^^^this. And i agree with banning clen discussion. It's an "oh shit i forgot my show was in may and i went out to an easter bachelor party and had too much new orleans booze and cajun." It's not for normal people. Many bodybuilders have died from clen. It's easy to OD on and can rape your heart. I did it once and I had CNS impulses that were insane... That was a conservative cycle. Never again.