Circumcision - a serious discussion

[BrothaBill]

well the thing about tx is everyone remembers the bad shit. lol.

your right its huge. everything is here. flat land, hill country, rivers to ride, the gulf of mexico, well i live in a shithole.lol. but i can drive. but i dont go anywhere to often. if i did i would go to cool places.

Thats one thing I heard about Texans is that they love to drive it or it doesnt bother them. They can hop in a pickup and drive a few hundred miles to go fishing.
Hmm, arent you hungry yet? I am, lets get something to eat

OK

See ya in a bit

Ok later

later

 

[scriptfactory]

Best thread in a while.

Oh, and is Sokluless a dude?

 

[Mr. dB]

Cos I think that it's terrible that folks who love to talk down to other nations/cultures about the way they treat women/animals do this to their own sons. When the medical grounds were shown to be rubbish , it's now moved onto aesthetics. I guess most of all I think it's completely obvious that no-one should take away the sexual integrity of another without their consent.

Don't forget the stupidest reason of all "so my son will look like me". What if the father was missing an eye, or a leg? They gonna whack up the baby then? So why punish the baby because the father has mutillated genitalia?

 

[Mr. dB]

dude everyone in this thread who wasnt circumcised is looking for justification.

admit it. you wish u were missing that little turkey gullet.

You got that backwards. All you mutillated guys are in denial over your damaged weenies.

 

[spongebob]

Thats one thing I heard about Texans is that they love to drive it or it doesnt bother them. They can hop in a pickup and drive a few hundred miles to go fishing.
Hmm, arent you hungry yet? I am, lets get something to eat

OK

See ya in a bit

Ok later

later

i dont mind driving, i drove from san fran to houston. i drove to virginia a couple of times. to florida an back. i like driving.

yea im hungry, where do you wanna eat?

 

[spongebob]

Don't forget the stupidest reason of all "so my son will look like me". What if the father was missing an eye, or a leg? They gonna whack up the baby then? So why punish the baby because the father has mutillated genitalia?

all this penis talk has made you delirious.

 

[Mr. dB]

out of all the people ive known in my life, i have never met one person that has had one problem.thats real world baby.

Who's gonna admit their peepee is fucked up?

Tell you what -- every time you use lube to masturbate, you're admitting that your penis was damaged by circumcision. Rubbing your drum-tight erection raw is the result of the missing skin.

 

[spongebob]

Who's gonna admit their peepee is fucked up?

Tell you what -- every time you use lube to masturbate, you're admitting that your penis was damaged by circumcision. Rubbing your drum-tight erection raw is the result of the missing skin.

dont use lube.

 

[Mr. dB]

I've never licked smegma before. Let me know how it tastes, will ya'?

You don't eat pussy? That's your loss.

 

[Mr. dB]

lamo! this is the best thread ever. guys fighting over thier penis'

Why not? It's our most prized possession.

 

[DIVISION]

Best thread in a while.

Oh, and is Sokluless a dude?

I've seen pics of Soklue.........I wish to never again see pics of Soklue....



DIV

 

[SoKlueles]

Thats one thing I heard about Texans is that they love to drive it or it doesnt bother them. They can hop in a pickup and drive a few hundred miles to go fishing.
Hmm, arent you hungry yet? I am, lets get something to eat

OK

See ya in a bit

Ok later

later

no im not a dude wold a dude ask for penis pics? dang

 

[Mr. dB]

The clitorus is described by most as a evolutional redundant penis

If you call fetal development in the womb "evolutional" then I suppose that could be right. The clitoris and the penis are derived from the same structure. Placental mammalian embryos of both genders start out with the same proto-gonads, sexual differentiation does not occur until a few weeks, at which time the presence of estrogen or testosterone causes those proto-gonads to develop into either female or male genitals. A clitoris is nothing more than an un-developed penis that has not fused with the urethra. The scrotum and the labia are also analogous structures.

 

[scriptfactory]

no im not a dude wold a dude ask for penis pics? dang

I'm sure I don't have to answer that question.

Dang.

 

[DIVISION]

If you call fetal development in the womb "evolutional" then I suppose that could be right. The clitoris and the penis are derived from the same structure. Placental mammalian embryos of both genders start out with the same proto-gonads, sexual differentiation does not occur until a few weeks, at which time the presence of estrogen or testosterone causes those proto-gonads to develop into either female or male genitals. A clitoris is nothing more than an un-developed penis that has not fused with the urethra. The scrotum and the labia are also analogous structures.

Decibel waxes Human Sexual Development.

Props.

Clyde just took a dump on the carpet.....




DIV

 

[Dunk]

If you call fetal development in the womb "evolutional" then I suppose that could be right. The clitoris and the penis are derived from the same structure. Placental mammalian embryos of both genders start out with the same proto-gonads, sexual differentiation does not occur until a few weeks, at which time the presence of estrogen or testosterone causes those proto-gonads to develop into either female or male genitals. A clitoris is nothing more than an un-developed penis that has not fused with the urethra. The scrotum and the labia are also analogous structures.

dude. how can i munch a box after u said that?

next time i lick a labia all im gonna be thinking about is lickin nutsack

 

[SoKlueles]

You guessed it, Scriptfactory was my alter here on this thread LOL

no shit??????
lol i totally agreed with u goobermunch

 

[DIVISION]

dude. how can i munch a box after u said that?

next time i lick a labia all im gonna be thinking about is lickin nutsack

He's right, Dunk -or- Die.....

It's all the same flesh.......belonging to two different sexes.

S'all about that human gene pool, nugga.






DIV

 

[jerseyart]

I've seen pics of Soklue.........I wish to never again see pics of Soklue....



DIV

Who gives a fuck what you think.

Ive seen posts by wannabe gangtsah internet bitches. But I dont go around pointing out your deficiencies


Oh wait, yes I do

 

[SoKlueles]

Who gives a fuck what you think.

Ive seen posts by wannabe gangtsah internet bitches. But I dont go around pointing out your deficiencies


Oh wait, yes I do

LOL division has seen pics of me??? i soooooo doubt hes seen pics of me. DIVISION yes i have you on ignore and your staying that way so stop trying to be a turd..........


oh im sorry......you cant help it

 

[Mr. dB]

Decibel waxes Human Sexual Development.

Props.

Clyde just took a dump on the carpet.....

I don't have carpet. And in 10 1/2 years, Clyde has never had an "accident." I used to think he was spraying my pile of dirty laundry, but after Alice died from kidney failure, the spraying stopped. Just another of the many early warning signs that I missed.

 

[Mr. dB]

dude. how can i munch a box after u said that?

next time i lick a labia all im gonna be thinking about is lickin nutsack

Then by all means don't lick her bean either.

And don't fondle her breasts or lick her nipples, men have nipples too.

I won't even start with anal...

 

[Smurfy]

I, like most men in the US, am circumcised.

I wish I wasn't. I wish I was left the way nature made me. With all my nerve endings in tact.

I think circumcision should be banned actually. Its a choice the child has no say in. It used to be done for religious reasons, then for cultural reasons, and its just plain wrong in my opinion.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Can anyone give any GOOD reasons to circumcise a boy?

Hygeine? Guess what, we have soap and can wash.
Looks? What a stupid fucking reason to cut off part of a person's penis. Are we that shallow?
Urinary tract infections? Circumcision reduces that risk by less then 1%

I just don't get it. Most of the entire world doesn't do this. In Canada less then 20% of males get circumcised...

We are adamantly against female circumcision, we call it mutilation, why do it to guys?

I don't blame my parents, they just did what they felt was right, but I really wish they would have made a different decision.

Ive seen your penis.

 

[Lestat]

Ive seen your penis.

What did you think?

 

[SoKlueles]

hasnt everyone seen lestats penis?

 

[DIVISION]

Then by all means don't lick her bean either.

And don't fondle her breasts or lick her nipples, men have nipples too.

I won't even start with anal...

Decibel........DO NOT LEAVE OUT ANAL!

That's the ultimate deep satisfying experience.

For cats and humans alike.




DIV

 

[Lestat]

Decibel........DO NOT LEAVE OUT ANAL!

That's the ultimate deep satisfying experience.

For cats and humans alike.




DIV

do you like receiving as much as giving?

 

[Mr. dB]

Decibel........DO NOT LEAVE OUT ANAL!

That's the ultimate deep satisfying experience.

For cats and humans alike.

I was just trying to rattle Dunk. After all, both women AND MEN have rectums.

 

[SoKlueles]

do you like receiving as much as giving?

prob not

 

[Smurfy]

What did you think?

purdy

 

[Lestat]

purdy

 

[Beachbum1546]

i read the first 8 pages btu after that i got bored. i'll add my two cents.

hooded= dirty dick. oh for fucks sakes this is sooo wrong. i never get any smell or gooey build up EVER on my dick. you cir'ed guys think that in 6 hours we're gonna have some nickelodeon gak all over our knobs. i remember i went camping and i didnt take a shower for two days and downstairs it was still fresh as a daisy. So all you guys using that as an argument can just stop, you're wrong.

hooded=ugly. hello, a hooded dick erect has the skin pulled back behind the head!! so, when erect there is no difference at all. the only time there is a difference in when soft. so all you cir'ed guys can feel so good about yourselves when you're walking around the locker room naked checking out everyone else's schlong. fags.

 

[DIVISION]

do you like receiving as much as giving?

No idea, holmes.

Never contemplated playing for the other team.

I'm strictly a giver....

You?





DIV

 

[Lestat]

No idea, holmes.

Never contemplated playing for the other team.

I'm strictly a giver....

You?





DIV

never received here, so I wouldn't know what that's all about

 

[DIVISION]

I was just trying to rattle Dunk. After all, both women AND MEN have rectums.

Rim Rattling Dunk is not easy.........he's tough.



DIV

 

[spongebob]

you started this whole thread just to get her answer.

 

[KIAN]

There are only 3 reasons to perform a circumcision:

1 - Medical

A condition called phimosis were the foreskin is unable to retract back and can lead to hygiene problems and painful erections later in life. A full circumcision is not always necessary in this case though. One of my friends had this condition and was circumcised at 14.

2 - Religious
3 - Cosmetic

My girlfriend and I have discussed this as we are expecting our first child later this year and are leaning towards leaving him intact (if a boy naturally) and then letting him have the option of getting circumcised later when he turns five or a bit older. As long as he will understand what the procedure involves and the reasons why it is performed, we are comfortable and confident he will be able to make a decision. As to it being a painful procedure, that is not so at a later age as anaesthetic injections are used to deaden the area ... something which is not used on newborns.

In the UK it is not a common procedure and I think there were only about 4 other guys throughout my entire schooling who were circumcised like myself. I didn't have a say in the matter in my case but I am cool with the outcome. I do remember getting alot of looks in the showers and friendly wind-ups about it but it was just part of growing up.

 

[Lestat]

you started this whole thread just to get her answer.

it paid off big time

 

[Raina]

The guys here seem way more into penis talk than the ladies.

If I had a son I'd lean towards leaving him alone. I mean if he had wings or a tail I'd get I'd want them removed, but a little extra skin isn't an issue IMO.

 

[spongebob]

The guys here seem way more into penis talk than the ladies.

If I had a son I'd lean towards leaving him alone. I mean if he had wings or a tail I'd get I'd want them removed, but a little extra skin isn't an issue IMO.

what if he had six toes?

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

you people ever watch a infant circumcision video? You want to?
I have...IT'S FUCKING BARBARIC!!!
It's not fast either. The video was about 40 minutes long. I've never heard screams like that....

 

[spongebob]

you people ever watch a infant circumcision video? You want to?
I have...IT'S FUCKING BARBARIC!!!
It's not fast either. The video was about 40 minutes long. I've never heard screams like that....

i can put mad faces in here to.

and take this

and this



now stfu with the over dramatic barbric shit. my parents are not barbaric.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

i can put mad faces in here to.

and take this

and this



now stfu with the over dramatic barbric shit. my parents are not barbaric.

Not over dramatic. It's what is it. Your parents aren't barbaric, they are sheep , like mine.
unnecessary surgery on infant peni without anesthetic = BARBARIC.

 

[spongebob]

Not over dramatic. It's what is it. Your parents aren't barbaric, they are sheep , like mine.
unnecessary surgery on infant peni without anesthetic = BARBARIC.

your lucky i just recently gave you karma, enough with the barbaric and sheep comments. you dont know me or my parents. understand.

 

[Raina]

what if he had six toes?

As long as it wasn't going to interfere with his walking ability, oh well. That would be a call made on function. He could always lop it off later if it was an issue to him.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

your lucky i just recently gave you karma, enough with the barbaric and sheep comments. you dont know me or my parents. understand.

Lucky? Like I'm scared of red karma . Nugga please...
I'm not dissin' your parent you dolt. I'm saying your parents prolly didn't measure the reasons to have a infant circumision and did when every other American did then (like mine also). I'm saying it's a stupid, painfull, and BARBARIC tradition to keep boys from jerking off.

 

[spongebob]

Lucky? Like I'm scared of red karma . Nugga please...
I'm not dissin' your parent you dolt. I'm saying your parents prolly didn't measure the reasons to have a infant circumision and did when every other American did then (like mine also). I'm saying it's a stupid, painfull, and BARBARIC tradition to keep boys from jerking off.

your assumptions make a nice pile of dogpoop. hows that.

 

[Mr. dB]

The guys here seem way more into penis talk than the ladies.

If I had a son I'd lean towards leaving him alone. I mean if he had wings or a tail I'd get I'd want them removed, but a little extra skin isn't an issue IMO.

Exactly. It's not a birth defect.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

your assumptions make a nice pile of dogpoop. hows that.

LOL. If I'm wrong, say it...but I think I'm spot on.

 

[Mr. dB]

your assumptions make a nice pile of dogpoop. hows that.

Whoah, defensive, aren't we?

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

Whoah, defensive, aren't we?

He makes it appear that I'm attacking his parents, to form a personal attack melee, therefore, avoiding my argument....primitive

 

[CrazyK]

Uncut=Gross.

 

[spongebob]

LOL. If I'm wrong, say it...but I think I'm spot on.

spot on....is that the latest EF lingo? i really do need to keep up.


"I'm saying your parents prolly didn't measure the reasons to have a infant circumision and did when every other American did then (like mine also). I'm saying it's a stupid, painfull, and BARBARIC tradition to keep boys from jerking off."

they made a decision based on thier beliefs. the comment about sheep implies no individual judgement and decision making on thier own. to leave it uncut can be viewed just the same using your logic. because there is no proof that either way is best. just preference. type barbaric in size 10 color purple for all i care, its not barbaric.

besides the sheep coment is so arrogant and played out its not even funny.

 

[spongebob]

Whoah, defensive, aren't we?

ofcourse its not your post.

 

[spongebob]

He makes it appear that I'm attacking his parents, to form a personal attack melee, therefore, avoiding my argument....primitive

first its sheep and barbaric, then im primitive. no personal attacks uh? lol. what arguement, keep your nose away from my cock. its none of your damn business what has been done to my cock. why are you so concerned? really. why would you complain while im happy about it?

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

they made a decision based on thier beliefs.

I'm happy your parents weren't like the others and went with the flock.
What are these beliefs? You jewish?

 

[spongebob]

I'm happy your parents weren't like the others and went with the flock.
What are these beliefs? You jewish?

ones believes does not neccesarrly imply religion.

no need to carry on, you obviously feel anyone who doesnt hold your opinions are sheep and part of the flock.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

what arguement, keep your nose away from my cock. its none of your damn business what has been done to my cock. why are you so concerned? really. why would you complain while im happy about it?

I'm happy that you're happy. Some of us are not, as are expressed in this thread. Personally, I could care less if you cut you dick off completely, my point is it's done painfully, to infant boys, without their choice.
We should/should have had a choice. It's not necessary unless rare complications occure.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

ones believes does not neccesarrly imply religion.

no need to carry on, you obviously feel anyone who doesnt hold your opinions are sheep and part of the flock.

The word 'believes' can absolutely imply religion.....
I will admit, I am biased.
If your argument is valid, lets hear it. Why do you think it should be done?

 

[spongebob]

I'm happy that you're happy. Some of us are not, as are expressed in this thread. Personally, I could care less if you cut you dick off completely, my point is it's done painfully, to infant boys, without their choice.
We should/should have had a choice. It's not necessary unless rare complications occure.

i disagree, it was my parents choice. and i didnt feel a thing. are you suggesting that it has traumatized someone to the point of having any affect on them?

im damn glad i had it done and damn glad it was when i wouldnt remember it.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

i disagree, it was my parents choice. and i didnt feel a thing. are you suggesting that it has traumatized someone to the point of having any affect on them?

im damn glad i had it done and damn glad it was when i wouldnt remember it.

Oh, you felt it. It was the worst hour of your life, but alas, you would not remember it years later.
Studies shown that it is traumatic to infants; effecting heart beats, breathing, and sleep for weeks later.
If you think it the good outweighs the bad, then good for you.
I believe we should have a choice. If the surgery had more merit besides traditional and cosmetic, I could rethink the idea, but it is wrong.
The number of circ's in the US is falling. It's being fazed out, worldwide, some places banned.
You're grandson or greatgrandson will be natural...The way he was ment to be.

 

[spongebob]

The word 'believes' can absolutely imply religion.....
I will admit, I am biased.
If your argument is valid, lets hear it. Why do you think it should be done?

sure it can, i didnt say it otherwise.

i think you have me confused with someone who gives a shit.

there is no valid arguement for either side, only preference.

i simply dont give a shit about your preference. whatever you like isfine with me. i only posted on this thread because the uncuts and you are trying to validate your preference with words like barbaric and sheep mentality.

 

[spongebob]

Oh, you felt it. It was the worst hour of your life, but alas, you would not remember it years later.
Studies shown that it is traumatic to infants; effecting heart beats, breathing, and sleep for weeks later.
.

shit! haha. worst hour of my lfe. ive had a tv stuck up my fucking dick looking for problems because i couldnt keep my dick in my pants. i had a wart burned off with liquid nitrogen. i had both big toes operated on while i was awake. i had both my uper and lower jaw broken. if you think it was the worst pain i had, you dont know fucking pain. i laugh at you.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

sure it can, i didnt say it otherwise.

Yeah, uh, that's were the imply comes in, bob...getting angry

i think you have me confused with someone who gives a shit.

...still angry.

there is no valid arguement for either side, only preference.

American Academy of Pediatrics seems to think there is a valid argument against making it routine now. [size=-2]Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics March 1, 1999[/size]

i simply dont give a shit about your preference. whatever you like isfine with me. i only posted on this thread because the uncuts and you are trying to validate your preference with words like barbaric and sheep mentality.

...still angry. Bro. I'm not attacking. Lighten up, k?
The procedure of penile surgey on infants without anesthetic is barbaric. I'll stick to that..

 

[AAP]

I am rumored to be gay (but I ain't) yet you guys are more obsessed with dicks than I am. (supposingly, if I were gay. But I ain't)

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

shit! haha. worst hour of my lfe. ive had a tv stuck up my fucking dick looking for problems because i couldnt keep my dick in my pants. i had a wart burned off with liquid nitrogen. i had both big toes operated on while i was awake. i had both my uper and lower jaw broken. if you think it was the worst pain i had, you dont know fucking pain. i laugh at you.

...still angry.

Forskin is one of the most sensitive parts of the body.
We are talking about the penis here...

Yes, it was even worse then those. Watch the tape...I was shocked.

 

[spongebob]

Yeah, uh, that's were the implycome in, bob...getting angry

...still angry.

American Academy of Pediatrics seems to think there is a valid argument against making it routine now. [size=-2]Journal of American Academy of Pediatrics March 1, 1999[/size]

...still angry. Bro. I'm not attacking. Lighten up, k?
The procedure of penile surgey on infants without anesthetic is barbaric. I'll stick to that..

dont flatter yourelf. im not the least bit angry but nice way to brush my post off. your welcome to believe whatever you want. if you think im angry then i am angry, if you think i care about this issue, then sure i care deeply, if you think i care what the american academy of pediatrics thinks, then sure i will subscribe to thier philosophy. anything else you think i should say or do?

and no, thats not what i said. i said my parents made a decision based on thier beliefs. you asked me what religion i was. i said the word beliefs does not necessarily imply a religion, am i wrong here?

again, my position is very simple, its a preference. not even the AAP ca change that.

trust me, will not be at any pro-circumcision rallies anytime soon. i am not he one arguing for the other side to do it my way. k.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

Angry, well, defensive as hell...
Lets forget your parents and you.

Will you have your son circumcised? If so, why?

 

[spongebob]

...still angry.

Forskin is one of the most sensitive parts of the body.
We are talking about the penis here...

Yes, it was even worse then those. Watch the tape...I was shocked.

you are wrong. it is worse to get a tv stuck up your penis or to get liquid nitrogen on it. but again, you said im angry so i must be. in your reality ofcourse.

 

[spongebob]

Angry, well, defensive as hell...
Lets forget your parents and you.

Will you have your son circumcised? If so, why?

i have no sons. i am done having children. the answers you seek are in this thread in previous post of mine. change your reality.


and no, thats not what i said. i said my parents made a decision based on thier beliefs. you asked me what religion i was. i said the word beliefs does not necessarily imply a religion, am i wrong here?

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

and no, thats not what i said. i said my parents made a decision based on thier beliefs. you asked me what religion i was. i said the word beliefs does not necessarily imply a religion, am i wrong here?

No, you are not wrong. Believes can imply religion, but does not imply 100%.

 

[jaded]

I hope to have children one day, and if I have sons, I won't have them circumcised. If, when they're older, they choose to have it done themselves, that's their business, but I'll leave that decision to them...

 

[BrothaBill]

Shit, Ult, we can do and do do open heart surgery on infants without anesthetic, cutting the chest open and filleting like disecting them like a biology class frog with no anesthetic is by far more painful than a circumcision. The infant has whats called a "Tabula Rasa" a blank slate, it has no reference point to judge what pain is, it simply doesnt exist in its mind b/c the mind is empty, the existance of pain in their mind can be likened to what colors look like in a colorblind person's mind, they simply are just some electrical impulses but there is no formed associations or attachments to the notion of pain. Its lil more than a minute spark of bioelectricity at that point, it means nothing, just a simple electrical current to an empty tabula rasa. Surgeries are done invitro all the time and since its still in the mother, no anesthetic. Its actually a better safer way to correct defects by performing them while the baby is in the womb for a number of reasons including cosmetic alterations of birth defects b/c no scarring remains. Can view things egocentrically, what does a baby know or feel, you can view that as to how a thirty year old man might feel if they were to have it done, or view it as the baby being tortured, just another notion of the man.

 

[spongebob]

No, you are not wrong. Believes can imply religion, but does not imply 100%.

and that is what i said thank you very much.

 

[BrothaBill]

and that is what i said thank you very much.

LOL, words and peoples meanings of them, dude, why are you arguing zen matters like that. Words are just variables meanings are completely irrelevant except to the person who uses them, logic goes out the window, its intuitive knowledge remember

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

Shit, Ult, we can do and do do open heart surgery on infants without anesthetic, cutting the chest open and filleting like disecting them like a biology class frog with no anesthetic is by far more painful than a circumcision. The infant has whats called a "Tabula Rasa" a blank slate, it has no reference point to judge what pain is, it simply doesnt exist in its mind b/c the mind is empty, the existance of pain in their mind can be likened to what colors look like in a colorblind person's mind, they simply are just some electrical impulses but there is no formed associations or attachments to the notion of pain. Its lil more than a minute spark of bioelectricity at that point, it means nothing, just a simple electrical current to an empty tabula rasa. Surgeries are done invitro all the time and since its still in the mother, no anesthetic. Its actually a better safer way to correct defects by performing them while the baby is in the womb for a number of reasons including cosmetic alterations of birth defects b/c no scarring remains. Can view things egocentrically, what does a baby know or feel, you can view that as to how a thirty year old man might feel if they were to have it done, or view it as the baby being tortured, just another notion of the man.

http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/1f21e.htm

This study demonstrates two important findings," says Dr. Koren. "It shows that infants do in fact feel pain, and that their pain is not short-lived, as previously thought. Consequently, adequate pain relief should be routinely used during circumcision and any other medical and surgical procedures where pain is possible."

 

[spongebob]

LOL, words and peoples meanings of them, dude, why are you arguing zen matters like that. Words are just variables meanings are completely irrelevant except to the person who uses them, logic goes out the window, its intuitive knowledge remember

well, the most simplest mistakes are the most important to me.

your right, i wasted time on this thread when i could have been polishing my cut chrome dome.

 

[spongebob]

i cant return the green ult, but ive always given you green anyways.

but peace to you and your penis, cut or uncut. and your opinins.

 

[BrothaBill]

http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/1f21e.htm

LMFAO!! Now thats what I was referring to as junk science earlier in the thread, there are so many wrong with that study and what it was trying to measure. I also was going to ask you, since words are variables, what your definition of pain was since if we dont even understand each other's basic terminology then all discussion that flow are moot.

SO I was going to ask you to define the term 'pain'. Try and do so, what is it? Thats the first logical step in a discussion, set the variables to meanings. When I did research the overwhelming amount of work was the statistical analysis of how and what variables we were going to set. I mean we just could write in ebonics a set of criteria to question, we had to have it linked through setup research experiments to confirm validation and specificity.

So the question remains what it PAIN? What I was saying it was was at that point no attachments or frame of reference to know what it means b/c the brain was a tabula rasa or a blank slate, its like color stimuli to a colorblind person. It doesnt exist. The only concept of pain is that of another person and what they put the meaning of it based on their beliefs of what pain is. Clearly completely unrelated to actual truth of what pain is to the infant. Its a simple thought process of someone else. Thats how you have to approach research, what is that you are trying to study, there is no way to study pain perception of an infant, its just not possible, they might as well been reading an astrology book on how to conduct the junk science that you just posted for me. They can NOT even come close to knowing what pain is in an infant b/c at that point in the empty tabula rasa there is no reference to assign the simple electrical signals that flow from the nerve stimulations.

That whole article is where science is used to try and shade or bias the truth. Just look at how they assign the word "PAIN", its absolutely hilarious on how they assess the level of pain of the infant. I mean, hilarious, truly junk science classic.

Pain response was measured by monitoring facial expression, duration of crying, blood pressure, and heart rate. In addition, parents and the primary care physician completed a questionnaire regarding their perception of the severity of pain the infant was experiencing.

The studying was measuring the perceptions of the parents and PCPs, not the perception of the child. The other measurements are just as subjective as well if you dig into them, especially the "monitoring of facial expressions", LOL, I real objective way of doing research. This study fails wholly in specificity and validity. Gong!

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

i cant return the green ult, but ive always given you green anyways.

but peace to you and your penis, cut or uncut. and your opinins.

 

[Mr. dB]

they made a decision based on thier beliefs. the comment about sheep implies no individual judgement and decision making on thier own.

Well, that's a reasonable assumption, since most circumcisions were done with "no individual judgement and decision making". Just following the societal norm at the time.

Unless they are Jewish, the "made a decision based on their beliefs" does not hold water. There are no other belief systems prevalent in the US that require circumcision. If you come from a Christian background, circumcision was deemed unnecessary from the time of St. Paul forward.

 

[Mr. dB]

there is no valid arguement for either side, only preference.

Cutting off healthy parts of the human body at birth goes beyond preference. It is unethical.

 

[Mr. dB]

...still angry.

Forskin is one of the most sensitive parts of the body.
We are talking about the penis here...

Yes, it was even worse then those. Watch the tape...I was shocked.

If it's the one I've seen, that boy makes noises that remind me of the film of the Russian soldier getting his head cut off by Chechen rebels.

 

[spongebob]

Well, that's a reasonable assumption, since most circumcisions were done with "no individual judgement and decision making". Just following the societal norm at the time.

Unless they are Jewish, the "made a decision based on their beliefs" does not hold water. There are no other belief systems prevalent in the US that require circumcision. If you come from a Christian background, circumcision was deemed unnecessary from the time of St. Paul forward.

feel your day with assumptions.

blah blah samantics blah blah blah. cut penis.

 

[spongebob]

Cutting off healthy parts of the human body at birth goes beyond preference. It is unethical.

have you had your wisdom teeth taken out?

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

Brotha, you have crucial insight into the medical field, that I do not...I can only reply with atricles that you can cut down. You have points, but it would take me till 4 in the morning to validate them.
If this was a court, the opinion of the credited doctor would supercede that of the anonymous chat room poster (you). You could be a diesel mechanic from Tulsa for all I know (but I think you're legit)
So I'll drop the premise of if a child can feel/register pain that recent from birth, purely on the point that I don't have enough information to proceed, and I can't except your information expeditously to concure or dispute.
I've never heard these points till now....

 

[spongebob]

Brotha, you have crucial insight into the medical field, that I do not...I can only reply with atricles that you can cut down. You have points, but it would take me till 4 in the morning to validate them.
If this was a court, the opinion of the credited doctor would supercede that of the anonymous chat room poster (you). You could be a diesel mechanic from Tulsa for all I know (but I think you're legit)
So I'll drop the premise of if a child can feel/register pain that recent from birth, purely on the point that I don't have enough information to proceed, and I can't except your information expeditously to concure or dispute.
I've never heard these points till now....

lmao!

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

lmao!

what's so funny?

I know very little about the medical field, Brotha's a damn doctor...but he brings points that I have never heard before, and other doctors have disagreed about. So, lack of information on my part, I can't argue that premise, so I dropped it...

 

[spongebob]

what's so funny?

I know very little about the medical field, Brotha's a damn doctor...but he brings points that I have never heard before, and other doctors have disagreed about. So, lack of information on my part, I can't agrue that premise, so I dropped it...

well first off BB is not a doctor, but he does play one on ef.

and i just thought your response was funny, not your capitualation.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

well first off BB is not a doctor, but he does play one on ef.

and i just thought your response was funny, not your capitualation.

He said he's a doctor. If he is or is not, he knows more then me about medicine.
Now, It wasn't a capitualation...
The premise is not a key factor of my arguement of infant circumcision not being necessary and/or just.

 

[spongebob]

He said he's a doctor. If he is or is not, he knows more then me about medicine.
Now, It wasn't a capitualation...
The premise is not a key factor of my arguement of infant circumcision not being necessary and/or just.

i dont know if he is, i was playing, i know he has ten letters behind his name.

sorry, i meant captualation on the premise of babies feeling pain. thats what that specific post was about.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

i dont know if he is, i was playing, i know he has ten letters behind his name.

Oh, I assume people tell the truth until noted otherwise

sorry, i meant captualation on the premise of babies feeling pain. thats what that specific post was about.

Yes, I understood that. It's more like an impass. I post a article, he cuts it down, I post another article, he cuts it down. It would go nowhere, as I don't know enough to argue without articles, and it'a not a major constituent in my view of this issue. So it's better dropped. Even the potentially painlessness (which I need to see studies to believe) doesn't justify the procedure.

 

[spongebob]

Oh, I assume people tell the truth until noted otherwise

Yes, I understood that. It's more like an impass. I post a article, he cuts it down, I post another article, he cuts it down. It would go nowhere, as I don't know enough to argue without articles, and it'a not a major constituent in my view of this issue. So it's better dropped. Even the potentially painlessness (which I need to see studies to believe) doesn't justify the procedure.

alls im saying is i wouldnt trust him, he's probably reading up frantically on the subject as we speak.

 

[Yarg!]

im cut, i dont really notice any loss of sensation before and after... and it makes your cock bigger. or so i heard, i wouldnt know cuz i was only 13 when i had it done.

 

[Mr. dB]

have you had your wisdom teeth taken out?

They weren't healthy.

Wisdom teeth aren't removed just for the sake of it. If all four of them fit, and are straight, they're usually left in place. But if they come in too crooked, or if there isn't room in your jaw, or if one or more is impacted, then they must go.

In my case, only the uppers came in. You can't keep an upper molar if there's no mating lower molar to bite against. So while both upper wisdom teeth were straight and normal, they wouldn't have lasted, they'd have eventually gotten loose.

 

[Yarg!]

btw i definately think the child should have the final say in this cuz i was sore for like 2 weeks after. u know how sensitive your head is when it gets recently exposed.. god i never want to go thru that again. however! female circumsition is just beyond brutal and should be stopped immediately, regardless of religion. those poor women put up with 10x the pain i went thru.

 

[spongebob]

They weren't healthy.

Wisdom teeth aren't removed just for the sake of it. If all four of them fit, and are straight, they're usually left in place. But if they come in too crooked, or if there isn't room in your jaw, or if one or more is impacted, then they must go.

In my case, only the uppers came in. You can't keep an upper molar if there's no mating lower molar to bite against. So while both upper wisdom teeth were straight and normal, they wouldn't have lasted, they'd have eventually gotten loose.

lol. ok. ive heard of plenty of people having them removed for no reason.

but whatever, if you like your penis with skin by all means have at it.

 

[spongebob]

btw i definately think the child should have the final say in this cuz i was sore for like 2 weeks after. u know how sensitive your head is when it gets recently exposed.. god i never want to go thru that again. however! female circumsition is just beyond brutal and should be stopped immediately, regardless of religion. those poor women put up with 10x the pain i went thru.

then would you have preferred to have it done as an infant? or not at all?

 

[Yarg!]

prolly infant. cuz im azn and i need all the help i can get. yeah definately infant, if not, ask the child first. and make sure hes old enough to understand the consequences (aka shit loads of pain), but also explain to him what a large dick can do for you, and lack of foreskin infections..

 

[spongebob]

prolly infant. cuz im azn and i need all the help i can get. yeah definately infant, if not, ask the child first. and make sure hes old enough to understand the consequences (aka shit loads of pain), but also explain to him what a large dick can do for you, and lack of foreskin infections..

so before you had the procedure done, you had infections occasionally?