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Circumcision - a serious discussion

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I, like most men in the US, am circumcised.

I wish I wasn't. I wish I was left the way nature made me. With all my nerve endings in tact.

I think circumcision should be banned actually. Its a choice the child has no say in. It used to be done for religious reasons, then for cultural reasons, and its just plain wrong in my opinion.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Can anyone give any GOOD reasons to circumcise a boy?

Hygeine? Guess what, we have soap and can wash.
Looks? What a stupid fucking reason to cut off part of a person's penis. Are we that shallow?
Urinary tract infections? Circumcision reduces that risk by less then 1%

I just don't get it. Most of the entire world doesn't do this. In Canada less then 20% of males get circumcised...

We are adamantly against female circumcision, we call it mutilation, why do it to guys?

I don't blame my parents, they just did what they felt was right, but I really wish they would have made a different decision.
 
Where I go to school, Kingston, Ont., there are no doctors who will perform circumcisions. It's an unnecessary procedure, and parents can still opt to have it performed but no doctor in Kingston will do it.
 
i was going to be circumcised, but india lobbied against all that potential australian leather production and my family gave in to pressure from the government

its a shame though, they could have made AT LEAST 5 handbags ;)
 
Umm, I dont much care just I know girls say that an uncircumsized penis is gross, just the ones in the rare conversations where the subject actually came up. I dont care, just glad that I am.
As for comparing it to female mutilation, its hardly circumcision in a parallel sense, it truly is mutilation. Like muslim women having a redhot metal poker that burns the clitorus into scar tissue eliminating all sexual feeling from that organ or cutting it and surrounding tissue out. Biologically speaking the clitorus is a small redundant penis and so the procedure involves completely destroying the females redundant penis, the entire thing to prevent women from any pleasure from sex to keep them subserviant and so they dont cheat on their husbands. Thats why people who actually know what it is are so against it.

A comparison could be drawn if when a male child is born they cut OFF the penis or burned it with a blow torch into a mass of burnt tissue. Two very distinct issues so I think that calling what they do a female circumcision is deceptive and not truthful. It is genital mutilation plain and simple. Removal of a foreskin is hardly in the same category.

As for why, I have no clue, Ive heard a few but dont know them well enough to discuss them. I just think that it is a societal norm that its done here and to make a stand against society at the expense of having your child be different is another issue. It goes to the root of an issue the parent has. There are better things to fight for than making your child 'different' to prove a point against society. If it were normal here not to have it removed then same difference.
 
I have all my skin in tact..Sometimes I wonder if my pole would have been looked better circumsized. That's probably the only difference. As for hygiene, that's stupid. I always wear my turtle neck back and very clean.
 
BrothaBill said:
Umm, I dont much care just I know girls say that an uncircumsized penis is gross, just the ones in the rare conversations where the subject actually came up. I dont care, just glad that I am.
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I've heard the same thing from many females, and am glad that I am circumsized for that very reason.
 
I am also uncut, which is kinda ironic because I am Jewish...but my parents said that they didn't want to do it to me b/c it was performed by some Rabbi under unsanitary conditions bla bla bla. I don't really mind, as it looks like it's uncut when erect anyway.
 
canadianhitman said:
I've heard the same thing from many females, and am glad that I am circumsized for that very reason.
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If women weren't used to seeing circumcised penises, would they still think foreskin was gross? If all they had ever seen were cocks with hoods, they wouldn't have anything to compare it to.

Are there any ladies here that are in countries where circumcision is rare? If so, do you think a natural penis is gross?
 
Well heres my thoughts on circumsision
First, my cousin was not circumsized when he was born and my mom would tell me that when they pulled back the skin to wash it, he would cry because it hurt alot and they considered getting him circumsized when he was 8 or 9 but it is more painful as you grow older to get circumsized.
2nd, i have actually never saw a uncircumsized man, even my kids when they were babies, i dont think i ever saw them till they were circumsized. I just think that maybe it holds alot of bacteria and if you are married or whatever and say the woman gets a yeast infection, its probably easier to pass it between you with an uncircumsized man but im not sure
3rd, i dont know if i could ever do oral sex on a guy that wasnt circumsized....i KNOW that alot of religions dont like it but I guess, since im female I dont understand the whole "should i or shouldnt i have been circumsized". I guess that, as a parent myself, is a choice that is made for the parents when the child is born and the son shouldnt hold it against the parents for making that decision to either get or not get the circumcision.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
If women weren't used to seeing circumcised penises, would they still think foreskin was gross? If all they had ever seen were cocks with hoods, they wouldn't have anything to compare it to.

Are there any ladies here that are in countries where circumcision is rare? If so, do you think a natural penis is gross?
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and your point is...?
 
Unless you are jewish, it's a completely pointless exercise that lessens sensations, most often actually removing an entire bundle of nerves as well.

I feel bad for guys who were as they don't know what they're missing.
 
Jay Cartwright said:
Why are most men in the US circumcised?
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Jewish influence.

I am uncut and no woman has ever told me that I was gross. Nor has any ever refrained or hesitated the least in burying my dick in the back of her throat.
 
I wouldnt be able to cum if I was circumsized...and as far as bacteria goes your man shouldnt be stickin a dirty dick in you anyways.
 
they have a word for u uncircumcised haters

smegma: the cheesy sebaceous matter that collects between the glans penis and the foreskin
 
SoKlueles said:
First, my cousin was not circumsized when he was born and my mom would tell me that when they pulled back the skin to wash it, he would cry because it hurt alot and they considered getting him circumsized when he was 8 or 9 but it is more painful as you grow older to get circumsized.
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They were idiots for trying to peel back his foreskin before it was ready. When a boy is born, the foreskin is attached to the glans the way your fingernail is attached to your finger. Imagine trying to peel back your fingernail to clean underneath??? No wonder he cried.

Those adhesions wear away at different rates for different boys. Some boys are fully retractable quite young, others can't retract until well into puberty. Myself, I never even saw my glans until I was ten years old.

I was lucky. As the only uncircumcised male in my family, my parents had no experience with it and didn't know what to do, so they did nothing, which was the right thing to do.
 
Lestat said:
Hygeine? Guess what, we have soap and can wash.
Looks? What a stupid fucking reason to cut off part of a person's penis. Are we that shallow?
Urinary tract infections? Circumcision reduces that risk by less then 1%
We are adamantly against female circumcision, we call it mutilation, why do it to guys?
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First of all you can grow another foreskin if you want... Stop crying you big baby. :)

Let me raise a few points:

1) Uncut penises look nasty. It doesn't matter if this is a product of our society, the fact of the matter is the NORM is circumcision and that is what we base our judgments of aestheticism on, the norm. If fat chicks were considered by most people to be the most attractive females then there would be a hell of a lot more fat chicks, it doesn't matter that being fat is unhealthy.

2) My girlfriend said a couple of her ex-boyfriends were uncut and they had to wash like twice a day due to the buildup of bacteria causing a strange smell. I yelled at her for telling me that...

3) A lot of people complain about the brutality of male and female circumcision. The only thing is no brutality is necessary in a male circumcision. My son had a ring placed around his penis and in a few days his foreskin fell off. The doctors said it is painless.

4) A FORESKIN IS NASTY!!! There is a fucking word for the dead skin cells, urine and other nasty shit that collects in that motherfucker, smegma. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT BULLSHIT!!! WHO WANTS A DICK WITH SMEGMA! The call that shit a natural lubricant, especially when mixed with saliva... ugh... If you are the girl that is licking on that shit, shame on you. ;)

All in all, the most important thing for me is that I am happy I don't have to worry about the maintenance that is associated with being uncircumcised. I am a lazy man.
 
Circumcision is a stupid barbaric tribal custom that should have died out centuries ago. For those of us who are not bound by Abraham's covenant with God, it's not required for religious reasons either. Circumcision for white Anglo-Saxon Gentiles was unheard of until the late 19th century when Victorian-era sexual inhibitions were all the rage. Quack doctors thought that circumcision would eliminate the evils of masturbation and sexual promiscuity by reducing the man's pleasure.
 
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dunk said:
they have a word for u uncircumcised haters

smegma: the cheesy sebaceous matter that collects between the glans penis and the foreskin
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So? It's a non-issue for anyone with reasonably normal hygiene habits.
 
scriptfactory said:
First of all you can grow another foreskin if you want... Stop crying you big baby. :)

Let me raise a few points:

1) Uncut penises look nasty. It doesn't matter if this is a product of our society, the fact of the matter is the NORM is circumcision and that is what we base our judgments of aestheticism on, the norm. If fat chicks were considered by most people to be the most attractive females then there would be a hell of a lot more fat chicks, it doesn't matter that being fat is unhealthy.

2) My girlfriend said a couple of her ex-boyfriends were uncut and they had to wash like twice a day due to the buildup of bacteria causing a strange smell. I yelled at her for telling me that...

3) A lot of people complain about the brutality of male and female circumcision. The only thing is no brutality is necessary in a male circumcision. My son had a ring placed around his penis and in a few days his foreskin fell off. The doctors said it is painless.

4) A FORESKIN IS NASTY!!! There is a fucking word for the dead skin cells, urine and other nasty shit that collects in that motherfucker, smegma. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT BULLSHIT!!! WHO WANTS A DICK WITH SMEGMA! The call that shit a natural lubricant, especially when mixed with saliva... ugh... If you are the girl that is licking on that shit, shame on you. ;)

All in all, the most important thing for me is that I am happy I don't have to worry about the maintenance that is associated with being uncircumcised. I am a lazy man.
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i agree
 
You can't grow a new foreskin. And nasty dicks are a result of bad hygiene, not foreskin.
 
Mr. dB said:
They were idiots for trying to peel back his foreskin before it was ready. When a boy is born, the foreskin is attached to the glans the way your fingernail is attached to your finger. Imagine trying to peel back your fingernail to clean underneath??? No wonder he cried.

Those adhesions wear away at different rates for different boys. Some boys are fully retractable quite young, others can't retract until well into puberty. Myself, I never even saw my glans until I was ten years old.

I was lucky. As the only uncircumcised male in my family, my parents had no experience with it and didn't know what to do, so they did nothing, which was the right thing to do.
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Simple informed intutitive intelligent post.

Just wanna add that I'm really sorry that someone did that to you Lestat , I'd be pissed as hell that my folks didnt use their craniums to think for a second.
 
BrothaBill said:
Umm, I dont much care just I know girls say that an uncircumsized penis is gross, just the ones in the rare conversations where the subject actually came up. I dont care, just glad that I am.
As for comparing it to female mutilation, its hardly circumcision in a parallel sense, it truly is mutilation. Like muslim women having a redhot metal poker that burns the clitorus into scar tissue eliminating all sexual feeling from that organ or cutting it and surrounding tissue out. Biologically speaking the clitorus is a small redundant penis and so the procedure involves completely destroying the females redundant penis, the entire thing to prevent women from any pleasure from sex to keep them subserviant and so they dont cheat on their husbands. Thats why people who actually know what it is are so against it.

A comparison could be drawn if when a male child is born they cut OFF the penis or burned it with a blow torch into a mass of burnt tissue. Two very distinct issues so I think that calling what they do a female circumcision is deceptive and not truthful. It is genital mutilation plain and simple. Removal of a foreskin is hardly in the same category.

As for why, I have no clue, Ive heard a few but dont know them well enough to discuss them. I just think that it is a societal norm that its done here and to make a stand against society at the expense of having your child be different is another issue. It goes to the root of an issue the parent has. There are better things to fight for than making your child 'different' to prove a point against society. If it were normal here not to have it removed then same difference.
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Circumcision REMOVES what will be come about 6 square inches of nerve ending RICH skin.

That is what the clitoris is too right? An organ filled with nerve endings? Women don't have a urethra through it so its redundant right? I agree its barbaric, but the argument for it and for circumcision are almost the same.

In the 1800 boys WERE circumcised to stop them from masturbating. Sounds like the same reason's for genital mutilation.
 
scriptfactory said:
First of all you can grow another foreskin if you want... Stop crying you big baby. :)

Let me raise a few points:

1) Uncut penises look nasty. It doesn't matter if this is a product of our society, the fact of the matter is the NORM is circumcision and that is what we base our judgments of aestheticism on, the norm. If fat chicks were considered by most people to be the most attractive females then there would be a hell of a lot more fat chicks, it doesn't matter that being fat is unhealthy.
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Wrong...where you live (Germany) foreskin is the NORM and has been for a very long time... well done pal you just hexed your own kid to use a stupid excuse for putting a knife to a kid's genitals.

scriptfactory said:
2) My girlfriend said a couple of her ex-boyfriends were uncut and they had to wash like twice a day due to the buildup of bacteria causing a strange smell. I yelled at her for telling me that...
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Your gf is a liar or you are... in many middle Eastern parts they don#t wash for months...compare the (lower) UTI rates with the US ( --- BULLSHIT.

scriptfactory said:
3) A lot of people complain about the brutality of male and female circumcision. The only thing is no brutality is necessary in a male circumcision. My son had a ring placed around his penis and in a few days his foreskin fell off. The doctors said it is painless.
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Female circumcision was practiced by U.S. doctors up until the 40s...how do you define "brutality" ? If brutality is not taking a knife to a kid's genitals then you're an idiot.

scriptfactory said:
4) A FORESKIN IS NASTY!!! There is a fucking word for the dead skin cells, urine and other nasty shit that collects in that motherfucker, smegma. WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT BULLSHIT!!! WHO WANTS A DICK WITH SMEGMA! The call that shit a natural lubricant, especially when mixed with saliva... ugh... If you are the girl that is licking on that shit, shame on you. ;)
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What you think you've got inside your own body dumbass ? Do you think it's an entirely sterile environment - all stainless steel compartments etc ? Bacteria is what causes you to ingest food , cleans your body , does a whole host of beneficial things .... ever lapped a pussy...how's that bacteria taste ?

scriptfactory said:
All in all, the most important thing for me is that I am happy I don't have to worry about the maintenance that is associated with being uncircumcised. I am a lazy man.
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Too lazy to educate yourself is forgiveable.
Too lazy to look out for your kid is not.
 
Lestat said:
Circumcision REMOVES what will be come about 6 square inches of nerve ending RICH skin.

That is what the clitoris is too right? An organ filled with nerve endings? Women don't have a urethra through it so its redundant right? I agree its barbaric, but the argument for it and for circumcision are almost the same.

In the 1800 boys WERE circumcised to stop them from masturbating. Sounds like the same reason's for genital mutilation.
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look up the old circ threads here - most common form of female circ is LESS brutal/invasive/whatever than male - slit above dorsal hood on clit.

Hey SoKlueles you think that Nicole Bass needs a circumcision ? Do you need one ? I remember roundly defeating you on this subject and you responding "Well I don't care you won't convince me". Ostrich. sand.
 
Mandinka2 said:
look up the old circ threads here - most common form of female circ is LESS brutal/invasive/whatever than male - slit above dorsal hood on clit.

Hey SoKlueles you think that Nicole Bass needs a circumcision ? Do you need one ? I remember roundly defeating you on this subject and you responding "Well I don't care you won't convince me". Ostrich. sand.
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I dont care, you wont convince me ;) I still feel the way i did then.
 
Its just a d**k... geeze...
























J/K ;) To each his own... When I had my son I knew no better, it was just something that was done.
 
Mandinka2 said:
Wrong...where you live (Germany) foreskin is the NORM and has been for a very long time... well done pal you just hexed your own kid to use a stupid excuse for putting a knife to a kid's genitals.
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I am an American and my girlfriend is German. My son was born in a German hospital and the nursing staff ASSUMED that I wanted my son circumcised. A foreskin is NOT the norm for the younger generation of Germans as far as I know. It doesn't matter anyway as I am not staying that long in this stupid ass country. :)
Your gf is a liar or you are... in many middle Eastern parts they don#t wash for months...compare the (lower) UTI rates with the US ( --- BULLSHIT.
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I didn't say anything about urinary tract infections!! What are you smoking? What exactly would my girlfriend be lying about? I don't have any experience smelling penises so you might be able to shed some light on this for me since you seem to be an expert. ;)
Female circumcision was practiced by U.S. doctors up until the 40s...how do you define "brutality" ? If brutality is not taking a knife to a kid's genitals then you're an idiot.
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In case you didn't read my post I didn't want to put my son through a traumatic experience like a typical circumcision. Hence, the doctors placed a ring about the foreskin and after several days the ring and the foreskin fell off. My son didn't cry once during the application of this ring thing and as far as I could tell suffered no pain when we were changing his diapers. I AM AGAINST CAUSING BABIES PAIN! I am not against circumcision.
What you think you've got inside your own body dumbass ? Do you think it's an entirely sterile environment - all stainless steel compartments etc? Bacteria is what causes you to ingest food , cleans your body , does a whole host of beneficial things .... ever lapped a pussy...how's that bacteria taste?
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Have you ever licked stank ass pussy? If you did then you are wrong... very wrong... What makes you think that a girl wants to lick a stank ass dick?! Again, I have no knowledge of what an uncircumcised penis smells like but perhaps you can shed some light on this. As far as I know smegma is only present in men with foreskins, correct me if I am wrong.
Too lazy to educate yourself is forgiveable.
Too lazy to look out for your kid is not.
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Did you, by any chance, actually read my post? If English is not your first language then I understand because your responses are, how can I put this mildly, stupid.
 
For you that are worried about bacteria, being unclean, smegma....

WASH! Regular bathing MORE then eliminates any of that.

You want to talk about smelly bacteria, look at any woman's vagina. Imagine a woman getting nice a sweaty and not washing her genitals for 2 days or more... one word.. RIPE!

80% of the world is uncircumcised, and believe me, smegma isn't a problem for them.
 
Lestat said:
For you that are worried about bacteria, being unclean, smegma....

WASH! Regular bathing MORE then eliminates any of that.

You want to talk about smelly bacteria, look at any woman's vagina. Imagine a woman getting nice a sweaty and not washing her genitals for 2 days or more... one word.. RIPE!

80% of the world is uncircumcised, and believe me, smegma isn't a problem for them.
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i really wish i wasnt eating when i read this :sick:
 
Lestat said:
You want to talk about smelly bacteria, look at any woman's vagina. Imagine a woman getting nice a sweaty and not washing her genitals for 2 days or more... one word.. RIPE!
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I'd Hit It !
 
scriptfactory said:
1) Uncut penises look nasty. It doesn't matter if this is a product of our society, the fact of the matter is the NORM is circumcision and that is what we base our judgments of aestheticism on, the norm. If fat chicks were considered by most people to be the most attractive females then there would be a hell of a lot more fat chicks, it doesn't matter that being fat is unhealthy.
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The norm only in the USA. Elsewhere in the world people manage to procreate and have casual sex with foreskins, and it doesn't seem to bother anyone. And it won't be the norm for much longer, infant circumcision rates are down to about 60% in the USA now. This stupid custom is dying, and before long it'll be the mutillated guys who get pointed at and laughed at in the jr. high gym locker room showers.

Besides, ALL penises look nasty, cut or uncut. Except mine.
 
scriptfactory said:
Did you, by any chance, actually read my post? If English is not your first language then I understand because your responses are, how can I put this mildly, stupid.
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pot, kettle...
 
scriptfactory said:
I am an American and my girlfriend is German. My son was born in a German hospital and the nursing staff ASSUMED that I wanted my son circumcised.
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They assumed that because you are a Yank.
 
tiger88 said:
i just get wierded out seeing a penis with a hoodie
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But having a hoodie feels so good. It's great to have a nice snug place to put it when it's not being used.
 
TheOak01 said:
agreed,and if I have boys they will get cut
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So you'd rather greatly reduce his potential for sexual pleasure just so girls don't think it looks weird?

newsflash, when erect, the foreskin retracts, and it basically looks like a circumcised penis. The difference is, you have a LOT of nerve ending rich skin.
 
Lestat said:
So you'd rather greatly reduce his potential for sexual pleasure just so girls don't think it looks weird?

newsflash, when erect, the foreskin retracts, and it basically looks like a circumcised penis. The difference is, you have a LOT of nerve ending rich skin.
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I realize that but I havent had any trouble with being cut and my head is sensitive enough as it is so I couldnt handle anymore without being a hair trigger
 
scriptfactory said:
I am an American and my girlfriend is German. My son was born in a German hospital and the nursing staff ASSUMED that I wanted my son circumcised. A foreskin is NOT the norm for the younger generation of Germans as far as I know. It doesn't matter anyway as I am not staying that long in this stupid ass country. :)
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There is significant circumcision amongst the IMMIGRANT population - Muslims mostly amongst Turks....not amongst the German indigeneous population. Very very far cry from the norm...here is a German physician on acknowledging the harm it causes:
http://www.cirp.org/library/general/hoffman_von_kap-herr1/

I've discussed this issue at length with some German nurses - you're more than a little misinformed - the wife of the former finance minister in Germany is at the forefront of the WORLDWIDE anti-genital mutilation movement.

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I didn't say anything about urinary tract infections!! What are you smoking? What exactly would my girlfriend be lying about? I don't have any experience smelling penises so you might be able to shed some light on this for me since you seem to be an expert. ;)
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The idea that NOT removing a normal part of the human body causes an unnatural smell is bizarre....if your gf's bfs had to wash their dicks twice a day perhaps it had more to do with her....
I mentioned UTIs because there is ample documentary proof that circumcision CAUSES far more infection than otherwise...as indeed does retracting the penis before it retracts naturally.

scriptfactory said:
In case you didn't read my post I didn't want to put my son through a traumatic experience like a typical circumcision. Hence, the doctors placed a ring about the foreskin and after several days the ring and the foreskin fell off. My son didn't cry once during the application of this ring thing and as far as I could tell suffered no pain when we were changing his diapers. I AM AGAINST CAUSING BABIES PAIN! I am not against circumcision.
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Typical circumcision = traumatically painful ? Ok well that's something... the method you describe is the plastibell method..it's a preference of the Europeans when practiced at all... from the same link I provide above

Euro Doc said:
Although these considerations are more or less accepted by most pediatric surgeons in central Europe, the surgical method of choice remains controversial. The classical technique of circumcision, with or without aids such as the plastic bell, etc., is preferred by more urologically oriented pediatric surgeons and adult-urologists who also operate on children. The remaining pediatric surgeons resect only as much of the foreskin as is necessary to prevent recurrence of the phimosis. In this method, which is also favored in my clinic, the inner preputial membrane along with any scar tissue is resected at its junction with the outer membrane, and the latter is then fixed to the corona glandis. There is usually sufficient foreskin remaining to cover three-fourths to all of the glans postoperatively, but good retractability must always be achieved..

Although we are aware that the philosophy of this method is just as open to criticism as the reasoning behind total circumcision, we feel more at ease with a glans penis that is surgically “protected” rather than “stark naked” postoperatively..

Interestingly enough, mothers tend to request total circumcision only when the child’s father is totally circumcised; otherwise they feel it is important that as little skin as possible be removed. Occasionally parents whose son had total circumcision have sought cosmetic surgery to reconstruct the original condition, which is unfortunately impossible..
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The point of the above is that just like for female circ - there are different degrees of wrongness... the more tissue removed the more damage ... you chose on of the less invasive methods. If you truly think that placing the plastibell clamp on a child causes little pain then consider what actually occurs...the clamp slowly crushes the blood vessels in the foreskin by constriction...you could use the same technique to lop off a finger...Im sure the pain is not as ACUTE as with a knife but as for PAINLESS ?...well that's plain stupid...but try it on your pinky and let us all know...

scriptfactory said:
Have you ever licked stank ass pussy? If you did then you are wrong... very wrong... What makes you think that a girl wants to lick a stank ass dick?! Again, I have no knowledge of what an uncircumcised penis smells like but perhaps you can shed some light on this. As far as I know smegma is only present in men with foreskins, correct me if I am wrong.

Did you, by any chance, actually read my post? If English is not your first language then I understand because your responses are, how can I put this mildly, stupid.
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Stank ass ? Unless a chic washes her pussy out constantly (which will lead to a very unhealthy vaginal environment) there MUST be bacteria in there...that's the point dummy. Smegma is present in females...yeh pussies as well. http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/2546.html
Jesus... did you ever go to school ?
 
TheOak01 said:
I realize that but I havent had any trouble with being cut and my head is sensitive enough as it is so I couldnt handle anymore without being a hair trigger
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Read , learn ... get angry ...but don't do that Oak... its not even your choice to make.
 
Lestat said:
I, like most men in the US, am circumcised.

I wish I wasn't. I wish I was left the way nature made me. With all my nerve endings in tact.

I think circumcision should be banned actually. Its a choice the child has no say in. It used to be done for religious reasons, then for cultural reasons, and its just plain wrong in my opinion.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Can anyone give any GOOD reasons to circumcise a boy?

Hygeine? Guess what, we have soap and can wash.
Looks? What a stupid fucking reason to cut off part of a person's penis. Are we that shallow?
Urinary tract infections? Circumcision reduces that risk by less then 1%

I just don't get it. Most of the entire world doesn't do this. In Canada less then 20% of males get circumcised...

We are adamantly against female circumcision, we call it mutilation, why do it to guys?

I don't blame my parents, they just did what they felt was right, but I really wish they would have made a different decision.
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Women have previously stated they prefer a cut man, versus uncut.......the cleanliness factor and also the look.

I just think in America, circumcisions is seen a cleaning up the penis, a symbolic whitewashing of the male sexuality that stays with us to this day.

on a side note: LESTAT YOU FILTHY FUCK, WASH YOUR PENIS! :rolleyes:







DIV
 
DIVISION said:
Women have previously stated they prefer a cut man, versus uncut.......the cleanliness factor and also the look.

I just think in America, circumcisions is seen a cleaning up the penis, a symbolic whitewashing of the male sexuality that stays with us to this day.

on a side note: LESTAT YOU FILTHY FUCK, WASH YOUR PENIS! :rolleyes:
DIV
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And if she said give her $1400 you know what I'd do....
 
Mandinka2 said:
And if she said give her $1400 you know what I'd do....
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Don't start bro..... :rolleyes:

We're moving from that episode......moving on........

Women will only get away with as much shit as you let them get away with.

I've said this so many fucking time on here, and guys just don't listen.



DIV
 
you fucking people will argue about anything, how fucking weird. im laughing my ass off. people calling parents barbaric, people talking about dick cheese and it cant be kept clean. you people are morons.

what a pointless fucking non issue to argue about. cut or uncut i seriously doubt it has caused any harm whatsoever to anyone. people are actually getting so defensive about thier dick, as if trying to prove hier dick, cut or uncut, is the way to go.its hilarious.
 
DIVISION said:
Don't start bro..... :rolleyes:

We're moving from that episode......moving on........

Women will only get away with as much shit as you let them get away with.

I've said this so many fucking time on here, and guys just don't listen.



DIV
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IRONY ? Listen maing...come back over to Europe...women here I can asure you think that a natural penis is a good one... no need for any cutting.
 
Mandinka2 said:
Read , learn ... get angry ...but don't do that Oak... its not even your choice to make.
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dude its hilarious, your going on a save the foreskin rampage here. who gives a fuck if he gets his kids pecker whacked? really why do you care so much?
 
honestly, yu know wht it looks like reading all the post from the uncut memebers. like they have circumcision envy. thier trying to convince everyone being uncut is the best and moral way. why?
 
spongebob said:
dude its hilarious, your going on a save the foreskin rampage here. who gives a fuck if he gets his kids pecker whacked? really why do you care so much?
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Cos I think that it's terrible that folks who love to talk down to other nations/cultures about the way they treat women/animals do this to their own sons. When the medical grounds were shown to be rubbish , it's now moved onto aesthetics. I guess most of all I think it's completely obvious that no-one should take away the sexual integrity of another without their consent.
 
Mandinka2 said:
Cos I think that it's terrible that folks who love to talk down to other nations/cultures about the way they treat women/animals do this to their own sons. When the medical grounds were shown to be rubbish , it's now moved onto aesthetics. I guess most of all I think it's completely obvious that no-one should take away the sexual integrity of another without their consent.
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lets clear this up, post a poll and ask this question.

ask, if you were curcumcized do you hate your parents for it.

ill ay it again, i think you have curcumcision envy.
 
spongebob said:
lol.

how stupid.

out of all the people ive known in my life, i have never met one person that has had one problem.thats real world baby.
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You're right ... you don't know me so I don't exist
 
dude everyone in this thread who wasnt circumcised is looking for justification.

admit it. you wish u were missing that little turkey gullet.
 
spongebob said:
lets clear this up, post a poll and ask this question.

ask, if you were curcumcized do you hate your parents for it.

ill ay it again, i think you have curcumcision envy.
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As you can already see from the thread...people know what they grew up with...which is the same shitty reason we have female circ in Africa for instance. It's called "regret aversion" - fear of moving away from a societal norm. If I had circ envy I'd simply get one. Illogical.
 
Mandinka2 said:
You're right ... you don't know me so I don't exist
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so thats what this is all about, your still pissed at mommy and daddy. quit taking it out on us.

show me some data on percentages of problems in the US.
 
Mandinka2 said:
There is significant circumcision amongst ...
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That was an interesting link you posted. It seems to state that "there is no uniform opinion in the German-speaking countries". The nursing staff at the hospital where my son was born said that the majority of the male children born there were circumcised.

There is a degree of pain in every surgical procedure. I think reducing the degree of pain significantly is a good thing, right?

I've never licked smegma before. Let me know how it tastes, will ya'? The point I was trying to make is, not having a foreskin saves me the trouble of dealing with smegma. Of course humans harbor all sorts of bacteria, it doesn't mean that I want that bacteria on my genitalia... If I can reduce the amount of bacteria growing on my penis then cool.

Basically, I am happy as hell that I don't have a foreskin and I know my son will be happy as well. A circumcised penis will NEVER suffer the same stigmatism that currently surrounds the uncircumcised male genitalia (in the U.S.) As long as I happy I could care less about all of you uncuts. :)

Have fun with your smegma.
 
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spongebob said:
honestly, yu know wht it looks like reading all the post from the uncut memebers. like they have circumcision envy. thier trying to convince everyone being uncut is the best and moral way. why?
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Because studies have shown cut men get more pussy... :qt:
 
Mandinka2 said:
As you can already see from the thread...people know what they grew up with...which is the same shitty reason we have female circ in Africa for instance. It's called "regret aversion" - fear of moving away from a societal norm. If I had circ envy I'd simply get one. Illogical.
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yes and they like it, bingo.

i aint in fear of anything, my opinion is circ is better. im glad im circ. im not gonna make fun of you if your not, i could give a shit less. if you like your penis uncut, that is cool with me.

i cant believe i got suckered into this conversation, how weird.
 
lol @ all the people trying to justify the barbaric practice just because it "looks good" or its the "social norm"

its attitudes like that which remind me why I'm in the top 1% of population by almost every standard.
 
Lestat said:
lol @ all the people trying to justify the barbaric practice just because it "looks good" or its the "social norm"

its attitudes like that which remind me why I'm in the top 1% of population by almost every standard.
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bighead.jpg
 
scriptfactory said:
That was an interesting link you posted. It seems to state that "there is no uniform opinion in the German-speaking countries". The nursing staff at the hospital where my son was born said that the majority of the male children born there were circumcised.
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You must read slowly...directly underneath that was
Eurodoc said:
The majority of pediatric surgeons in our area, while not doubting the existence of true medical indications, reject the routine practice of circumcision in newborns despite cognizance of the apparently weighty arguments such as the allegedly higher incidence of penile and cervical carcinomas associated with uncircumcised men. These arguments are essentially thinly-veiled justifications for prophylactic circumcision, however, and are not accepted by most of us. The correctness of this silent opposition is being confirmed by the slow but increasing changes in practice in the United States, where for decades circumcision was carried out totally uncritically as a “cultural ritual”; currently efforts are underway to do away with this nonsense
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scriptfactory said:
There is a degree of pain in every surgical procedure. I think reducing the degree of pain significantly is a good thing, right?
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But in post #33 you said:
scriptfactory said:
I AM AGAINST CAUSING BABIES PAIN!
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Self-ownage.

scriptfactory said:
I've never licked smegma before. Let me know how it tastes, will ya'? The point I was trying to make is, not having a foreskin saves me the trouble of dealing with smegma. Of course humans harbor all sorts of bacteria, it doesn't mean that I want that bacteria on my genitalia...
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So you don't lick pussy ? YOu'll never fuck again ? Pussy contains smegma...you asked me for evidence and I've proven that (bottom of post #47) . How does it taste ? Your son still should have a good deal of his foreskin intact if the plastibell method was propely applied... he'll have it too.

scriptfactory said:
Basically, I am happy as hell that I don't have a foreskin and I know my son will be happy as well. A circumcised penis will NEVER suffer the same stigmatism that currently surrounds the uncircumcised male genitalia (in the U.S.) As long as I happy I could care less about all of you uncuts. :)
Have fun with your smegma.
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Ignorance is bliss they say.
 
spongebob said:
look at the difference between estimated problems. an its estimated. no doubt a site probably trying to convince people its wrong.
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be more specific
spongebob said:
you are a retard with an ugly penis and you mad about it.
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no i wont give you pics.Stop PMing me
 
Why don't parents let their children decide when they are adults? I saw a circumcision done on TV. That baby screamed like hell! There was quite a bit of blood and the damn thing appeared to have a lot of swelling (or maybe the kid was just a natural porn star)
 
Lestat said:
lol @ all the people trying to justify the barbaric practice just because it "looks good" or its the "social norm"

its attitudes like that which remind me why I'm in the top 1% of population by almost every standard.
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lamo! this is the best thread ever. guys fighting over thier penis'

i dont care what you think, i dont care if your penis is uncut, i dont care if you think your penis is cleaner than my penis, i dont care if you think its a social norm, why in the world woud you care if i am cut??? what is the point here.

i dont need society to tell me this, i think a cut penis looks better, i think i cut penis can be kept cleaner, i think a cutpenis is preferred by more women. i dont give a shit what you think about a penis. odds are i will never let you enjoy my penis anyway.

lol, show me proof your in the top 1%.
 
Lestat said:
lol @ all the people trying to justify the barbaric practice just because it "looks good" or its the "social norm"

its attitudes like that which remind me why I'm in the top 1% of population by almost every standard.
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oh i forgot, what in the fuck is so barbaric about being cut. i dont even remember it. please explain. and define barbaric.
 
Mandinka: The portion you posted states "The majority of pediatric surgeons in our area... etc..." It doesn't say the majority of surgeons in Germany.

I should have written, "I am against causing babies unnecessary pain but and uncut dick looks like shit."

Smegma is the buildup of dead skin cells, etc. I have never licked that, sorry. And what the hell does licking pussy have to do with never having sex again!?

My son has no foreskin left.
 
spongebob said:
lamo! this is the best thread ever. guys fighting over thier penis'

i dont care what you think, i dont care if your penis is uncut, i dont care if you think your penis is cleaner than my penis, i dont care if you think its a social norm, why in the world woud you care if i am cut??? what is the point here.

i dont need society to tell me this, i think a cut penis looks better, i think i cut penis can be kept cleaner, i think a cutpenis is preferred by more women. i dont give a shit what you think about a penis. odds are i will never let you enjoy my penis anyway.

lol, show me proof your in the top 1%.
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You're right - I don't care about YOUR penis. Cut it right off... go ahead..use a plastibell...according to scriptwhatever it won't even hurt !
I do care about a child's sexual integrity...especially when it has no choice in what others are doing to it. That is the point. Genius.
 
spongebob said:
oh i forgot, what in the fuck is so barbaric about being cut. i dont even remember it. please explain. and define barbaric.
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shall I send you W-2s and SAT scores? How about college diplomas?

Don't take me the wrong way, there are people smarter then me that make more money, but the vast majority of the world doesn't have a fucking clue is my point.

It gets tiring, seeing everything in life catered to the lowest common denominator.
 
Mandinka2 said:
be more specific

no i wont give you pics.Stop PMing me
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exatly, thats my point. look at he so called "estimated" number of probems. some range from 25k to 125k. kind of vague uh?

and the casal usage of the word "estimated"

i love my penis.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
Why don't parents let their children decide when they are adults? I saw a circumcision done on TV. That baby screamed like hell! There was quite a bit of blood and the damn thing appeared to have a lot of swelling (or maybe the kid was just a natural porn star)
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so what, i dont remember i thing from it. gimme abreak,
 
scriptfactory said:
Mandinka: The portion you posted states "The majority of pediatric surgeons in our area... etc..." It doesn't say the majority of surgeons in Germany.

I should have written, "I am against causing babies unnecessary pain but and uncut dick looks like shit."

Smegma is the buildup of dead skin cells, etc. I have never licked that, sorry. And what the hell does licking pussy have to do with never having sex again!?

My son has no foreskin left.
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Of course the guy was only goin on what he knew about his professional colleagues.
What is so NECCESSARY about circumcision ?

Smegma is a natural secretion from the clit and adjoining areas...you can't lick a clit without getting some smegma...even a circumcised kid produces smegma...it just falls away since it has nowhere to build up. You said you never wanted to have smegma on your dick but if u fucked a pussy...guess what ? HELLO!
 
Lestat said:
Circumcision REMOVES what will be come about 6 square inches of nerve ending RICH skin.
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Every bit of skin has nerve endings, removing tissue from the penis in a circumcision does not affect sexual appreciation if done correctly in any appreciable manner. Anyone that claims otherwise is biased. Links to medical literature that backs up the six square inches claim. Im not talking some website that has a bug up their ass about circumcisions. Im talking something that I would turn to look up professional medical queries. Lets throw out the talking points

That is what the clitoris is too right?
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No, not what I assume you are saying, certainly we can break it down to GCAT and build from there, but that is a poor endevour on your part, foreskin does not equal clitorus, I warn you to not try and argue that, Ill smoke you foo, just like being up a kindergartner if you continue down that path, tatoo it to your dick...foreskin is not the male equivalent of the clitorus period!!!

An organ filled with nerve endings?
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Yeah, are we going to argue nerve endings here, since nerve endings are everywhere in the skin with the least in the skin of the elbow, lets break it down to DNA sequencing. That makes more sense, I can at least argue that and make a better point on sexual organs

Women don't have a urethra through it so its redundant right?
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Not the ones Ive met at least
The clitorus is described by most as a evolutional redundant penis

I agree its barbaric, but the argument for it and for circumcision are almost the same.
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Wrong
Thats where we disagree, having a foreskin or not having one, who really cares, it doesnt affect the person in any appreciable way. Its a preference, thats all. The argument for female mutilation of the clitorus and hood is to prevent to experience the enjoyment of sex. Its to prevent them from having a reason to cheat on their husbands. These are done in the most brutal and oppresive societies that subjugate women and treat them like cattle with little or no rights. The same cultures that also have honor killings where if the female of the family goes astray it is to the honor of the family to have her brothers, father, uncles, cousins kill her to maintain honor. The sociological differences alone involved with female mutilation are enormous. I cannot believe Lestat that you are being intellectually honest about comparing the two. I mean, cmon, really, so you like foreskins. But do you actually know what is wholistically involved with what you are comparing and contrasting, I know you do. I think that you are arguing folly but Id be interested to see you make those comparisons. Trust me, you cannot win that debate, but itd be a spirited exercise in reason if youd like. Im in an unusual mood as of late.

In the 1800 boys WERE circumcised to stop them from masturbating. Sounds like the same reason's for genital mutilation.
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Links please, I fail to see how anyone with a clue could surmise that having a circumcision would prevent masturbation. Sounds like some garbage off an anticircumcision website. Lets not talk junk science here.


Like most issues, I really couldnt care less but it is endlessly hilarious watching people distort truths and reality to build their argument for change, theyve learned the principles of marketing it seems. Marketing and "selling" their ideas with half truths. Circumcision is a simple medical procedure and done for aesthetic reasons, its that simple. There is nothing more. There are more direct thought experiments to understand cultures and societies and the silliness of societal norms than to use circumcisions as the core issue to flush out the sociological debate. But if you want to, hey, whatever
 
Mandinka2 said:
You're right - I don't care about YOUR penis. Cut it right off... go ahead..use a plastibell...according to scriptwhatever it won't even hurt !
I do care about a child's sexual integrity...especially when it has no choice in what others are doing to it. That is the point. Genius.
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lmao!!!!!!!

this is too good, best thread this year. someone getting so mad because my penis is cut.

well, i make all decisions for my children, period.

im taking my penis and leaving this thread. pssst!
 
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