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combine the mentzer H.I.T. and the Arnold overtraining together?

little chris

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Ok, me and my training partner have just started the mentzer H.I.T. training this week and I'm sore as shit and I'm exhausted after just spening around 30-35mins in the gym. I tried the Arnold overtraining before and that was actually more mentally exhaustive knowing you were gonna be in the gym for at least 75-90mins for 5-6 days a week. I've read mixed reactions on both systems, the pros and the cons, "not enough" and "too much" so what if you cycled the two, Week 1 mentzer and Week 2 Arnold? trying to find a happy medium here.
 
It doesn't work that way. It's either one or the other. Forget Arnold's proven method of overtraining and no gains(unless you're a genetic freak) . Train Mentzer style. Guaranteed results.
Just mix up your exercises every week, but don't do more than 2 sets per.
 
Just do 3-6 sets to concentric failure per muscle group and you should have no problem growing. 1 set per muscle is not enough and arnold style is way overtraining. It makes no sense to do HIT one week and Arnold style the other.

Oh and this should really be on the training board.
 
I think I'd rather go the Mentzer route, its just I've read of these shock system workouts where your muscles never know what to expect. But I'll listen to you guys and take your advice chief on the 3-6 set per bodypart H.I.T. cause I'm a hardgainer and know 1 set will work. Sorry about the wrong forum I'm going to getting surgery soon to remove my head from my ass (hehe).
 
little chris said:
I think I'd rather go the Mentzer route, its just I've read of these shock system workouts where your muscles never know what to expect. But I'll listen to you guys and take your advice chief on the 3-6 set per bodypart H.I.T. cause I'm a hardgainer and know 1 set will work. Sorry about the wrong forum I'm going to getting surgery soon to remove my head from my ass (hehe).


These shock system workouts you can achieve in many ways without straying from the Mentzer principles of training. I suggest you read his book 'Mind and Body'.
 
No, you don't want to switch between the two week after week. If one leaves you totally exhausted, why would you ever want to follow it in the first place? You said it resulted in overtraining, which I take to mean "no gains."

Trying to do both half-way is a variation on the golden mean fallacy; i.e., the truth is "somewhere in the middle." It's a novel idea on the face of things, but you need to figure out what you need to do to grow as fast as possible. Following some arbitrary set of rules, like Arnold's, don't factor into the picture.

I somewhat like Heavy Duty training when the frequency of training has you nailing each bodypart hard at least every 7-9 days. Beyond that, I'm increasingly convinced that you're not doing a whole lot to facilitate muscle growth...maybe a little here and there, but to really get the ball rolling, you need hard stimulation as often as possible. Doggcrapp's training approach, IMO, is a good way to approach this. You do minimal volume but work very hard, and you provide another stimulus soon enough that it'll force you to keep growing.

Louden, Fatty, and many others have reported on the efficacy of this method's success. I've seen far fewer report consistently great results with Mentzer's post _Heavy Duty pt. I_ workouts, including myself. Even after a moderate cycle, my arms, though a more shapely, have remained soundly stuck at 18" for a looooooong time, even after experiencing some very nice strength gains.
 
guldukat said:
No, you don't want to switch between the two week after week. If one leaves you totally exhausted, why would you ever want to follow it in the first place? You said it resulted in overtraining, which I take to mean "no gains."

Trying to do both half-way is a variation on the golden mean fallacy; i.e., the truth is "somewhere in the middle." It's a novel idea on the face of things, but you need to figure out what you need to do to grow as fast as possible. Following some arbitrary set of rules, like Arnold's, don't factor into the picture.

I somewhat like Heavy Duty training when the frequency of training has you nailing each bodypart hard at least every 7-9 days. Beyond that, I'm increasingly convinced that you're not doing a whole lot to facilitate muscle growth...maybe a little here and there, but to really get the ball rolling, you need hard stimulation as often as possible. Doggcrapp's training approach, IMO, is a good way to approach this. You do minimal volume but work very hard, and you provide another stimulus soon enough that it'll force you to keep growing.

Louden, Fatty, and many others have reported on the efficacy of this method's success. I've seen far fewer report consistently great results with Mentzer's post _Heavy Duty pt. I_ workouts, including myself. Even after a moderate cycle, my arms, though a more shapely, have remained soundly stuck at 18" for a looooooong time, even after experiencing some very nice strength gains.



What exactly is this routine? Heavy/low volume more often?
 
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