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Phaded
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how bad do people think it is and would you be unconfortable if you were around people doing it.. i personally think its no worse than marijuana..
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Megalomaniac
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very unconfortable if I didn't get a rail. I think people look at as way beyond exceptable, it is only to be used in the right crowd. That way what they don't know won't hurt them.
KillahBee
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what he said. like any other drug, if you can do it recreationally and it doesn't interfer with anything, than go for it. obviously it is a health risk, but you take that into consideration. from what I have seen (and I think I have seen a lot), most people are fucking retards and their retardedness is further magnified when on coke. but, it's a fun drug with hot chicks. I personally think it's more of a chick drug.
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Phaded
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i have a bunch of friends who have to be high on marijuana throughout the day.. but only do coke when they go to the clubs and shit.. which is maybe like once a week.. which is why i think marijuana is actually worse in a habitual sense.. but i do know exactly what you mean about people not being able to control themselves with cocaine..
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Phaded
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KillahBee said:
i've only seen one chick ever do coke.. its a superman drug..
No worse than pot is nonsense.
Cocaine is more physically addictive than anything, yes even more than nicotine, there is a mountain of scientific evidence behind this including the famous rat experiment with the coke and heroin.
You can smoke pot daily and not get addicted. If you do coke like that, you will get addicted, and it will fuck you up.
Alone among drugs in its class, coke prevents the reuptake of dopamine and deadens the dopamine receptor to things other than coke. it is alone in doing this.
You wanna do it? hey man, your body. But you can;t say the words "pot addict" and "coke addict" the same way.
Cocaine is more physically addictive than anything, yes even more than nicotine, there is a mountain of scientific evidence behind this including the famous rat experiment with the coke and heroin.
You can smoke pot daily and not get addicted. If you do coke like that, you will get addicted, and it will fuck you up.
Alone among drugs in its class, coke prevents the reuptake of dopamine and deadens the dopamine receptor to things other than coke. it is alone in doing this.
You wanna do it? hey man, your body. But you can;t say the words "pot addict" and "coke addict" the same way.
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Phaded
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i think from reading and watching documentarys on herion that would be by far the most addicting
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Phaded
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and meth like slick said 
supersizeme
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lol @ not worse than marijuana
what's it like in your world
what's it like in your world
GoldenDelicious
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i think that it is a terrible drug overall, because the slide down to addiction is VERY slippery, and you slide down a long, long way. I would probably be pretty uncomfortable around people actively using any drug, because of my job. People are very quick to paint pharmacists as drug users as it is, and being around that crowd actively is just asking for people to gossip about you within the industry
the other thing is that due to its expense, the impact of the criminal element around drugs is worse, because you are willing to do nasty things to satisfy your addiction. ever heard of people prostituting themselves for marijuana? not many. for alcohol? not really. for cocaine, amphetamines, morphine etc? many.
so yeah. the people that fall down on that stuff tend to fall hard, which is the main reason i dont like the idea of it
the other thing is that due to its expense, the impact of the criminal element around drugs is worse, because you are willing to do nasty things to satisfy your addiction. ever heard of people prostituting themselves for marijuana? not many. for alcohol? not really. for cocaine, amphetamines, morphine etc? many.
so yeah. the people that fall down on that stuff tend to fall hard, which is the main reason i dont like the idea of it
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Phaded
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i think coke is a more upperclass drug.. prostitution occurs mostly for heroin and crack..
slickdadd said:
Much much more, heroin is a narcotic. Different addictive properties.
Meth does not f--k with the dopamine feedback loop like coke.
Live with a coke addict, tell me it's like pot. Imbecile.
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Phaded
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KillahBee said:
we always have an abundance and would love to share with some hot slutty chicks
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Phaded
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MattTheSkywalker said:
even with all that scientific shit.. an addict can actually die from trying to come off heroin.. i doubt its the same with coke..
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Phaded
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slickdadd said:
beautiful name for it haha..
KillahBee
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MattTheSkywalker said:
lmao. you're right, but I think phaded may have been talking on a lower level, meaning not the "sucking dick for coke" stage. I can't say coke is better then marijuana, but shit, our society doesn't look at alcohol or weed (at least in my age group) as the same way it looks at other drugs yet I have seen both do MAJOR damage, moreso than coke.
marshallmadman
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slickdadd said:
In some ways it can be. There is an increased availability over a lot of other drugs. For women, it can be especially detrimental. They will find themselves doing a lot of things that they wouldn't normally be down for to get it. Around here it's easier to get than pot.
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KillahBee said:
exactly the point of my thread.. people think coke is so harsh for ya.. as did i when i was a young warthog.. but i dont see it as being any worse than marijuana.. maybe healthwise but most my friends are addicted to weed and also do coke.. they have to wake up and smoke.. smoke before they eat.. smoke before bed etc.. with coke its a social thing..
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marshallmadman said:
i'm guessing you live in florida ...
Coke is like Ritalin's big brother. While it is possible to OD on it, it's not as dangerous as its critics say it is. You'd have to be pretty stupid and take a lot to OD on it. It's not a safe drug, and could affect each user differently, but all in all it's just Ritalin with a little extra kick. And numbies.
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Phaded
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numbies .. meth is cokes big brother..
.. meth is cokes big brother..KillahBee said:coke more addictive than nicotine? for real? from what I can remember, coke is not even in the top 5. I know caffeine was head of it. (from what I can remember means from what I learned in 8th grade DARE class
it has to do with the method of adminsitration.
The linings of the lungs are the fastest way to get a substance into the bloodstream. The speed at which a substance hits the brain is related to enhancing its addictive properties. This is why crack is more addictive than powdered cocaine; it hits the blood 25% faster.
Nicotine gets in the same way, so its already addctive properties are enhanced.
Killah, are you taking the word of a textbook publisher? the same people who told you Whitey and the Indians shook hands and ate turkey? mothafucka please. Or is this the DARE cop...the fat donut eating bitch they take off the line and give index cards to....to scare kids off drugs?
Cocaine does this - floods the brain with dopamine. No biggie, so does an orgasm, even chocolate. Difference is, cocaine prevents dopamine reuptake. Brain can;t clean it. You stay high. Feels good, doesn;t it?
OK, so does Ecstasy. But the difference is, coke deadens the sensitivity to anything OTHER THAN coke to achieve dopamine surges. So orgasms and chocolate aren't going to do it anymore...in fact, NOTHING is, except cocaine.
That's why it is so destructive.
outset2
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Don’t touch coke under any circumstances (just trust me on this one), if you choose not to take this advise, you will loose. I have seen many people smoke pot for many years without loosing there lifestyle, job and family and then watched coke take it all away in months. Coke and Pot are very different drugs. If you ignore this advice at least try not to mix it with too much booze as this increases the chance of immediate death (immediate death may be better than long term addiction though). Also don’t share straws to snort it as this can pass Hep C.
DON’T DO IT!!!!!!
DON’T DO IT!!!!!!
GoldenDelicious
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crack is cokePhaded said:
but there are a lot of strippers etc that i know (and know of) that do what they do at least partly due to their choice of drug.
quickest way around here to jump into bed with a stripper is to pull out a bag of coke at 3am and say lets go back to my place and do this.
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Phaded
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GoldenDelicious said:
there is coke in crack but it is def not the same thing.. cocaine cooked with baking soda etc.. etc.. etc.. = crack.. the highs are completely different.. and the comedowns are completely different..
IwouldSlamU
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i have done my fair share of coke.......last time was nov/04 in vegas. i really dont want to ever do it again. i have a VERY good young wealty friend that does too much,then it leads to bad people like his GF is really hot but a total head case.....i hope is makes it out ok........................................
Phaded said:
it is different because of the method of administration.
The surface of the lungs are much more effective at getting large quantities of the drug into the bloodstream faster than the nasal cavity.
Hence the perceived differences.
The chemcial action on the brain is the same.
Speaking of brains, use yours bor. When was the last time you got high on baking soda. What the fuck does that do?
Just breaking balls. Crack is coke, chemically the same to the brain.
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coke is coke.. crack is coke/baking soda .. dr skywalker
hanselthecaretaker said:
isnt there really no clear cut dosage/kg that has been indicated in adverse experiences?
Phaded said:
They are chemically treated the same by the dopamine receptors in the brain.
Dopamine receptors don't react to baking soda.
Is that clear enough?
GoldenDelicious
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it isnt just the administration - cut a long story short, when you boil cocaine with sodum bicarbonate, the resultant molecule (still cocaine, it hasnt changed much at all) can soak across the blood brain barrier much better than the original form - meaning that for the same dose of cocaine, more make it to the area of the brain where it exerts its effect.MattTheSkywalker said:
all the dynamics change as well - the amount that soaks into blood, equilibrium between blood and the receptors in the brain etc etc.
think of it as a beer drinker versus a shot drinker. beer gets into the body slowly, and so you gradually get drunk, while shots, being more concentrated, get across the gut membrane MUCH faster, and so the effect you feel is different. just think of the gut membrane as the blood brain barrier and its the same sort of thing - changes in how fast the drug gets where it needs to be changing the whole effect.
MattTheSkywalker said:
i cant believe that golden delicious isnt all over this one.
GoldenDelicious
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too slow, little fishiejuicedpigtails said:
Nicotine gets in the same way, so its already addctive properties are enhanced.
Killah, are you taking the word of a textbook publisher? are you going to tell me when i disagree with you I shouldnt trust a textbook either? my neuro development and pathology prof wrote part of our book.
OK, so does Ecstasy. But the difference is, coke deadens the sensitivity to anything OTHER THAN coke to achieve dopamine surges.
what in the heck are you talking about?
Killah, are you taking the word of a textbook publisher? are you going to tell me when i disagree with you I shouldnt trust a textbook either? my neuro development and pathology prof wrote part of our book.
OK, so does Ecstasy. But the difference is, coke deadens the sensitivity to anything OTHER THAN coke to achieve dopamine surges.
what in the heck are you talking about?
hahahaahaha. saved me the typingGoldenDelicious said:too slow, little fishie
juicedpigtails said:
lol jambalaya. nah dude, i was actually asking what you were referring to. if yorue saying the impact is lessened, i totally agree and think youre right(think threshold). it sounded to me like you were suggesting another mechanism i wasnt aware of existing. no worries.MattTheSkywalker said:
im reading a book on computer networks. teach yourself TCP/IP in 14 days, second edition
im not trying to step on GD's toes or anything but i think he was emphasizing how neat it is that something like ''crack'' can cross the BBB with relative ease compared to most things (read impossible, almost). (thank god more things cant cross)
juicedpigtails said:lol jambalaya. nah dude, i was actually asking what you were referring to. if yorue saying the impact is lessened, i totally agree and think youre right(think threshold). it sounded to me like you were suggesting another mechanism i wasnt aware of existing. no worries.
im reading a book on computer networks. teach yourself TCP/IP in 14 days, second edition
im not trying to step on GD's toes or anything but i think he was emphasizing how neat it is that something like ''crack'' can cross the BBB with relative ease compared to most things (read impossible, almost). (thank god more things cant cross)
cool bor.
I could teach you TCP/IP in 14 mins.
But I don't miss that line of work.
MattTheSkywalker said:cool bor.
I could teach you TCP/IP in 14 mins.
But I don't miss that line of work.
the most worthwhile part of the book so far has been the concise listing of acronyms which ive been missing. I'm no CIS degree graduate, but have a general idea from having dealt with many hospital's fly by night ''network guy'' messing up.
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manny78 said:
what exactly do you consider an addiction..
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BrothaBill
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Coke constricts the coronary arteries and interrupts the electrical process of the heart even at low doses as studied when used in nasal surgery. Puts you at risk for a heart attack usually an arrythmia as the muscle downstream from the narrowed arteries becomes irritated by reduced blood flow. So if a person has preexisting plaques in the artery and we all do to some extent, then it just makes it more likely for an adverse event. coke is a young persons drug, if you do it past age 30 your taking a risk. Ken caminiti just died from a heart attack as listed it was cocaine mixed with cardiovascular disease.
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Phaded
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you people like using google..
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BrothaBill
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No phaded its my profession
Best ain't drug ad everMattTheSkywalker said:
Razorguns
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Like pretty much everyone else here has alluded to...:
Cocaine is a cool trip -- as long as you don't get addicted. Then the side effects pretty much take over your life.
Cocaine is also the #1 EASIEST way to bang the hottest broads in Hollywood. Who needs rufies?
Oh and it's also the #1 EASIEST way to lose weight. Ask Anna Nicole Smith. TrimSpa MY ASS!
I love coke as a cool rec. drug sometimes. But pretty much like everything else "cool" in life -- excess can and will be destructive to you. It's a common theme in life i've noticed.
As for all the medical hows and whys -- i think MTS covered that well.
Cocaine is a cool trip -- as long as you don't get addicted. Then the side effects pretty much take over your life.
Cocaine is also the #1 EASIEST way to bang the hottest broads in Hollywood. Who needs rufies?
Oh and it's also the #1 EASIEST way to lose weight. Ask Anna Nicole Smith. TrimSpa MY ASS!
I love coke as a cool rec. drug sometimes. But pretty much like everything else "cool" in life -- excess can and will be destructive to you. It's a common theme in life i've noticed.
As for all the medical hows and whys -- i think MTS covered that well.
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To each his own
GoldenDelicious
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not really. some people try using other drugs on the comedown, but then have to take something else when they start coming off that...so really, youre screwed.Trickie said:
KillahBee
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As many others have said here, it all has to do with the person. I don't think it's fair, in all cases, to say that "coke ruined my friend's life" or something to that effect. maybe your friend was just an asshole and that his/her assholeness ruined their lives - the coke just added to it. What I am saying is that, in my experience, if I look at all the people I know who have done blow and had it fuck their lives up in some manner vs. all the people who have done blow and had it not affect them in any major way, for the most part, I see one major difference. Those who let it fuck their lives up either already had fucked up lives, were on that path, or were just fucking weak individuals that were not smart enough/strong enough to use a drug recreationally. I don't know or give a shit about what fucking lever a rat pulled. All I know is that I have done a lot of drugs in my day and very frequently and never once was addicted or had it negatively affect me (other than alcohol - funny how nobody ever talks about that...). Maybe I am just lucky, but I like to think that I am stronger than the drug and smart enough to know how to listen to my body/brain and stop when it's time. Not saying I am Superman and am oblivious to addiction, but no drug ever fucked up my life - so how's that for an experiment?
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BrothaBill
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Denial, bargaining, rationalization...
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Nope
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No problem
GoldenDelicious
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he's talking about common junkie behaviour, and how your post does rather fit in with the pattern of response a drug abuser uses to explain their behaviour. except that you already knew that, and were spoiling for a fightKillahBee said:
most drug abusers understand the psychology of drug abuse, which is interesting
you know, this beer has put me in the mood to go out
ill update you bors if things go really well, or really badly seeyous
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BrothaBill
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GoldenDelicious said:he's talking about common junkie behaviour, and how your post does rather fit in with the pattern of response a drug abuser uses to explain their behaviour. except that you already knew that, and were spoiling for a fight
most drug abusers understand the psychology of drug abuse, which is interesting
you know, this beer has put me in the mood to go out
seeyous
KillahBee
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GoldenDelicious said:he's talking about common junkie behaviour, and how your post does rather fit in with the pattern of response a drug abuser uses to explain their behaviour. except that you already knew that, and were spoiling for a fight
most drug abusers understand the psychology of drug abuse, which is interesting
you know, this beer has put me in the mood to go out
seeyous
yes, and my point is that that type of thinking is extremely ignorant and is basically the same thing as saying such blanket statements as "all black people are stupid" or something to that effect. If you honestly believe that people can't take drugs recreationally, then you live in a very sheltered world.
MattTheSkywalker said:
Matt is right. Coke is an evil evil drug. I would have a cigarette boat if it wasn't for that crap. Don't mess with it. It is not worth it. TRUST ME ON THIS!!! Plus it makes ya skinny and screws up your muscle mass. Seems kinda stupid for anybody on a fitness board to do it. Weed at least makes ya eat which is good for building muscle.
I have dabbled in weed, meth, coke, e, psychedelics, but never heroin.
The most enjoyable drugs were the most addictive to me. My favorites have been meth and weed, in that order. I have tried cigarettes, but I never actually found them to be terrible addictive. There is no reliable "Addictometer" that I have heard of, but this table is pretty close in my opinion:
There is a lot of misinformation and misinformed ideology in all positions of the drug debate. All of you "I'll just take an upper in the morning, a bong hit in the afternoon and a downer in the evening" people need to reallize what that mindset could mean for your life. Take a step back and reallize that even if you are high, it won't make up for relatively poor health or a general lack of accomplishments down the road. Don't tell me that a drug "lifestyle" won't negatively affect your judgement in that sense.
In research on rats, it has been demonstrated that rats in higher social positions are less likely to become addicted to cocaine. Likewise, it is surprisingly accurate to separate society into a gradient between those that are successful and those that are degenerates. Certain drugs are very addictive and their marketing (and tariff schedules enforced by death and incarceration) contribute to quite a lot of pain - irrespective of whether drugs should be prohibited or not. Dabble in drugs if you dare, but don't stick your head in your ass regarding their overall effects.
Also, from what I have read cocaine causes "less" brain damage than methamphetamine. The jury is still out on that I guess.
The most enjoyable drugs were the most addictive to me. My favorites have been meth and weed, in that order. I have tried cigarettes, but I never actually found them to be terrible addictive. There is no reliable "Addictometer" that I have heard of, but this table is pretty close in my opinion:
There is a lot of misinformation and misinformed ideology in all positions of the drug debate. All of you "I'll just take an upper in the morning, a bong hit in the afternoon and a downer in the evening" people need to reallize what that mindset could mean for your life. Take a step back and reallize that even if you are high, it won't make up for relatively poor health or a general lack of accomplishments down the road. Don't tell me that a drug "lifestyle" won't negatively affect your judgement in that sense.
In research on rats, it has been demonstrated that rats in higher social positions are less likely to become addicted to cocaine. Likewise, it is surprisingly accurate to separate society into a gradient between those that are successful and those that are degenerates. Certain drugs are very addictive and their marketing (and tariff schedules enforced by death and incarceration) contribute to quite a lot of pain - irrespective of whether drugs should be prohibited or not. Dabble in drugs if you dare, but don't stick your head in your ass regarding their overall effects.
Also, from what I have read cocaine causes "less" brain damage than methamphetamine. The jury is still out on that I guess.
KillahBee
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curling said:
I mean that you said coke was a horrible drug and it's not worth it. What you should have said was, "it's not worth it to me". As I have said, I have done many drugs and I think they were all worth it. I am a very successful, very healthy, very happy, very intelligent person. Therefore, your statement is false, for me.
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Phaded
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coke comedown take a xanax or two you'll be hungover in the morning but i'd rather have that then have to comedown from coke..
coke is not a horrible drug.. you guys who are knocking it haven't experienced it or you have addict friends..
coke is not a horrible drug.. you guys who are knocking it haven't experienced it or you have addict friends..
KillahBee
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curling said:
Hey look, I would never suggest anyone do any drug, so that I agree with you on. But I cannot buy this false image of drug addiction that everyone (and usually the ones with no experience....) puts out there. I AM A LIVING, BREATHING EXAMPLE. Argue with that. I did A LOT and in a short period of time. I have seen a lot of people do less than me and "get addicted". I firmly believe that it has a lot to do with one's personality, inner strength, and their ability to control cravings/actions.
Ok let me chime in here:
First, I studies drugs of all sorts for a year in the academic environment. I was a bio-psychology major and am fairly familiar with the action of drugs on the brain, neurotransmitters, downregulation of receptors, decreased reuptake, etc.
Also, I've used quite a bit of things recreationally. I've never had any sort of "drug" problem. Meaning, I've never missed work because I was high, I never failed out of school, I haven't sold my car for drugs, etc.
Cocaine is like any other drug. It is ok for some, and terrible for a select few. Just like alcohol, pot, or even porn. Most people can use it for fun on a limited basis, but some people get compulsive with it and can't control themselves.
There is a physical part of addiction to cocaine. There isn't much of one with pot or porn of course. But the physical part is like that of any opiate or even alcohol. Obviously method of delivery matters as well as frequency of use.
So bottom line without getting too wordy. If you are interested in it, I'd say try it out, but don't buy a lot, and know that once the party is over, its over. Maybe you get a craving or an urge to do it again soon, just resist it. Tell your friends about it so they can support you. (This doesn't work if you hang out with coke-head friends).
If you have had a problem with alcohol or any other drug, I'd say stay the FUCK away. Just like I'd tell a pedophile to never look at porn. But if you are like the vast majority of the population, you could likely use coke, have a good time, and never be addicted. Its very rare to use it once and get hooked. People who get hooked usually binge on it, and do it for so long that the idea of coming down sucks so bad they just keep doing it and doing it.
So what to expect? not much.
You get a 20-30 minute high. Pretty fun and intense. It affects people differently. Some people get really chatty, others very confident, sometimes both. You get a sense that all is right with the world and you could accomplis ANYTHING in that moment.
After that you get 30 mins or so up a less intense type of high, its wearing off, but you aren't totally sober.
Then its done. If you just did one or two lines, the come down isn't rough. A little jitters or anxiety.. but you can deal.
Where you get the bad crash is where you hit a line, then another 30 mins later, then another.. and so on for the entire night, or entire weekend. When you finally stop, you can expect a good 4-12 hours of a pretty bad come down. Your body will be exhausted yet your brain wont calm down enough to sleep. All you will want to do is sleep but you wont be able to. It will pass, but it sucks while you are in it.
So right when you snort your first line, you will feel it within 30seconds to a minute. Your nose and part of your face will go numb including your teeth. The more you do the more numb your face will be. You will get a "drip".. the back of your through will get a nasty bitter tasting post nasal drip.. some people like it because they associate it with the high, but it tastes bad and is annoying. From then you are off an running with your high.
Personally, the high is great, but too short for me and the come down sucks.
I prefer opiates (narcotics) myself. better high, less of a come down (unless you are a habitual user).
First, I studies drugs of all sorts for a year in the academic environment. I was a bio-psychology major and am fairly familiar with the action of drugs on the brain, neurotransmitters, downregulation of receptors, decreased reuptake, etc.
Also, I've used quite a bit of things recreationally. I've never had any sort of "drug" problem. Meaning, I've never missed work because I was high, I never failed out of school, I haven't sold my car for drugs, etc.
Cocaine is like any other drug. It is ok for some, and terrible for a select few. Just like alcohol, pot, or even porn. Most people can use it for fun on a limited basis, but some people get compulsive with it and can't control themselves.
There is a physical part of addiction to cocaine. There isn't much of one with pot or porn of course. But the physical part is like that of any opiate or even alcohol. Obviously method of delivery matters as well as frequency of use.
So bottom line without getting too wordy. If you are interested in it, I'd say try it out, but don't buy a lot, and know that once the party is over, its over. Maybe you get a craving or an urge to do it again soon, just resist it. Tell your friends about it so they can support you. (This doesn't work if you hang out with coke-head friends).
If you have had a problem with alcohol or any other drug, I'd say stay the FUCK away. Just like I'd tell a pedophile to never look at porn. But if you are like the vast majority of the population, you could likely use coke, have a good time, and never be addicted. Its very rare to use it once and get hooked. People who get hooked usually binge on it, and do it for so long that the idea of coming down sucks so bad they just keep doing it and doing it.
So what to expect? not much.
You get a 20-30 minute high. Pretty fun and intense. It affects people differently. Some people get really chatty, others very confident, sometimes both. You get a sense that all is right with the world and you could accomplis ANYTHING in that moment.
After that you get 30 mins or so up a less intense type of high, its wearing off, but you aren't totally sober.
Then its done. If you just did one or two lines, the come down isn't rough. A little jitters or anxiety.. but you can deal.
Where you get the bad crash is where you hit a line, then another 30 mins later, then another.. and so on for the entire night, or entire weekend. When you finally stop, you can expect a good 4-12 hours of a pretty bad come down. Your body will be exhausted yet your brain wont calm down enough to sleep. All you will want to do is sleep but you wont be able to. It will pass, but it sucks while you are in it.
So right when you snort your first line, you will feel it within 30seconds to a minute. Your nose and part of your face will go numb including your teeth. The more you do the more numb your face will be. You will get a "drip".. the back of your through will get a nasty bitter tasting post nasal drip.. some people like it because they associate it with the high, but it tastes bad and is annoying. From then you are off an running with your high.
Personally, the high is great, but too short for me and the come down sucks.
I prefer opiates (narcotics) myself. better high, less of a come down (unless you are a habitual user).
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Phaded
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nicely said lestat.. it also depends how good the coke is how long it will last and how big the line is.. some people sell novacaine as coke..
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Phaded
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nicely said lestat.. it also depends how good the coke is how long it will last and how big the line is.. some people sell novacaine as coke.. smell always plays a huge roll and the feel of coke on how good it is.. putting some on your tongue to see if it will get very numb isn't a very good way to test the potentcy because the shitheads usually cut it with a numbing agent so you'll think its better..
Melting vaporizing then inhaling methamphetamine hcl or freebase cocaine is what we're talking about. It gets into the brain more rapidly that way than via any other route, even IV. Thats probably why its such a rush, yet lacking in the overpowering sustained rush people get by taking the IV route.
spongebob
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Mastardo said:
taking drugs IV is the fastest. period!
if you smoke anything it gets into the bloodstream thru your lung linings. from thier it travels to the brain. and then crosses the blood brain barrier. that is one step more than IV.
that is the route. so it makes 100% sense that the shortest route to the blood is in the BLOOD. IV.
i have never shot drugs, but ive smoked coke, crack and meth. the rush is not as immediate. it is usually 15 to 20 seconds after the hit.
IV users get the rush almost immediately, thats why you see IV junkies with the needle still in thier arm.
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never get pnoid
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MattTheSkywalker said:
i believe if you smoke pot daily you usually are addicted.
i will say this without getting into my believe on the addiction too much here. from the time i was 11 or 12 i have been around drugs.
if i look at all the people i have ever known that have done rec drugs, this is a general observation.
more pot smokers still smoke pot than the cocaine users i have known. by a large percentage. most pot smokers i have known smoke daily 2 to 3 times.
most cocaine users i have known used median to somewhat heavy usage. they have either quit or just use very little.
spongebob
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MattTheSkywalker said:
not sure about the dopamine feedback look, but strictly from experience i would say your on to something.
example. i along with people i have partied with all exhibit the same comedown with coke.
you party all night and at the end of the night when the shit runs out and thier is absolutely no chance of getting anymore, you can literally see the immediate crash on peoples faces. they panic and exhaust all measures of getting anymore. they are immediately depressed.
not the same with E, meth, alcohol, etc. from what i have observed.
as far as the dopamine feed back loop causing stronger addiction, im not sure, i believe there are too many other factors involved. there has to be something within each individual or groups of individuals. some people may not have a negative response to the fact that coke encourages your dopamine system to only want coke for the release.
spongebob
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MattTheSkywalker said:
if crack is coke and coke is crack, and the brain treats them the same, then i would say that the method of administration may be the difference in the entensity of the high but not neccesarliy the addictive properties physically. probaly pshycologically.
in other words, the high is intense but it is shorter lived that snorting. so you have to do more to stay at baseline.
WRONG.spongebob said:
http://science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih2/addiction/images/guide/fig3.6.gif
http://science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih2/addiction/guide/lesson3-1.htm
"A drug that is inhaled (smoked) reaches the brain very quickly. The inhaled drugs go directly from the lungs into the left side of the heart, where they enter the arterial circulation that carries them to the brain. Marijuana and nicotine are examples of drugs that are commonly taken into the body by inhalation (smoking). The intensity of the effect of inhaled drugs may be slightly less than that for injected drugs because less of the drug is taken into the body; some of the drug will be exhaled with the rest of the components of the smoke. A drug that is injected intravenously also travels quickly to the brain, where it can exert its effects. The rapid passage of injected heroin, for example, brings a high risk of overdose."
15 to 20 seconds to feel a hit of inhaled meth? Try 2 seconds. IV rushes are more overpowering once they hit you from what I have heard (and seen, although not with heroin so none of them passed out), but not as immediate and not as steep or choppy.
