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Interesting. Though, I've always heard that pro hormones typically bring more side effects even though they aren't as effective as AAS.
Considering a first cycle... eventually
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Interesting. Though, I've always heard that pro hormones typically bring more side effects even though they aren't as effective as AAS.
Idobehigh
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Depends on the ph, run a no name ph then yes but almost all mr supps ph come with very lil sides and the same with the rs transaderm read some of the logs man
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If one were to take Epi-Strong, would Nolva @ 20/20/10/10 be an ideal PCT? That seems to be what a lot of the logs use. Also, would something like HCGenerate be necessary?
What is it about "nolva is garbage" do you not understand? Please explain to me how nolva helps restart your natural test production?
Idobehigh
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Not one log have I seen were they run nolva for pct
theastrogeist
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I'm just trying to learn. It seems that everyone in my position is told to "GO RESEARCH," only to find that a lot of information is conflicting. Anyway, here's what I read:
"The most common use of Nolvadex for an anabolic steroid user is during PCT. When we use anabolic androgenic steroids our natural testosterone production comes to a halt, regardless if our cycle was comprised of exogenous testosterone or not and remedy must necessarily be applied. It is for this reason it is imperative most base their cycles around testosterone but once the cycle is complete we must do all we can to bring natural production back to its natural state if we are to maintain any of the gains made while on cycle as well as maintain proper and adequate overall health. As Nolvadex has been shown to greatly increase natural testosterone production it only makes sense to supplement with it after a steroid cycle is complete. While a PCT plan will generally last 3-4 weeks this is not enough to bring your levels back to normal; however, it will greatly speed the process up."
I'm sure you are well-educated in AAS and lifting in general, but perhaps now you can see why I mentioned Nolvadex.
The negativity towards Tamoxifen is overrated at best. Tamoxifen can be a part of a good PCT, just like it can be a part of a good anti-gynecomastia therapy.
Ya I completely understand bro. Every time someone says research you come back with a million different opinions and its definitely confusing. So I will help you out. Nolvadex was used years ago for this purpose. However, over time those of us who were smart enough to realize that most people recommending this approach never truly recovered using this method. Nolva will indeed temporarily raise test, but what goes up will come crashing back down. And in the case of nolva, the way down is much more detrimental as the bounce back often takes significantly longer. So after its all said and done, your gains are gone, and your standing there with a limp dick in your hand. IMO and experience a more effective approach is to use a low dose of clomid with natural testosterone boosters, and a mild ai and something to cleanse your system. If no pct is run, your body will do this on its own eventually. But your gains will be long gone way before that happens. So the obvious and smartest option is to run a pct. there are many effective test boosters to choose from. I highly recommend the pc/ unleashed combo, forged methyl, or Phyto serms. For effective ai support in pct, forma is great. There are several different options and I suggest you add some combo of these products to your pct. for the transaderm and epi stack I do something like
Clomid 25 mg day
Pc/ unleashed
Forma
Daa
Or
Clomid 25 mg day
Phytoserms or forged methyl
Forma
I also suggest running n2guard for a few weeks into pct to help protect and cleanse the system.
Yes, after reading that. But it is horseshit at best. While I agree with Wolfpack that it is useful in the case of gyno issues I will never agree that it is helpful in PCT. Even patients who medically require Nolva feel like shit and get shitty sides from it. Read more about nolva and what exactly it does and its potential sides (which can include blood clots) and decide for yourself. Not information where someone says "its been shown to yadda yadda..."
There are a ton of better options out there.
at 22 you still have plenty of time to research this stuff. you seem to be on the right track asking questions.. however i would encourage you to research (i know you don't want to hear that anymore but its true) before you start getting fancy with cycles.
i agree with joe's suggestion. run a 'pro hormone' type cycle first.. the thing that confuses newbs is they see pro hormone and don't really get what that means and for good reason. mr supps products listed as pro hormones aren't really pro hormones.. they are designer steroids sold as 'pro hormones' ... they are as real as any oral steroid out there .. kinda like how tomato's are sold as vegetables at the grocery store but they are really a fruit. thats what makes them legal (for now atleast lol)
your stats are solid assuming you are telling the truth.. so this is what i would do if i were you to keep this shit as simple as possible and i promise you that you will not only grow like a weed during cycle but you will continue to grow through pct and beyond assuming you continue to workout and eat like a horse.
any of you other newbs reading this follow this and follow this close as this is a great way to get your feet wet into this shit WITHOUT dealing with needles and running long acting shit that is gonna shut your ass down the first time or that is illegal
rs transaderm 1-6 (see discount in my signature and banner)
katanadrol or epi 1-6 (PM me i can probably get you a deal or go to mr supps.com)
pct:
you don't need to get fancy with a short easy cycle like this and use shitty nolva or clomid and feel like shit.. instead feel great in pct..
1-2 bottles of phystoserms (again see the discount in my signature and click banner)
as simple as that.. not sure why you are making things more complicated than they are.. you will get just as good results on this cycle i listed then that crappy one your 'friend' wants you to do and most importantly you will KEEP your gains.
i agree with joe's suggestion. run a 'pro hormone' type cycle first.. the thing that confuses newbs is they see pro hormone and don't really get what that means and for good reason. mr supps products listed as pro hormones aren't really pro hormones.. they are designer steroids sold as 'pro hormones' ... they are as real as any oral steroid out there .. kinda like how tomato's are sold as vegetables at the grocery store but they are really a fruit. thats what makes them legal (for now atleast lol)
your stats are solid assuming you are telling the truth.. so this is what i would do if i were you to keep this shit as simple as possible and i promise you that you will not only grow like a weed during cycle but you will continue to grow through pct and beyond assuming you continue to workout and eat like a horse.
any of you other newbs reading this follow this and follow this close as this is a great way to get your feet wet into this shit WITHOUT dealing with needles and running long acting shit that is gonna shut your ass down the first time or that is illegal
rs transaderm 1-6 (see discount in my signature and banner)
katanadrol or epi 1-6 (PM me i can probably get you a deal or go to mr supps.com)
pct:
you don't need to get fancy with a short easy cycle like this and use shitty nolva or clomid and feel like shit.. instead feel great in pct..
1-2 bottles of phystoserms (again see the discount in my signature and click banner)
as simple as that.. not sure why you are making things more complicated than they are.. you will get just as good results on this cycle i listed then that crappy one your 'friend' wants you to do and most importantly you will KEEP your gains.
