Congress - HGH - & Professional Athletics

[redsamurai]

I can't argue that.

But gear is a lot like weights in that it's a great tool for performance enhancement when used correctly and a huge disaster if abused.

The comparison between damaging your health through physical exertion vs substituting your bodies hormones with synthetic versions is woefully invalid, I hope you were just being snarky.

 

[PICK3]

The comparison between damaging your health through physical exertion vs substituting your bodies hormones with synthetic versions is woefully invalid, I hope you were just being snarky.

 

[mrplunkey]

The comparison between damaging your health through physical exertion vs substituting your bodies hormones with synthetic versions is woefully invalid, I hope you were just being snarky.

Ahhh... So the multi-million dollar athlete with an army of endocrinologists monitoring him is worse off than a 17 year old about to compression fracture L1 by trying to squat 100lbs too much with terrible form?

 

[PICK3]

Ahhh... So the multi-million dollar athlete with an army of endocrinologists monitoring him is worse off than a 17 year old about to compression fracture L1 by trying to squat 100lbs too much with terrible form?

and w/o wearing teh Vibrams

 

[redsamurai]

Ahhh... So the multi-million dollar athlete with an army of endocrinologists monitoring him is worse off than a 17 year old about to compression fracture L1 by trying to squat 100lbs too much with terrible form?

stop moving down the line, we're not talking about 17 year high school kids trying to ego lift. The issue is whether professional athletes should basically be forced into substituting their natural hormones in order to compete with those that are.

And that professional athlete with an army of endocrinologists, will they be there when he's washed out of the sport? No, and those drugs he took while he was playing always take their cut on the back end. The endocrinologists are just there to keep him playing for the few years he's a viable asset to a team, after that they're gone.

 

[mrplunkey]

stop moving down the line, we're not talking about 17 year high school kids trying to ego lift. The issue is whether professional athletes should basically be forced into substituting their natural hormones in order to compete with those that are.

And that professional athlete with an army of endocrinologists, will they be there when he's washed out of the sport? No, and those drugs he took while he was playing always take their cut on the back end. The endocrinologists are just there to keep him playing for the few years he's a viable asset to a team, after that they're gone.

So let's get this straight:

- We can force them to engage in high-intensity training, some of which has a proven track history of injury.
- We can force them into strict dietary and supplementation regimens, some of which have known adverse health effects.
- We can force them to forgo their high school and college educations. So they'll either go pro or be a janitor somewhere.
- We can force them to risk vertebral / spinal disc degeneration in their older age due to repeated spine trauma.
- We can force them to sacrifice their joint health at old age (linemen don't do well post-retirement)
- We can force them to risk left ventricular hypertrophy from high cardiac output demands.
- We can force them to risk delayed-onset dementia from repeated blows to the head.

But we can't let them feel pressured into taking hormonal supplementation due to its potential downstream effects.

I'm not buying it.

 

[musclemom]

I agree they should stay out of it.

But I'm sure their argument involves protecting the public interest. They'd argue that enough Americans, particularly children, are effected by athletes acting as role models.

It's BS, but that's probably their argument.

SpyWizard and Lartinos are picking up on it, it's a shill game. Same fucking argument used against gay marriage. Stupid arguments that get people worked up and totally distracts them from anything that really matters. Oh no, pro football players take steroids, next thing you know it will be infiltrating the PONY LEAGUE!!!

Right up there with getting the conservative Christians frightened that if you let gays marry somehow The Geigh will turn into a pandemic and otherwise straight people will become fruitloops overnight and the fabric of society will dissolve. Do they really think there are that many latent homosexuals in the world?

 

[redsamurai]

So let's get this straight:

- We can force them to engage in high-intensity training, some of which has a proven track history of injury.
- We can force them into strict dietary and supplementation regimens, some of which have known adverse health effects.
- We can force them to forgo their high school and college educations. So they'll either go pro or be a janitor somewhere.
- We can force them to risk vertebral / spinal disc degeneration in their older age due to repeated spine trauma.
- We can force them to sacrifice their joint health at old age (linemen don't do well post-retirement)
- We can force them to risk left ventricular hypertrophy from high cardiac output demands.
- We can force them to risk delayed-onset dementia from repeated blows to the head.

But we can't let them feel pressured into taking hormonal supplementation due to its potential downstream effects.

I'm not buying it.

Uhhh that training stuff you're talking about doesn't just make them more competitive on the field, it what keeps them healthy and playing at all. I would think most people intuitively understood this but I concede that if you didn't play a sport or at least a physical one, than maybe you don't understand this. Ask any football player what would happen to him on sunday if he didn't train...and detrimental dietary effects? what in the z hell are you talking about squids? Professional athletes eat way better than anyone on the planet...they have dieticians telling them exactly when to eat and cooks that will make their food. They eat the best food money can buy, sometimes I'm just left speechless by some of the stuff you write. If you have an opinion on something fine but do think it through otherwise it sounds like you're the one getting stoned. Is it the Lunesta talking or something cause that I understand.

And actually foregoing high school and college is being frowned upon if only for the idea that playing out your college career makes you a better player with less to teach when you reach the pro's. I know they don't give a shit about your education. But hey, Andrew Luck is about to get paid like a mother and he stayed at Stanford to finish his architecture. You can stay in school and still go pro, it's just a matter of losing a year or two of salary. Did Luck get pressured into leaving Stanford? OF course, but did he..no, and wasn't forced to.

So unless you're going to advocate some sort of "all natural" sports leagues, which would be a mess....looks like we should be staying roid free in professional sports. And that left ventricle hypertrophy is more often then not the result of steroid use you did know that right? Cause I do for a fact because the Cleveland Clinic told me so....who should I listen to on that one, hmmmm.....

oh yeah...

Am J Cardiol. 1997 Nov 15;80(10):1384-8.

Left ventricular hypertrophy in athletes.

Douglas PS, O'Toole ML, Katz SE, Ginsburg GS, Hiller WD, Laird RH.


Source

Cardiovascular Division, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts 02215, USA.


Abstract

Left ventricular wall thickness >1.3 cm, septal-to-posterior wall ratios > 1.5, diastolic left ventricular size >6.0 cm, and eccentric or concentric remodeling are rare in athletes. Values outside of these cutoffs in an athlete of any age probably represent a pathologic state.


PMID: 9388126 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


ur still dumb

 

[mrplunkey]

^^^ There is so much wrong with that post that I genuinely don't know where to start.

 

[PICK3]

^^^ There is so much wrong with that post that I genuinely don't know where to start.