Cutler and Ruhl are disqualified from Mr O

[The_HULK_Jr]

Heres the story :-

It has now been confirmed that Jay Cutler, 2001 Mr. Olympia runner-up, and Markus Ruhl, 14th at the O, have been informed by the IFBB that their urine samples tested positive for banned diuretics. IFBB rules state that individuals whose samples test positive as a result of the contest's mandatory diuretic test will lose their placing and prize money and that all those athletes finishing below them will subsequently move up in prize money and placings. Thus, as a result of this ruling, Cutler would forfeit his second place spot, his $60,000 paycheck and qualification for the 2002 Mr. Olympia, and Melvin Anthony (originally placed 11th at the O) would move up to 10th and be awarded $10,000 in prize money (he originally received zilch), and, of course, gain qualification for the 2002 Mr. Olympia. However, we understand that Cutler is at this time seeking legal guidance in an effort to have the drug test result overturned. - Flex Online



Hulk Jr

 

[casavant]

politics, politics

 

[gmack]

if thats true,that sucks to single out 2 guys when we all know they all use diuretics.....maybe politics? G

 

[BigAndy69]

Wow. He busts his ass for months and they are going to take away his $60000. I think it's a second time for Ruhl...something is up.

 

[CJWolford]

So they care about hte amount of dieuretics he takes, but not the amount of synthol he pumped into himself?

 

[hockey1]

BULLSHIT

They can shoot whatever they want into their muscles but use a diuretic and they will strip you and take your money.What bullshit,if you care then care all the way if you let it go,let it all go

 

[mikelong23]

great example of weider being nice to jay after he went to another company by letting him come in 2nd place. wait did i say he left weider, no wonder he got his prize taken back, nicely played by weider

 

[NubianBeauty]

That decision is absolutely preposterous!! They test them for diruetics which ARE legal and not steroids. Makes no fu@#in& sense!!!!

 

[BrickGirl]

Ouch

 

[rocketrman]

today's BB SUCKS !

man that sucks ! ban diuretics ! WTF " ah yea, all other drugs are ok to take .... but, if we find diuretics ..... " bullshit, i say. GD Hippocrates !

theses same sponsors endorse these competitors for their products. prying on the new guys to the iron game, trying to make them believe, " oh ya down your creatin, protein etc you can look like the pros." remember that cybergenics bullshit. if it wasn't for the fact that i was living at a border town at the time hell i might have bought into that, lol.

where are these sponsors in defense of the cutler & the other dude ? why on the one hand do their mags dis the use of steroids & it's ancillary drugs then go & sign up the freaky looking ( don't get me wrong freaky can be kool ) BBers ( who we all know got this way because of ... ) to sell these almost bogus products ? the answer is if they were or appeared to be pro steroid a lot of influenceable folks would not spend their hard earned dollars on their shit. i mean come'on, $65 for pro-hormones ? shit, i'd buy a bottle of cyp or make some fina for that price !

btw, 2 thumbs up for T-Mag ! IMO

 

[natass]

If you think about it

The ifbb knows gear isn't as bad as the medical/law fields claim it is. If they were to start testing and DQing guys for steroid use their goes the IFBB. No one has died from steroid use but there has been deaths from dieuretic usage so that is why it is banned. Guys can still get ripped without the use of diueretics, I won a contest years ago without even knowing what dieuretics were, i was shredded to bits. The point is there can still be freaks in the IFBB without diuretics which the freaks is what most of the people want to see, thus the making of $$$$ for the IFBB. The IFBB can't have freaks dying on them making a bad name for the IFBB so they test them for it and DQ them if found positive. It makes the IFBB look like they are trying to prevent any harm to its money makers.

Personally I think they should be able to take whatever they want to get as freaky as they want and if they die that is on them. It is their friggin choice to use whatever it takes. Hell, it aint hurtin me none if one of em crokes.

Jay and Marcus just need to know when to stop using whatever they used so it isn't in their system come test time.

 

[MaxBiceps]

FUCK THAT!!!!

Just cause they used a diuretic that was detectable and everyone else used one that wasn't he gets kicked off??!!
FUCK those assholes!!!

 

[Diesil]

I'm with max on this one weider screwed cutler.

 

[Buld0g]

WAIT A MINUTE ... I'm almost positive that there is NO drug testing what so ever in pro BB. You guys are trying to tell me that they test Ronnie Coleman for steroids. They only test in NATURAL BB shows. BULL SHIT! ... There must have been more to the story then that.

THEY DO NOT TEST FOR DRUGS ON THE PRO LEVEL ... How dumb do you guys think these judges are.NO

 

[Gullie]

WAIT A MINUTE ... I'm almost positive that there is NO drug testing what so ever in pro BB. You guys are trying to tell me that they test Ronnie Coleman for steroids. They only test in NATURAL BB shows. BULL SHIT! ... There must have been more to the story then that.

THEY DO NOT TEST FOR DRUGS ON THE PRO LEVEL ... How dumb do you guys think these judges are.NO

They do test for Diuretics! And I agree with Natass.

 

[Riker29]

Its simple really.

Yes everyone sort of "knows" that the pros use AS's. It’s sort of understood. This has gone on for a long time, although the pros in most circles never (at least they used to not do this) admit this.

And for a long time, no one actually DIED while having his physique at a contest or competition-ready state.

Then there were some deaths in the past few years.

Not just deaths like "after the fact" (meaning BBers who may have competed years ago, and who may have died years later) but there were now deaths of people like RIGHT when they were ready to compete! (Didn’t some guy actually drop and die on stage a while back?).

Now this was a MAJOR PR nightmare. Imagine the mags, Weider, all of the companies, trying to promote these guys as the "pinnacle" of absolute fitness (and YOU can be that way too buy buying super-ultra-mega-ripped-mass-fuel-weight-gain-shredder-4000) and having some of them DIE either AT or very NEAR a contest!

The potential for a major PR nightmare was enormous. Could it be that the "secret" (yeah, right, secret ... sure .......) of the steroids use, abuse, and dangers would finally come out? (I am speaking figuratively as the voice of the opublic in that stamement.)

Well, the autopsy’s may have had various findings but when it came right down to it, despite what else may have been swimming in these guys' systems, it was the effect (in some manner) of the diuretics that killed them (or at least it was A if not THE major factor in their deaths).

Ah, masterfully, here is what Weider and the powers that be now did.

Se, if they banned STEROIDS, that would be a major major shift, some would say an end, to Pro BBng as it had been known. It would also totally BLOW the cover off of the sales and marking strategies of the Weiders and others, who claim that simply using their products and following those ridiculous training programs in their stupid mags will turn you into the next Ronnie Coleman.

But, with the autopsy results they had, and with the fact that really it was the Diuretics that did kill those guys (although whether or not that is the sole factor, is certainly debatable) they were able to instead point at JUST the Diuretics!

See? Now they can (still) say,

"Diuretics are bad. Our guys are pros and they train hard, use our products, and use the training techniques found only in our magazines! There were SOME guys that used those nasty Diuretics and they died! That’s not healthy! So, we banned that! We even test for that! See, we DO run an ethical sport!"

Meanwhile, they were able to totally side-step the steroid issue completely in PR terms.

Very well strategized, planned, and executed. They were able to spin this in a way that not only took care of any potential PR problems, but Pro BBng actually came out looking BETTER because of it.

So, now they still have their mass monsters.
They (powers that be in Pro BBng) still can say …

"we promote health - look at us - we banned this one type of drug proven to kill guys).
And you TOO can get AS BIG RIPPED AND FREAKY as the pros buy buying our magazines, and buying our powders and supplements."

So, we now have testing for Diuretics, but not for AS. And that probably the way it will stay.

 

[Buld0g]

Thanks Riker29
Well ... that clears up a lot of things for me then. But it's even hard to believe that these guys don't use diuretics. I mean these guys come to the shows so fuckin dry. I guess they know of other ways to dry out such as supplements, cardio, sunas, ect. Either that or they know of ways to clear there system of the duiretic drugs for testing.

 

[Alpine]

Cutler was robbed not only in the judging but now of his placement! What a joke!

 

[Amp]

We all know they used the diuretics, sometimes they fuck up beating the drug test and that's what happened. It isn't enough to get huge, ripped, and learn how to hit all those poses but now you have to be an expert on beating the diuretic test and having the correct timing. How much more of a scientific sport can this become. It's not even about bodybuilding anymore it's about chemistry.

 

[mikelong23]

i thought i read somewhere that a few diruetics were allowed but that some of the more harmful were not, i may be wrong, maybe i was dreamin and thought up that one

 

[chrisoh]

Jay really got screwed this year

 

[natass]

The game of gettting it out in time

Dieuretics is a type of drug that when used properly it is out of your system quickly and doesn't show up on drug tests. The trick is quiting in time to have it out of your system. If I am correct, Lasix is sometimes used up til the day before or two days prior and it won't show up on tests. If I am wrong please correct me. I know it is a timing thing.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

That sucks because they were both looking great this year. Ruhl looked awesome in Louisiana in August and he was so cool and nice to everyone that I had decided I was going to pull for him.

Fuck the O now.

 

[NinjaX]

sad sad day for those two guys

 

[liftsiron]

No wonder that pro BB is becomming such a joke, Weider may have created pro bodybuilding, but the best thing for the sport is going to be when the old tube gobbler dies in a few weeks.

 

[Riker29]

A quick question:

Are Cutler and Ruhl "Weider" guys - or do they have other primary sponsors?

I didn't think Cutler was with Weider. I don;t know much about Ruhl.

If they are both NOT Wedier-boys, that would explain a lot.

After all, Weider could not have Cutler winning next year now - could he?

 

[karde]

The person who wins next year will be who weider says will win next year.

 

[the_Pikey]

Wow, this is convenient for Ronnie.


No competition for him next year.

 

[G-Force]

I'd say you're pretty close to the mark Riker good post Bro!

 

[BigAndy69]

I want to clear up a few things:

Ruhl has been disqualified before at another olympia contest for the same thing. He placed 12 at the time. Ruhl is not with weider.

Drug test are random. That means they only test a few guys. The fact that Ruhl was picked twice should rasie some eyebrows. Personnally I think Weider picks who he wants to fuck over.

The man who died from diuretics was Momo Benazzi(sp?). He came in first at the 93 Night of Champions and Dorian Yates came in second.

Every one hates Joe Weider, but the guy isn't all that bad. There are plenty of people behind the scenes that control this sport that we never see.

 

[liquidanny]

My question is...why didn't they get disqualified BEFORE the competition..I know it DOESN'T take that long for the piss test results.

 

[liquidanny]

Wow, this is convenient for Ronnie.


No competition for him next year.

He can compete...he just has to requalify by winning/placing high in another event.

 

[ajc]

THEY DO NOT TEST FOR DRUGS ON THE PRO LEVEL ... How dumb do you guys think these judges are.NO

WRONG!! They DO test for diuretics. Not because they give a rat's ass about anyone's health or whether the guy lives or dies the next day, but because guys tend to cramp up really bad and collapse on stage if they overdo the diuretics, which gives bodybuilding a "bad name" and that cuts into the bottom line when they get heat from the press or from the DEA or whoever. Remember, they want this shit to be mainstream like football and baseball (which we know will never happen).

The testing has nothing to do with sportsmanship, health, fairness to the other athletes or any of that other bullshit...It's always about the bottom line.

 

[ajc]

Weider is just the poster boy...he's like bodybuilding's queen of England, he has some say, but the real show is run by the judges (and by who pays them off).

Jay Cutler is Weider's baby...I doubt Joe would want to single him out.

And your answer to why didn't Ronnie get tested...

Did you guys see him? If he did use diuretics, they obviously didn't work. The guy was holding more water than the Hoover Dam...I still think Ronnie's the shit, but he looked like shit in October.

 

[haxedout]

Why the fuck does Ruhl get screwed over everywhere? This guy is fucking huge and gets shitty results.. He shoulda placed higher(just about every damn show he shoulda been higher). As for Cutler, i could care less , like someone said hes weider's bitch....

 

[ptRick2]

anyone with high blood pressure takes diuretics...enough said...this all smells

 

[marky]

What about perscribed drugs. Say a BB is perscribed Albuterol
for a bronchial condition, is he/she disqualified ??

 

[rugger]

I like Ruhl, but take a look at this http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/2001/pre/ruhl.htm
He looks like he's about to die any second.

Rugger

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

LOL... This shit is seriously Funnyweirdlamedumbgayfaggycutedorkydoofusishidioticandugly all at tha same time.

 

[lonewulf]

thats a bunch of shit. they should be allowed to use anything they want or nothing at all. thats racism of medication, diruretics are being discriminated against, we should start a riot. these guys are on so much shit eating 8 times a day is the least of their problems, giving theirselves their hourly injesctions and taking their orals on time is their biggest problem. but hell they dont get payed shit and put theirselves through hell, disqualifying them just dont seem right.

 

[Cornellius]

My question is...why didn't they get disqualified BEFORE the competition..I know it DOESN'T take that long for the piss test results.

Because it´s a good business for the old fucker to have all of them on stage......after the show he can screw the ones he wants.