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"Cops suck dick.".....this kid was an idiot.

casavant

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Around 1am last night when I was working the door at the bar , a pair of bike cops stopped in to check on things. This is a usual thing on weekends; we usually see them several times a night. They were standing right outside the door and I stepped out and was bullshitting with them a little bit. Some guy in his early 20's sat down on my bar chair right inside the door and started saying- loud enough for the officers to hear him- "Cops suck dick." After they heard this a couple of times, they walked over and warned him to shut his mouth. The idiot started up again a minute later, and after hearing a few more times that they were ropesuckers, they walked in, grabbed him by his shirt, and shoved him out the door. They slapped the cuffs on him and he was like, "What the hell are you arresting me for?!"

"Drunken and disorderly conduct."

"What?! It's freedom of speech man. And I was in a bar- you're supposed to get drunk in a bar."

"Tell it to the judge, buddy."

They called up a squad car and a minute later he was on his way to city jail.

"That's 'POP procedure'- 'Pissing Off the Police.'", one of the cops said to me afterward when we were talking.

These guys that think that they're going to be protected by the letter of the law when they're around cops are some naive motherfuckers, man. They have a huge amount of discretion, and when it's their word against yours, you're pretty much fucked anyway.

Incidentally, the arresting officer dealt with my little brother the week before last. They got a disturbance call from my bro's neighbors because he and his roomies were playing the bongos real loud around a small bonfire in their backyard. When the cops walked up, they were all inside and in the process of rolling up a joint. They watched the joint get rolled and then knocked on the door. My bro's roomie thought it was friends and said, "Come on in." Big mistake. So in walk the cops, and one dude had this fucking joint in mid-puff :FRlol: They confiscated a little under a half ounce of weed, two or three pipes, and a 2 foot bong. They gave everybody hell, scared them, threatened them with jail, etc. But nobody mouthed off to them, and this cop knew my bro was my bro (for better or worse- I guess for better). Although he did ask my brother if he'd been with me when I got my DWI, and said, "Casavant sure is something else when he gets drunk, isn't he?" :elephant:

Noone got charged with anything.

Like I said, they have a shitload of discretion.
 
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2Thick said:
Those cops are pussy assholes...

Hiding behind the badge....like good little scared children.

I'm no big fan of cops myself. Either way though, that's the reality you have to deal with.
 
2Thick said:
Those cops are pussy assholes...

Hiding behind the badge....like good little scared children.


And if the other little child wouldn't have been calling the badge names, they wouldn't have had to play the game, right?


That guy insults the cops BECAUSE OF THE BADGE.

So, they respond WITH THE BADGE.

It's a cycle.

Cops don't pull you over if you aren't breaking the law, right?
 
Big Brother Val said:



And if the other little child wouldn't have been calling the badge names, they wouldn't have had to play the game, right?


That guy insults the cops BECAUSE OF THE BADGE.

So, they respond WITH THE BADGE.

It's a cycle.

Cops don't pull you over if you aren't breaking the law, right?

Three words:

Abuse of Power
 
If some drunk said the same thing to me unprovoked while I was working, I'd have done the exact same thing.
 
supernav said:
Few things:

1) did you know it's ILLEGAL to get drunk? Yep. Cops CAN walk into a bar and arrest anyone they think is drunk. You can't be drunk in public, and a bar is still a public place. Go yell at your politicians who make cops carry out their dumb laws.

2) Freedom of speech is fine. Walking up to a cop and saying he's a dick is fine. But shouting it loud and interrupting other people's conversation is "disorderly". It's akin to me walking into a mall and shouting "You all will go to hell!". Yeah it's free speech, but i can write it on paper and give it to people. I don't need to be disorderly about it.

That's the two things that'l be put in front of the jduge, and get this bozo a fine. Contrary to opinion, cops don't just arrest people for nothing. Albiet this guy did piss them off, and why shouldn't they throw the book at him if they have the opportunity. He should know better.

Don't believe me? Wear a t-shirt saying "Cops suck" and walk down the street minding your own business. Cops CAN'T touch you, cuz then it's a freedom of speech issue, and you ain't doing nothing illegal. But walk down that same street SCREAMING it, and now you can get hauled in.

-= nav =-



:garza:
 
2Thick said:
Those cops are pussy assholes...

Hiding behind the badge....like good little scared children.

Ya I am sure if you were standing there and he kept saying how much dick you sucked you would be happy about that right?? Nah you probally would go over and say you haven't seen nothing yet and start smokin his bone. Give it a rest with your left wing bullshit 2thick. I hope some cops pull you over and fuck your skull up real nice then give you something to ACTUALLY complain about instead of all these reasons you invent.
 
supernav said:
Few things:

1) did you know it's ILLEGAL to get drunk? Yep. Cops CAN walk into a bar and arrest anyone they think is drunk. You can't be drunk in public, and a bar is still a public place. Go yell at your politicians who make cops carry out their dumb laws.

2) Freedom of speech is fine. Walking up to a cop and saying he's a dick is fine. But shouting it loud and interrupting other people's conversation is "disorderly". It's akin to me walking into a mall and shouting "You all will go to hell!". Yeah it's free speech, but i can write it on paper and give it to people. I don't need to be disorderly about it.

That's the two things that'l be put in front of the jduge, and get this bozo a fine. Contrary to opinion, cops don't just arrest people for nothing. Albiet this guy did piss them off, and why shouldn't they throw the book at him if they have the opportunity. He should know better.

Don't believe me? Wear a t-shirt saying "Cops suck" and walk down the street minding your own business. Cops CAN'T touch you, cuz then it's a freedom of speech issue, and you ain't doing nothing illegal. But walk down that same street SCREAMING it, and now you can get hauled in.

-= nav =-

:D

Thanks for expanding on my point. Yeah, cops can arrest you on a shitload of technicalities. They could have arrested nearly everyone on that street for the same thing. They have a whole arsenal of them at their disposal. That police report helps a lot too. Minor "adjustments" can be made if need be.

But the bar was packed, and the guy wasn't screaming it, FYI. In fact, I was unaware that he was saying anything until they yanked him out the door and I got the whole story afterward. I'd been in a noisy bar all night and was busy carding people.

-=casavant=-
 
SupraHero said:


Ya I am sure if you were standing there and he kept saying how much dick you sucked you would be happy about that right?? Nah you probally would go over and say you haven't seen nothing yet and start smokin his bone. Give it a rest with your left wing bullshit 2thick. I hope some cops pull you over and fuck your skull up real nice then give you something to ACTUALLY complain about instead of all these reasons you invent.


Actually, he almost has a point. He misses the bullseye by about 2 feet... but he's at least hitting the edge of the target.

Cops can and do abuse power. Some cops give people shit just because of the badge. As a cop, they cannot use their position in defense of personal feelings. If you insult a cop, it's NO DIFFERENT than insulting a regular citizen. He can take offense to it, but that's about it. In fact, the cop has to be more diligent in his response than a normal person would.

However, in this situation, the cops were doing BOTH. They arrested him because he was being a dick, no doubt, but they did have legal standing to do so.

2Thick got his name because of how thick headed he is, not because of that lat spread you see in his avatar. :doublefi:
 
Also, I don't really give a shit if they arrested the guy. He was being a mouthy fuck. If I were in their shoes I'd probably do the same thing. You better believe I use my authority as a bouncer to fuck with people if they're fucking with me. I'm not on a power trip, but sometimes I'm not in the mood for taking shit. The last guy that responded with a "Fuck you." when I politely asked him to do something got dragged through the bar and thrown out on his ass. Fuck HIM.
 
casavant said:
Also, I don't really give a shit if they arrested the guy. He was being a mouthy fuck. If I were in their shoes I'd probably do the same thing. You better believe I use my authority as a bouncer to fuck with people if they're fucking with me. I'm not on a power trip, but sometimes I'm not in the mood for taking shit. The last guy that responded with a "Fuck you." when I politely asked him to do something got dragged through the bar and thrown out on his ass. Fuck HIM.


thats the bad thing cas...

if they hadnt got him, you probably would have got
some decent nfl style hangtime on his ass...

but then, according to 2Thick, since you guys sold
him alcohol, you couldn't ask him to leave...

and if the police helped you remove him without asking
him nicely in a hug a thug manner to please be nice, then
they would be violating his 1st amendment rights...

i wonder, if he was stabbing someone, would the police have
to ask him nicely 3 times to quit before taking any other steps???
 
bwood said:



thats the bad thing cas...

if they hadnt got him, you probably would have got
some decent nfl style hangtime on his ass...

but then, according to 2Thick, since you guys sold
him alcohol, you couldn't ask him to leave...

and if the police helped you remove him without asking
him nicely in a hug a thug manner to please be nice, then
they would be violating his 1st amendment rights...

i wonder, if he was stabbing someone, would the police have
to ask him nicely 3 times to quit before taking any other steps???

If the guy was drunk, then I understand but every American has the right to insult policemen as long as they do not threaten him.
 
You do not have the right to insult a policeman. You can think he is a dick, but if you tell him he is one i can assure that you will go to jail. I know from personal experience. I got charged with PI when i wasn't even drinking. It was just bc i talked shit to the cop after he wouldn't let me back into the club to get my friend who was driving. Never tell a cop he is a dick. Trust me.
 
Jimsbbc said:
You do not have the right to insult a policeman. You can think he is a dick, but if you tell him he is one i can assure that you will go to jail. I know from personal experience. I got charged with PI when i wasn't even drinking. It was just bc i talked shit to the cop after he wouldn't let me back into the club to get my friend who was driving. Never tell a cop he is a dick. Trust me.

EXACTLY!!! I am personally going to graduate next semester from college with my degree in criminal justice and I am planning on becoming a law enforcement officer after that. I will be the first to admit if someone is standing there talking unwarranted shit just because he think he can, I will be the first to remove him of that thought. You WILL NOT stand there and talk shit to a cop when he hasn't done anything to you just because you think you have a so called "freedom of speech". If you are talking shit and you make someone feel threatend are you aware you have committed battery?? If you are not well now you are. Peace.
 
Jimsbbc said:
You do not have the right to insult a policeman. You can think he is a dick, but if you tell him he is one i can assure that you will go to jail. I know from personal experience. I got charged with PI when i wasn't even drinking. It was just bc i talked shit to the cop after he wouldn't let me back into the club to get my friend who was driving. Never tell a cop he is a dick. Trust me.


You can go up to a cop, tell him you think he is a cocksucking shit whore, and there is nothing he can do about it. Granted, you have to go about it in a manner that he doesn't get you for disorderly conduct or something. But if you walk up to him, and say in a normal, calm tone of voice: "You aren't worth the peanuts in my shit, you shitass", he can do nothing about it. He has no legal standing to arrest you for giving him your opinion.
 
2 thick -

You can, but i am saying, he will charge you with something most likely. They can do about anything since it's his word against yours and being in a bar in the first place... Just don't tell him he is a dick, that's all.
 
So if i get pulled over by the Police and say

"officer, thank you for the ticket. I find you to be a disguisting example of law enforcement and resent you on every level, also you smell like a pig"


This is grounds for arrest?
 
Jimsbbc said:
2 thick -

You can, but i am saying, he will charge you with something most likely. They can do about anything since it's his word against yours and being in a bar in the first place... Just don't tell him he is a dick, that's all.


He can... if he's a dick. But he has to report why he arrested you. If you wanted to make a serious deal out of it, chances are, the charges would be dropped.
 
gwl9dta4 said:
So if i get pulled over by the Police and say

"officer, thank you for the ticket. I find you to be a disguisting example of law enforcement and resent you on every level, also you smell like a pig"


This is grounds for arrest?


Speeding is grounds for arrest. Telling him how you feel about him is not by any means.
 
What would you do if someone said that you suck dick (assuming it's not true)? would you say "sir thank you for exercising your freedom of speech"? or would you do something a little more drastic?
 
SupraHero said:


EXACTLY!!! I am personally going to graduate next semester from college with my degree in criminal justice and I am planning on becoming a law enforcement officer after that. I will be the first to admit if someone is standing there talking unwarranted shit just because he think he can, I will be the first to remove him of that thought. You WILL NOT stand there and talk shit to a cop when he hasn't done anything to you just because you think you have a so called "freedom of speech". If you are talking shit and you make someone feel threatend are you aware you have committed battery?? If you are not well now you are. Peace.


AND YOU MAKE SOMEONE FEEL THREATENED is your key statement. Freedom of speech does say you can tell the cop he's a cocksucker, and there's no problem. If you sit there and ramble on for 5 minutes, you can probably get tagged for disorderly conduct.

However, where I am, you cannot arrest someone for threatening someone. There is no such thing as verbal assault. It can be considered assault if the threat is accompanied by an immediate show of force or violence... even if no contact is made.
 
I guess that's where i fucked up. The 2 cops at the door didn't do anything until i got right up in his face and told him he was a "fucking dickhead". I was really pissed when it happened. I didn't really mean to do that but he came up to me first to ask me If i wanted to go to jail. I'm pretty sure that was threating by definition. I usually don't act like that but this guy was really being a dick about it.
 
Jimsbbc said:
I guess that's where i fucked up. The 2 cops at the door didn't do anything until i got right up in his face and told him he was a "fucking dickhead". I was really pissed when it happened. I didn't really mean to do that but he came up to me first to ask me If i wanted to go to jail. I'm pretty sure that was threating by definition. I usually don't act like that but this guy was really being a dick about it.


Dont feel bad happens to the best of us.:D
 
Jimsbbc said:
I guess that's where i fucked up. The 2 cops at the door didn't do anything until i got right up in his face and told him he was a "fucking dickhead". I was really pissed when it happened. I didn't really mean to do that but he came up to me first to ask me If i wanted to go to jail. I'm pretty sure that was threating by definition. I usually don't act like that but this guy was really being a dick about it.



A cop can be a hardass, a dick, egocentric, or just a downright asshole... however, he is not stepping on your rights by doing so. Basically, if the cop feels he has reasonable cause to detain you, or prevent you from entering or exiting a building, that is all he needs, reagardless of what you think or feel. When you get in his face and are really angry and tell him to fuck off and whatever... then yeah... disorderly conduct.

It's a thin line, most people are just 2Thick-headed to understand the whole situation.
 
2Thick said:


If the guy was drunk, then I understand but every American has the right to insult policemen as long as they do not threaten him.

very true on the right to insult...

however, police are trained to notice when things
are not normal for the situation...

openly insulting a cop is not normal...yet...keep hoping though 2Thick...

but, by doing this, you draw attention to yourself...and to any illegality that you may be doing...

and this is a factor that may be considered as to whether a person is drunk(the insulting),as most normal people do not do this unless there is an extinuating circumstance(intoxication)...

just how it is...

but please, if ever arrested for this, call the judge a cocksucker too...dont worry, he will not abuse his discretion in dealing with you...:rolleyes: he understands that this is your right...
 
I've never given much credence to rights that exist in theory and on paper but not on the street. Knowing that your theoretical right was violated while you're sitting in a jail cell just isn't much comfort.
 
you got fucked cas...

none of the threatening charges should have stuck...

since you were drunk, you could not form mens rea and as such
should not have been convicted for anything other than the
intoxication related charges...

sorry bro...
 
Cops have authority & police discretion. It isn't a good idea to piss off authority figures who can harm you at will unless you have a good getaway plan or know how to throw your voice.
 
if i were that doink that got arrested, i would collect witnesses including all of the people i was with, and CAS.

If he was being drunk and disorderly, the bouncer would notice as well. Cas just stated he did not notice.

What is or is not drunk or disorderly is the discretion of the cop at the time of the arrest, but the judges during trial.

Judges are normally far more fair. They actually believe in things like the bill of rights.

NOW... the tricky part is reclaiming the time you have lost during lockup and court appearances, much less the fees to your attorney. BUT, you have to be willing to fight for your rights. And, who knows, maybe you can point internal affairs.
 
anythingbutsane said:
if i were that doink that got arrested, i would collect witnesses including all of the people i was with, and CAS.

If he was being drunk and disorderly, the bouncer would notice as well. Cas just stated he did not notice.

What is or is not drunk or disorderly is the discretion of the cop at the time of the arrest, but the judges during trial.

Judges are normally far more fair. They actually believe in things like the bill of rights.


IF YOU BELIEVE THIS, YOU REALLY ARE AS STUPID AS I THOUGHT YOU WERE. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST MAN, HOW CAN YOU BE SO FUCKING NAIVE!!!




KAYNE
 
2Thick said:
Those cops are pussy assholes...

Hiding behind the badge....like good little scared children.

What would you expect from a career where having too high of an IQ could disqualify you from employment?

Has anybody ever stopped to wonder who is actually employed in the local police department? We are not talking summa cum laude here folks. You or I could likely do a much better job as a rookie than many cops do as veterans... yet they are the ones who can freely carry the guns. Nice.

-Warik
 
Darktooth said:



I've never heard of being DQ'ed for being "too smart."

Do you have a link so I can check it out?

You can start here:


Now according to what I've read, Bob, the New London police only interview those who score between 20 and 27 and you got a 33, and that the average score nationally is a 21 to 22 with an IQ equivalent of 104 and your IQ is 125. What did you say to the New London police when they said, in essence, Bob, you're too smart?

http://www.cnn.com/LAW/greta.at.law/jordan.09.13/transcript.html

And here...


A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/toosmart000908.html

Here's some more:


"The Justice Department's Civil Rights Division has been pressuring police forces across the country to abandon "cognitive" entrance exams [exams based upon mental ability, reasoning skills, and intelligence], which test for basic reading, writing, memory and reasoning skills. The Department argues that such tests are illegal because they exclude too many minorities from police ranks.

http://www.adversity.net/0_PoliceFireMuni/PFM_intro.htm

Did you know that: "The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104." Average - that means that half of the police force is likely below that... what's the standard deviation? I don't know... but I'll tell you this, if the standard deviation is greater than or equal to 4 that means that we have cops running around out there with two digit IQs - i.e. BELOW AVERAGE. What kind of jobs do people with below average IQs typically hold? Let's have a small quiz:

WHICH DOES NOT BELONG?
a) Burger flipping
b) Janitorial work
c) Grocery bagging
d) Police work

If you guessed (d), then you're correct... and probably too smart to be a cop!

-Warik
 
KAYNE said:



IF YOU BELIEVE THIS, YOU REALLY ARE AS STUPID AS I THOUGHT YOU WERE. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST MAN, HOW CAN YOU BE SO FUCKING NAIVE!!!




KAYNE

KAYNE i have told you before, and i tell you again, just because you type one sentence after another does not necessarily mean they relate, much less support each other.

So please be more explicit. Your foggy logic lacks salience.
 
anythingbutsane said:


KAYNE i have told you before, and i tell you again, just because you type one sentence after another does not necessarily mean they relate, much less support each other.

So please be more explicit. Your foggy logic lacks salience.


PLEASE READ THE QUOTE FROM YOU IN MY POST. THEN READ MY REPLY. PUT THE TWO TOGETHER. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ANYONE WITH MORE THEN 10 BRAIN CELLS. EVEN THE LITTLE GIRLS YOU MOLEST CAN MAKE SENSE OUT OF THAT MORON (AND THEY ARE PREPUBESCENT)

I'LL BE BACK FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT LATER. I'M GOING TO THE GYM. SOMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK INTO DOING.




KAYNE
 
Two words...”Probable Cause”. The charge in the end might very well not stick, but the handcuffs can and will come out if the officer has probable cause.
 
Darktooth said:
Interesting.

I think those cases are isolated though, and most were from that New London, CT case...

I know a lot of smart cops, many of whom graduated with 2,4, and 6 year degrees in a wide spectrum of subjects.

I don't think they have dropped testing like that in California., but I might be wrong. I will ask about it tomorrow, or as soon as I can.


As for the last thing you wrote, I never knew that statistic. That makes me laugh, because stupid people should NOT be cops, especially since those tests test for reading, writing, memory, and reasoning skills! Scary!

look mommy! iwannabeafedtooth is here.
 
The thing is, when you're arrested on a small charge like that, you just get booked in and they give you a relatively small fine. You can pay the fine and have it done with, or you can get a lawyer and go to court and all that good stuff, which will cost you much more money and time. And if you go to court and lose, of which there's a very good chance, you get to pay court costs too.


bwood: check your PM box, my man. :)
 
Darktooth said:
I know a lot of smart cops, many of whom graduated with 2,4, and 6 year degrees in a wide spectrum of subjects.

Yes, but degree NEVER necessarily equals intelligence. There is someone in my software engineering class who is graduating soon and does not know shit about his own major, much less anything outside his field. The fact that the average cop IQ is 104 scares me.

If 125 is too high and 104 is average, that would mean that the maximum allowable IQ can be no higher than 124. 124 - 104 = 20. Since 99.7% (or is it 99.97%? I forget...) of the population must lie within 3 standard deviations, the standard deviation can be no higher than 20 / 3 = ~7. So... since half of the people in the sample set are BELOW average (104), and 68% of the group lies within 1 standard deviation (or 34% to the left of the mean), that means that 99.7 / 2 = 49.85% - 34% = ~16% of police officers on the force have two digit (i.e. below average) IQs.

That is very comforting to know.

-Warik
 
my dog could get a degree in elementary education, criminal justice, or finance. She would probably make the dean's list in el ed.
 
Cops are just normal people. Nothing more, nothing less. Some are assholes that abuse thier power and some are good people. You can't group them because everyone is different. I've dealt with good cops that I appreiciate and respect and other that I don't think have any business wearing a badge.
 
anythingbutsane said:
my dog could get a degree in elementary education, criminal justice, or finance. She would probably make the dean's list in el ed.

YEAH, AND ANYONE CAN PICK UP ON 12 YEAR OLDS TO YOU FUCKING PEDOPHILE.




KAYNE
 
Ladies and Gents: Check your state laws first before talking smack to the cops. It is illegal to talk junk or give attitude to a Police officer in this state. They can and will ticket you for it.
 
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