Creatine abuse

[220]

[Severe nephrotic syndrome in a young man taking anabolic steroid and creatine long term]

[Article in Hungarian]

Revai T, Sapi Z, Benedek S, Kovacs A, Kaszas I, Viranyi M, Winkler G.

Szent Janos Korhaz, II. Belgyogyaszat, Nefrologia.

Anabolic steroids and creatine supplementation is one of the current abuse used by body builders. It is less known that this combination beside of many deleterious effects may also cause renal damage. Authors report a case of diffuse membranoproliferative glomerulonephritis type I in a 22-year-old man who had been taking continuously methandion in a large quantity and 200 grams of creatine daily, and was sent to the outpatient nephrologic unit with typical clinical signs of nephrosis syndrome. They also call attention to the role of the continuously consumed creatine in the renal failure.


This is some fucked up shit, 200g of creatine daily.

 

[small but working on it]

that guy must have had a hollow spot in his head to begin with. What a fucking idiot.

 

[220]

that guy must have had a hollow spot in his head to begin with. What a fucking idiot.

I just cant image how anyone could load that much creatine in them, 200 grams is how many cups?

 

[UA_Iron]

its a shame that legislature would create laws for these special cases of stupidity when 99% of the BB community is at least somewhat responsible with their creatine use.

 

[KR177]

that is crazy, 200g of creatine daily!?

 

[biteme]

Ah hell that's nothing. I take 550 gms a day of creatine and 60,000 mg. of test a week and I'm doing fine.

 

[PHit41]

That guy must have had the shits if he was using Celltech to get that 200mg!!

 

[donsj]

On thing here and it is important. Do not, I repeat, do not use creatine mixed with high carb juices like OJ or grape juice. The creatine will convert to creatinine which can damage kidneys. Mix with water only.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Creatine abuse..LMFAO

 

[quadkilla31]

What a stupid fuck. They will ban creatine now.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

..ok everyone (wipes tears)....i admit it....my name is POLFAJELFA and im a Protein Abuser....

 

[kahbab]

a few years ago i had the concentrated creatine from eas, i took to much of it by accident and almost had to go to the e.r it was a scary experience.

 

[quadkilla31]

If i take to much creatine it tears my stomach up and gives me the shits.

 

[massatronic]

On thing here and it is important. Do not, I repeat, do not use creatine mixed with high carb juices like OJ or grape juice. The creatine will convert to creatinine which can damage kidneys. Mix with water only.

Does that mean leave it out of post workout shakes that include glucose?

I thought your body absorbed it poorly in the absence of carbs?

 

[_Yossarian_]

lol @ 200 grams a day. Darwinism at it's finest. What a moron.....

 

[trenfan2]

On thing here and it is important. Do not, I repeat, do not use creatine mixed with high carb juices like OJ or grape juice. The creatine will convert to creatinine which can damage kidneys. Mix with water only.

Do you have some reaserch to back that up? please post.

 

[Judo Tom]

i doubt he does... seeing as almost every single creatine manufacturer suggests taking it with a high gi carb source

 

[EL GAUCHO]

Bump

 

[trenfan2]

i doubt he does... seeing as almost every single creatine manufacturer suggests taking it with a high gi carb source

my thoughts too.

 

[chordz]

I just cant image how anyone could load that much creatine in them, 200 grams is how many cups?

40 rounded teaspoons of creatine a day.

 

[TheRide]

[Severe nephrotic syndrome in a young man taking anabolic steroid and creatine long term]

[Article in Hungarian]

Revai T, Sapi Z, Benedek S, Kovacs A, Kaszas I, Viranyi M, Winkler G.

Szent Janos Korhaz, II. Belgyogyaszat, Nefrologia.

Anabolic steroids and creatine supplementation is one of the current abuse used by body builders. It is less known that this combination beside of many deleterious effects may also cause renal damage. Authors report a case of diffuse membranoproliferative glomerulonephritis type I in a 22-year-old man who had been taking continuously methandion in a large quantity and 200 grams of creatine daily, and was sent to the outpatient nephrologic unit with typical clinical signs of nephrosis syndrome. They also call attention to the role of the continuously consumed creatine in the renal failure.


This is some fucked up shit, 200g of creatine daily.

200g????? Are you sure that's not a typo... That is completely ridiculous!

 

[manny78]

200g of creatine daily ? wtf is wrong with people these days...

 

[220]

200g????? Are you sure that's not a typo... That is completely ridiculous!

I'm sure it's not a typo, because there are plenty of guys that take 20grams of creatine per day, it isnt that much of an ammount.

 

[BOOEY]

I hope that guy dies.

 

[TheRide]

I'm sure it's not a typo, because there are plenty of guys that take 20grams of creatine per day, it isnt that much of an ammount.

I know that, I'm one of the guys that loads 20g of creatine a day... what a complete 'tard to take 200... For what you would spend on creatine a month why not just buy juice!

 

[Ulter]

Can you imagine how pregnant he looked if it was monohydrate? I don't know how he could have eaten anything else all day.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

I thought the post was about you Ulter..Thought you went psycho when everyone else left the AF store and started to binge out on creatine...

 

[Sunday]

Authors report a case of diffuse membranoproliferative glomerulonephritis type I

CAN SOMEONE PLS XPLAIN WHAT SIMPTOMS THESE HAS?

 

[nukdae]

More people die every month from aspirin related complications than have ever died from ephedra, but still they outlawed it.

Something isn't right.

First it was Tryptophan (for fuck's sake - why?)

Then it was GHB (don't use it like a moron and you won't die)

Then Ephedra

Now prohormones

What's next?

Nukdae

 

[wls8687]

..ok everyone (wipes tears)....i admit it....my name is POLFAJELFA and im a Protein Abuser....

LOL

 

[crazyivan]

well bro all we can do i wait for the FDA TO FUCKIN BUST ON CREITINE NOW, same thing that happened to ephidrine.some idiot fucked it up for the rest of us.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Well if they outlaw creatine they will be doing alot of people a favor...its shit

 

[thelegacy again]

what does 200mg of creatine look like? Cups or what

 

[220]

More people die every month from aspirin related complications than have ever died from ephedra, but still they outlawed it.

Something isn't right.

First it was Tryptophan (for fuck's sake - why?)

Then it was GHB (don't use it like a moron and you won't die)

Then Ephedra

Now prohormones

What's next?

Nukdae

Huh? People die from taking aspirin?

 

[220]

Authors report a case of diffuse membranoproliferative glomerulonephritis type I

CAN SOMEONE PLS XPLAIN WHAT SIMPTOMS THESE HAS?

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic882.htm ....Serum creatinine and urea nitrogen often are elevated.

 

[TraxZBT]

too much of anything is harmful.

 

[trenfan2]

Creatine supplementation study

On thing here and it is important. Do not, I repeat, do not use creatine mixed with high carb juices like OJ or grape juice. The creatine will convert to creatinine which can damage kidneys. Mix with water only.

Your warning made me curious, as I have always been told that adding carbs to the creatine was a good way to help get the uptake of the creatine. and I have always done so.

I dug up a few research studies on the subject, of which I have attached one below.
http://physrev.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/80/3/1107.pdf

here is a brief excerpt of section XII:

Not all of the ingested Cr can be retained in the body.
While a high proportion of Cr is usually retained in the
initial days of Cr supplementation, urinary Cr excretion
progressively increases with continued ingestion of Cr
(62, 116, 338, 583, 823, 1040). Urinary excretion of Cr can,
however, be reduced significantly by simultaneous ingestion
of carbohydrates (302, 303).

I think your off on your assumption that carbs will convert creatine into creatinine. Creatinine is a byproduct of creatine metabolism.

It is a long paper, but the sections I thought were relevant were mostly all of section section XII and to a lesser dergree section X part H.