... Anyone else???

 

[bigbassturd]

Drop your test 10 days out, maintain the var at 80 and continue your AI.

Also, no reason to up the test dose. When you feel it, you'll know. Takes up to 5 weeks to really get up to peak levels with a long ester like Enanthate.

I may have missed it, as I merely scanned the responses, but do you have anything to protect your liver? Both Tbol and Var are methylated and can cause some serious damage. Some say var is a mild oral, but bro 17aa is 17aa and 80mg's a day is a stout dose.

Finally, don't come in at less than 6% or so for a physique class comp. Judges aren't looking for that dry, super vascular, striated monster in that class. They want proportional mass, symmetry, and an overall athletic look. You'll see guys more worried about their hair and teeth than their pump before you take the stage. Just some food for thought.

 

[New Dude]

Thanks for the help. Yes, have Liv52 and milk thistle for support. You made me laugh--but your correct on the physique competition. Maybe the hair and teeth are a bit of a stretch, but I get it what your saying. I'll drop the test ten days out, and maintain the var dose to contest day. I might up the ai in the final week if I have any bloat left.... Overall great advice though. I was thinking 5-6 percent would be about right. I just want to be ripped enough to be able to show all the detail in the abs. I'll post again when the test kicks in and probably have more Q's then!