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CQB and military fighting

Most "train for cash" establishments are, CQB is not immune from it nor are the rest of the arts out there.

Like anything in life, let the buyer beware, for most of whats taught in life is shit.
 
Inhibitor13 said:
CQB is a load of BULL..... BULLSHIT THATS IS !


CQB? close quarters battle? That is bullshit? Well how then do you take a room that has both good and bad in it? CQB is something that has to take place, it is never safe however one can be prepared. The idea is never to end up in the situation where hand to hand is needed, thus the concept of initial force to dominate the room. The world isn't perfect though and sometime you might find yourself in that situation and you better be prepared.

As far as knife fights, the best solution is don't do it. It just isn't worth the chance but if you have to you need to be prepared to get cut. How bad of cut is what will determine who wins.
 
The Marine Corps Martial Arts Program. Been there done that, and got the t-shirt to prove it. It's been around for 5-6 years, and I seriously doubt that there are many other CQB "styles" that are more effective. The bulk of the open handed techniques come from: Judo, Jiujitsu, Muay Thai, and boxing. There are also lots of weapons techniques, as well as non-lethal techniques, such as to deal with demonstrators, unarmed attackers etc. There isn't another program quite like it in the US military. I'm pretty sure that you can find more info on the net if you look.
 
Philips said:
hi
I'd like to know if any one has heard of some sort of CQB (close quarter battle) training program. I was told about Defendo ( www.defendo.com ) but wouyld like to know if there is any other simmilar program. (maybe better than defendo). Are programs like these simmilar to what is actually taught in the army?


Dude one should ask what do you want it for eg:work(bodyguard) fun(like to slap people) security,protect family.
these are all things that you would need to know so as to go to the rite place.
if you are in the USA then you have the world at your feet as said in this topic "BEWARE OF SCAMMERS" you also have one of the best armed forces at your disposal you just need to know how to unlock the door
every one says "KRAV KRAV KRAV" well it basic so the simplest of people can use it .
US MARINE now thats diversity lots of info hone what you need for your task.
australian armed forces not bad but need work on the h2h .
newzealand armed forces "forget it" they have people like "TANK TOD" Bigest waist of good breathing space ever alowed to walk the earth.
for all round Tough bastards you cant go past the irish SBS any serviceman that has worked with these guys will tell you the same note 5 h2h instructors in the US armed forces are x SBS so maybe thats why the US is pritty good .

so just decide what you want to learn decide what CQB meens to you if you want to know about knife there is in the states HOC(sientific fighting congress) AMOK, OR go to LA i think and train at the lions den.

Kool thats my point of view.

hey a big OOOOYAH to any US FORCES MEN AND WOMAN on this chat thanx for having my back in the GULF.

Dannyh.(ROS,CD,UWI)
 
Dannyh said:
newzealand armed forces "forget it" they have people like "TANK TOD" Bigest waist of good breathing space ever alowed to walk the earth.
Because one doesnt like the teacher, one doesnt have to dismiss the lesson. Unless you have personally trained with him and perhaps found it of no worth. Please explain.
 
Saintinistic said:
Because one doesnt like the teacher, one doesnt have to dismiss the lesson. Unless you have personally trained with him and perhaps found it of no worth. Please explain.


Dude i trained with "tank" and i found it no good at all so did the 25 other guys in our squad also a lot of what he claims to teach as CQB you would find in a "womans day "mag as helth tips
i am sorry for you being NZ i do not hold any NZ dudes to him i served with som top NZ guys but this guy "IS NOT WHAT HE CLAIMS" i sugest you do some research on the guy start with the department of defence mill recoards are not secret.


Just my 2cents.

Dannh
 
I just got out of the military. All the tarining we have done the best IMO was Ron Donvito (google his name). He currently trains the 7th Special forces group, and a few of the seal teams stop by at his place in North Carolina. He is highly knowlegeable and by far the best training for CQB and hand -to hand combat. He will teach you the difference in MMA and CQB, He teaches knife on knife, Jiu jitsu, knife against no knife to much to write here. I took the hand to hand basic instructor course and the advanced hand to hand practioner course. He has you fighting full on. No holding back you really get to see what its like to encounter just about any situatuin you could imagine, and if you want to know what to do in certain situations he will set it up for you. The guy alone could be a motivitional speaker he is like Enson Inoue a great person. His son is the official Machado representative for their area. I trained at 808 Fight Factory but just relocated to Baltimore Maryland where I will resume training with Lloyd Irvin. If you have any questions let me know I am more than willing to help and if anyone here is from Maryland please let me know where you train and if you would wat to set up some training.
 
philips, I don't know if your question was answered to your satisfaction, but here's my response to it. Did you navigate the www.defendo.com site that you posted the link to? If you did then you found this bit of info that they prefer to keep obscure, and that is, that Bill Wolfe's defendo is really not defendo at all, but rather defendu from William Fairbairn, Rex Applegate, and Eric Sykes. The original and authentic Defendo is a government and law enforcement system developed by Bill Underwood in 1945. Prior to 1945, Underwood concentrated chiefly on the unarmed killing techniques of Combato. Combato was developed during world war one, and was already a proven and perfected system for world war two. Combato techniques were exclusive to assassins and spy type operatives. These techniques in no way lend themselves well to civilian applications. Combato trained individuals were not sent in to negotiate, bargain with, or reason with their assigned targets. They were sent in to kill them. The open-hand strikes, neck and spine manipulations, are specifically for killing. There is no in-between with Combato. People on the receiving end of Combato, die. Dave Walmsley (based in London Ontario) has a system called Canadian Combato htpp://www.dolfzine.com/page704.htm ,this system is not Bill Underwood's Combato. When WW2 ended Bill Underwood saw the danger of his system falling into disuse and being abandoned. He would not have any of that, and from Combato comes Bill Underwood's Defendo which is more pain compliance, and jointlocks than just outright killing. Defendo can be used to kill, but it can be applied more to a degree. It gives the user of it some discretion, which is what makes it more appropriate for government and law enforcement. It's also taught to civilians as a self defense method. Even though Underwood was a Canadian, the Canadian Government won't allow the Canadian Forces to learn Combato because they're concerned about legal liability. Underwood's Combato has been sealed and locked up, available to no one. After WW2 most veterans skilled in Combato went to their private lives, grew old, and took it to their graves. There are people that do know this system and NO they won't teach it to you. Why is Bill Wolfe, Fairbairn, Applegate, Sykes, Cestari's Defendu passed off as Defendo when in fact it is not? I don't know. Why did Dave Walmsley call his system of survival-defense, Canadian Combato? Bill Underwood's original Combato is Canadian. The applications of Underwood's Combato are strictly lethal. Self defense is not a consideration. Walmsley's Canadian Combato survival-defense is kind of misleading, isn't it? Mislabled too. You can find out more about the original and authentic Defendo/Combato at www.underwoodsystems.com What do the military think of Defendo? They know that Defendo just isn't Combato and as long as there's a lid on it they look elsewhere to train, in Lotar/Kapap "for example". This is under the umbrella term Krav Maga. Lotar is the anti-terrorist training. Kapap is the military combatives. Interesting that someone qualified to teach Lotar/Kapap is also qualified to teach Krav Maga but not necessarily the other way around. There are Krav Maga instructors that know nothing about Lotar/Kapap. They're not privy to that training and I would say that if you're not special forces, or some government operative, neither are you. Not everyone in the military is special forces either so it's not unusual to see more CF members travelling in their civilian guises to take lessons in russian martial art, Systema. There is actually a gag order on just who the special forces members are and what they actually train in is not discussed. That is why I said Lotar/Kapap "for example", but you get the idea.
 
SAVE YOUR MONEY!!, 4realz. a long time go there was peeps pushing all that elite miltary fighting stuff and was in one of the very first ufc. THe art of safta and at the time he was on every martial magazine. He lost quick and badly.
 
Well, I use it and I must say it made me survive more times than the kempo/muay thai before it. whether thats because I am older know and more aggressive or whther its the training I cant say. As a bouncer it made me more efficient at stopping situations. but I say give a class a go, and the bullshit will become apparent soon enough. I was taught right, by a person directly from the special forces. Many times the teacher is the asset and makes great fighters, not the style/way.

I cant stand TKD, as I think it is bullshit, but I think people should decide for themselves, just like views on CQC, everyone should keep researching the stuff and filter out what works and what doesnt.

Sad that people turn CQC into the same money grabbing thing that makes mega churches and television priests bullshit. but McDojo's are everywhere. not just CQC
 
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