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Cauliflower Ear

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Hey bros
All help would be appreciated on this thread from people with EXPERIENCE in good cycles...if you dont have many cycles under your belt I request that you just kick back thanks.
Height 6' 1"
wieght 195
23 years old
training: 5 days on the mat (grappling), 2 days striking, 3 days lifting
2 cycles under my belt
EQ 1-15 600mg/week
var 1-8 50mg ed
and
Test Prop
100mg eod 1-12

I made most of my gains from my Eq cycle (kept about 15lbs) but the test prop cycle probably left me with about 5 lbs as well.
I know most of you guys would have expected more compunds out of me...but to add to my list for fights i have done cheque drops and halo...also I am currently on Gh (hygetropin and blues) and my crit is about 53% from my EPO.

My proposed cycle is:
Test E 500mg ew
1-12
Deca 300mg ew
1-12
Dbol 30mg ed
1-4

I have been offered a bunch of fights at the next weight class up. So i want to keep 10 pounds. Thats all. I know I will bloat a bit. But would like to keep 10. Bro's with experience throw down
I will stay on gh 4iu ed and hcg clomid pct with aifm throughout
 
thats fine bro, you know what your doin ony thing i would up the deca and run the test alittle longer then it..


Test E 500mg ew
1-12 or 1-14
Deca 400mg ew
1-10 or 1-12
Dbol 30mg ed
1-4

i would add winny in at the end just to add in alittle more but thats just me! goodluck tho bro.
 
I would run the test about a week past the deca if libido is a problem, and I like hcg at 500iu's E5D throughout cycle rather then using it at the end

Looks like you know what you're doing bro, only thing I can add is do you know if you are prone to prolactin gyno? If so you'll need some cabergoline or one of those drugs used for that. Personally I would probably use var as a kicker for fighting because of the strength ( I was in taiquando for 10 years) and 10 pounds is more then reasonable for any combination of those compounds. Good luck bro
 
big greg 82 said:
thats fine bro, you know what your doin ony thing i would up the deca and run the test alittle longer then it..


Test E 500mg ew
1-12 or 1-14
Deca 400mg ew
1-10 or 1-12
Dbol 30mg ed
1-4

i would add winny in at the end just to add in alittle more but thats just me! goodluck tho bro.
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The only reason the deca is where it is is cause the first time i ran winny my joints dried up so bad after 5 days that i had to do a couple 200mg deca shots in the middle of my eq cycle to lube up my joints. With that little amount of deca I got a little bloated. So Thats why the deca is down there at 300mg...do you really think i should up it to 400mg

also as for the winny I will never touch the compound again...worst compound out there for fighters
 
JohnnyWest said:
I would run the test about a week past the deca if libido is a problem, and I like hcg at 500iu's E5D throughout cycle rather then using it at the end

Looks like you know what you're doing bro, only thing I can add is do you know if you are prone to prolactin gyno? If so you'll need some cabergoline or one of those drugs used for that. Personally I would probably use var as a kicker for fighting because of the strength ( I was in taiquando for 10 years) and 10 pounds is more then reasonable for any combination of those compounds. Good luck bro
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thanks bro,
Yeah im gonna use the hcg protocall of 1000iu ed for 10 days at the end. I dont think i am prone to prolactin gyno...but i might get ahold of that shit just in case...i have nolva...but that is no good for deca...
also, i have like var in the past. But i am trying to put on some weight. that is why i am gonna give dbol a shot. I have liked var in the past
thanks bro...keep comments coming
 
is the 500 iu of HCG sc or IM?
 
errn247 said:
is the 500 iu of HCG sc or IM?
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I was gonnna run it IM

but you guys think that 10lbs is a modest amount to expect to gain from this. Quickly, with the longer esters kicking in at about 6 weeks...will they help me keep the gains from dbol. Cause i know those gains are difficult to keep. the increase in protein synthesis is so phenominal....but i know that gains from both dbol and tbol are difficult to keep

keep the comments coming bros...thanks
 
my name wasnt listed.. but here goes!

cauli have you run dbol before? if deca bloats you kinda bad i wouldnt be suprised if you didnt enjoy dbol.. the water retention is almost unavoidable..

also.. have you thought about giving NPP a try? most discover less bloat with npp..im thinking its because the shorter ester doesnt allow the nan to build up to extremely high levels because of the phenylprop ester, long half life of deca undecy. causes your levels to go far above 400mg per week if your doing say e3d injects.

i dont know if all that made sense, i cant really explain it well i guess haha

if you like eq, why not run test/eq instead of deca, 10 lbs is an easily attainable goal with 12-14 weeks of test/eq/dbol the eq will help keep you vascular and the veins are real fun as im sure you know..
 
odoyal rulez said:
just curious why you decided to bulk in the spring/summer...
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because im not doing it to look good...although that is a byproduct....i am doing it cause i have lots of opportunity to fight at the weight above. So i wanna do a bulker to get there...besides..with all the grappling i do i dont hold much over 10%bf anyway..
 
jmead said:
my name wasnt listed.. but here goes!

cauli have you run dbol before? if deca bloats you kinda bad i wouldnt be suprised if you didnt enjoy dbol.. the water retention is almost unavoidable..

also.. have you thought about giving NPP a try? most discover less bloat with npp..im thinking its because the shorter ester doesnt allow the nan to build up to extremely high levels because of the phenylprop ester, long half life of deca undecy. causes your levels to go far above 400mg per week if your doing say e3d injects.

i dont know if all that made sense, i cant really explain it well i guess haha

if you like eq, why not run test/eq instead of deca, 10 lbs is an easily attainable goal with 12-14 weeks of test/eq/dbol the eq will help keep you vascular and the veins are real fun as im sure you know..
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hey bro, i appreciate the words...for me...i am sure dbol will bloat me...but i am willing to scarifice the bloat in order to gain 10lbs in the end...if i have to be bloated for a month so be it
Yes i have thought about npp....but i have both long acting esters right now an would like to use them. so i might use npp in the future...just not for this cycle
and as for the eq...i think i might even through some in there...but that is not for sure. But I have already done a heavy EQ cycle...But my receptors are bare to a test deca cycle....ever had both the compounds in there at the same time....so we shall see
 
training is never a problem....i think if anything was my achillies heel it would be i like to eat. I am pretty good though...diet looks like a chicken breast, 2 cans tuna, and 6 eggs ed....with 2 50 gram shakes...
aside from that i am pretty good about carbs
Rest is good..i try to get 8-9 everynight..expecially while on gh

thanks bros...keep comments coming...thanks guys
 
hey cauli how are you running the growth? i have an extra 50iu sittin in my fridge i could use and pick up another 100..

how long have you been on GH? if you dont mind gimme some details about your growth experience.. your around my age and i am always lookin to hear from younger people running growth
 
i have been on for 2 months...i am gonna stay on at 4iu ed for another 6....i have run it before for 6 months as well...but a lower dose...i ran 4iu eod

well, my growth experience has been good. I feel like overall if you start growth younger...your bones and tendons and all that gets stronger..so you can hold more muscle and be stronger...at your weight...so after teh first cycle i felt great...and now that I am running another one...i already feel good...Like i said...i just want all my connecters to be as strong as possible

bump for any more experience...thanks jmead
 
did you ramp up to 4iu EOD or you just started there? your doing twice a day injects i suppose? any other specific things that you do JUST BECAUSE your on growth.. diet wise..
 
i just started at 4iu eod...i was fine...but now i am on 4iu ed...and yes i split my doses

Just started the bulker today...shot 250mg test e and 150mg deca
 
hey bro, okay im not a newb just a new account, but why dont you consider throwing in eq or somthing in place of either the deca or test? i realize that a deca and eq cycle would be quite supressive, hoever youre going to be 100% shut down with that cycle as well. you could probably recover just fine, i have recovered fine fome my deca only cycles and tren only cycles. im just thinking it looks like you will be holding a good bit of water will all those compounds, and im thinking eq will probably help with endurance. and you said you made best gains with eq, so why not go with it? i really like deca though. its on you bro, but consider eq another run
 
you see any sides from jumping right into 4iu ED? as far as numbness or any other common sides?

good luck with the cycle bro
 
mrwhiterightsnow said:
hey bro, okay im not a newb just a new account, but why dont you consider throwing in eq or somthing in place of either the deca or test? i realize that a deca and eq cycle would be quite supressive, hoever youre going to be 100% shut down with that cycle as well. you could probably recover just fine, i have recovered fine fome my deca only cycles and tren only cycles. im just thinking it looks like you will be holding a good bit of water will all those compounds, and im thinking eq will probably help with endurance. and you said you made best gains with eq, so why not go with it? i really like deca though. its on you bro, but consider eq another run
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Thanks snow...that is a good call and i appreciate all imput....but as you can see many people make great gains with things they have now cycled before...That is why i really want to give deca a run...besides...deca is far more anabolic than bolderone...and Like i said i am moving up a weight class and need a keepable 10 pounds...so i wanna give myself all the shots to get there.
Thanks for the input..i may throw eq in the mix anyway :)
 
i kept actually all the gains made from my deca cycle, i was quite surprised, i maybe lost 2-3 pounds tops, gained about 10-15 i dont remember. i ran at 350mg e/w for 7 weeks and stoped due to gyno
 
jmead said:
hey cauli how are you running the growth? i have an extra 50iu sittin in my fridge i could use and pick up another 100..

how long have you been on GH? if you dont mind gimme some details about your growth experience.. your around my age and i am always lookin to hear from younger people running growth
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hey bro im not cauli but I am a fellow fighter. 28 years old and I started running growth recently after speaking to cauli about it. I am running 2 iu ed and the first thing that I noticed right off the bat was that the whites of my eyes have never been whiter, I am sleeping better and pumps seem to be better. My main goal with running it is to repair injuries from bjj. So far so good I love it.
 
rfowler said:
hey bro im not cauli but I am a fellow fighter. 28 years old and I started running growth recently after speaking to cauli about it. I am running 2 iu ed and the first thing that I noticed right off the bat was that the whites of my eyes have never been whiter, I am sleeping better and pumps seem to be better. My main goal with running it is to repair injuries from bjj. So far so good I love it.
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yeah i love gh for its maintance purposes...i feel like it keeps all my joints strong and hopefully injury free
 
bro, try this:

wk 1-12 test @ 500mg
wk 1-10 deca @ 400mg
wk 1-6 dbol @ 50mg ed

run deca at 400mg/wk minimum, keep dbol steady at 50mg for 6 weeks, when it ends the inject kick in hard
 
jronimoe15 said:
you most likely want get any feedback from ulter and mac on here cauli.
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I have already bumped for mac and ulter...back on the first page...they have helped me out a lot before...im surprized they havent shown up..
 
lifthard2005 said:
bro, try this:

wk 1-12 test @ 500mg
wk 1-10 deca @ 400mg
wk 1-6 dbol @ 50mg ed

run deca at 400mg/wk minimum, keep dbol steady at 50mg for 6 weeks, when it ends the inject kick in hard
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why do you suggest going to that much deca...i would like to have my test well over my deca for prevention of deca sides...besides when i ran it before i got bloated on only 200mg of deca ew...so i wanna stick with 300...thanks bro
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
I have already bumped for mac and ulter...back on the first page...they have helped me out a lot before...im surprized they havent shown up..
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i think they are banned if im not mistaken? or possibly just not around anymore, at their board now
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
I have already bumped for mac and ulter...back on the first page...they have helped me out a lot before...im surprized they havent shown up..
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probably won't show up..........most likely on another board.............pm me or email me, you've got my hushmail addy..........i'll let you know how to reach them.
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
Hey bros
All help would be appreciated on this thread from people with EXPERIENCE in good cycles...if you dont have many cycles under your belt I request that you just kick back thanks.
Height 6' 1"
wieght 195
23 years old
training: 5 days on the mat (grappling), 2 days striking, 3 days lifting
2 cycles under my belt
EQ 1-15 600mg/week
var 1-8 50mg ed
and
Test Prop
100mg eod 1-12

I made most of my gains from my Eq cycle (kept about 15lbs) but the test prop cycle probably left me with about 5 lbs as well.
I know most of you guys would have expected more compunds out of me...but to add to my list for fights i have done cheque drops and halo...also I am currently on Gh (hygetropin and blues) and my crit is about 53% from my EPO.

My proposed cycle is:
Test E 500mg ew
1-12
Deca 300mg ew
1-12
Dbol 30mg ed
1-4

I have been offered a bunch of fights at the next weight class up. So i want to keep 10 pounds. Thats all. I know I will bloat a bit. But would like to keep 10. Bro's with experience throw down
I will stay on gh 4iu ed and hcg clomid pct with aifm throughout
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drop the dbol. its gonna wreak havoc on your back from the grappling. it might not be as bad at 30mgs per day, i was at 50mgs, and i dropped it in a hurry because I was getting severe cramps in my lower back from the dbol and the grappling.

you want a good cycle, just go with the test (500mgs per week) and the deca (400mgs per week), and 4 I.U.'s of gH per day.

do you run the risk of getting tested for steroids (most amateur ranks dont test, but pro's do) if so, don't mess with deca, and switch to a shorter test ester, like Prop. run that by itself with your gH, and just increase your diet. keep in mind that Deca can be detectable in your system for up to 18 months.

personally, I don't think that EQ helps much for cardio. If you can get a hold of it, go with masteron.
 
thanks bro..i am giving dbol test deca a run because i just finished nationals....so i am taking a little break from grappling and I am going to bulk up to the next weight class...so if i have to be hindered for a little bit to get where i wanna go..thats cool...ill get there.
thanks bro
cauli
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
thanks bro..i am giving dbol test deca a run because i just finished nationals....so i am taking a little break from grappling and I am going to bulk up to the next weight class...so if i have to be hindered for a little bit to get where i wanna go..thats cool...ill get there.
thanks bro
cauli
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good luck bro. what weight class are you fighting in? i just started training. i would be light heavies, but they make me train with the heavy weights, because of my strength (former power lifter). practices are brutal, as I give up 40lbs+ to everyone that i go against. but it will make me better, and make it that much easier when I go against people in my own weight class
 
im a heavy weight...
fighting is great...i hope you are enjoying it

anyway....just finished week 2....im am already up about 6-7 lbs...dont feel bloated but i must be holding water
I have been on 30mg dbol ed
500mg test e ew
400mg deca ew (yes i uped the deca)

so i will continue to update...but all is good right now...weight is good...cals are good...training is good...will update
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
im a heavy weight...
fighting is great...i hope you are enjoying it

anyway....just finished week 2....im am already up about 6-7 lbs...dont feel bloated but i must be holding water
I have been on 30mg dbol ed
500mg test e ew
400mg deca ew (yes i uped the deca)

so i will continue to update...but all is good right now...weight is good...cals are good...training is good...will update
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I too will be fighting heavyweight next fight. I always walked around at 212 and could cut to 205 no prob, now I am 242....check your pm bro.
 
i like heavyweight....but i am not as heavy as you...for me....i learned all my jiu-jitsu and striking as a small fast guy....then when i started lifting i blew up...now i utilize small guy techniques with a big guys power...really has worked wonders for my fighting...yeah i checked my pms....i like chequedrops if you get good ones...i like it about 30-45mins prefight....pretty wicked shit
 
Do you REALLY need to use Deca?? Personally I hate it. I think EQ is superior to it..more androgenic and only SLIGHTLY less anabolic. EQ has less chance of prog. activity. I'd up the test to 750mg and drop the Deca..maybe add 4-600mg of EQ in place of Deca. You're right, winny sucks...esp for fighters..HAVOC on joints..with 4ius of GH I think your joints will be fine W/O Deca...your call bro
 
thanks bro...but as you see from my previous cycles listed in my first post...i have already done a 15 weeker of eq...it was my first cycle and i gained like a mother fucker on it...i love eq and will always love it.
but for this cycle i would like to use something that my receptors are bare for...i have never run deca for long...i threw it in for 2 weeks when my joints dryed out from winny on my first cycle...but i haven't touched it since then and i only shot 200mg twice...
so my receptors will be good and fresh and i will get my proposed gain of 10 lbs of lean body mass(after the bloat subsides)

by the way, the dbol is amazing...i see why bodybuilders love it...pumps are phenominal...i feel so strong in the gym and i am feeling great...so the dbol is underway full force and test and deca are still on their second week in my system
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
thanks bro...but as you see from my previous cycles listed in my first post...i have already done a 15 weeker of eq...it was my first cycle and i gained like a mother fucker on it...i love eq and will always love it.
but for this cycle i would like to use something that my receptors are bare for...i have never run deca for long...i threw it in for 2 weeks when my joints dryed out from winny on my first cycle...but i haven't touched it since then and i only shot 200mg twice...
so my receptors will be good and fresh and i will get my proposed gain of 10 lbs of lean body mass(after the bloat subsides)

by the way, the dbol is amazing...i see why bodybuilders love it...pumps are phenominal...i feel so strong in the gym and i am feeling great...so the dbol is underway full force and test and deca are still on their second week in my system
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dbol is my personal anti-depressant! gotta love the way it makes you feel.

the fighting (training) is going great. you say that you have have the technique of the small guy, and are using it on the big guys. me, i got the power of a big guy (because of my PLing experience) and am using that on the smaller guys. it has made it very hard for the people in my weight class to submit me. can't wait till i get my technique dialed in, and then can use both strength, and technique together. should be interesting.
 
Illuminati said:
dbol is my personal anti-depressant! gotta love the way it makes you feel.

the fighting (training) is going great. you say that you have have the technique of the small guy, and are using it on the big guys. me, i got the power of a big guy (because of my PLing experience) and am using that on the smaller guys. it has made it very hard for the people in my weight class to submit me. can't wait till i get my technique dialed in, and then can use both strength, and technique together. should be interesting.
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My strengths are my hand speed and my punching power, My chin is also a strength. My weaknesses as a fighter are a result of my strengths. I tend to want to stand with everyone. Being that I only have 2 yrs of bjj under my belt I have plenty of room to get better on the ground. I have a tendency to give my back to much which in many cases is ok because I can almost always spin back into guard using my strength but it cause me to exert to much energy. Hopefully I never have to fight any of you guys since you know my weaknesses. lol
 
tren is sick... now on my 3rd week... watch your sodium for sure, water... you the know the protocall... but seriously. I'm feeling good, lean, strong. Thats the best part is being lean and strong, not bloated from test or look like miflin man. haha. good luck bro, get on the tren
 
danymal04 said:
tren is sick... now on my 3rd week... watch your sodium for sure, water... you the know the protocall... but seriously. I'm feeling good, lean, strong. Thats the best part is being lean and strong, not bloated from test or look like miflin man. haha. good luck bro, get on the tren
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tren...you crazy man...im not gonna throw that in the mix yet...i wanna save some compounds for later in life :) but thanks for the experience...i know you are on a prop mast tren ace compo right now huh? its been working well for ya?
 
yeah, this stuff is going well man. I'm impressed as to what it is doing, nothing super but good enough to where I dont notice any sides but all good things. Only runnin another week and half. I'll update my thread on how the last week goes. Def give it a try later on though bro.. you'll enjoy it.
 
danymal04 said:
yeah, this stuff is going well man. I'm impressed as to what it is doing, nothing super but good enough to where I dont notice any sides but all good things. Only runnin another week and half. I'll update my thread on how the last week goes. Def give it a try later on though bro.. you'll enjoy it.
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Im sure i will

weight is up 7 pounds right now
 
Hey bro's just wanted to give you guys and update!
okay so i am on week 4
I am gonna finish the dbol this week...was at 30mg ed and went up to 40mg ed last week...so i am gonna finish at 40mg ed
deca and test are the same and the homie is throwing me some primo that i will close with.
As of weight gain..i am up 11 lbs. I am sure all but 1 or 2 pounds is water although i feel suprizingly hard and tough...cardio is not affected in the training.
i really want to say here at 202 after the cycle...so i figure if i can get up to 210 or something on cycle...then it should be easy to keep a solid 202 of LBM...what do you guys think...nips are a little sore...i am on 2 pumps aifm ed...
what do you guys think...any recomendations...just keep gaining :)
 
keep it up bro, doin test/deca/dbol myself at the moment,

sittin 6'5'' 256 right now,probably 9-10%.. just started my 4th week, my doses are a little higher than yours though, and im running 5iu growth 5on2off

honestly bro i think youd be suprised how much of the mass youll keep if you keep the dbol kind of low and solidify the gains after you come off.. id bump the aifm to 3-4 pumps ED, 2 am 2 pm, or get some aromasin from homie, gyno issues with test/deca aint no punk.. you want to keep estro at bay to minimize prog activity..
 
cool,thanks jmead..yeah i am still on 5 iu ed of blues...i just like to split the bottles of growth....fuckin makes things easier....but i have another box of hyge...so when i switch to the hyge after this box of blues i will go to 4iu ed just for splitting issues...but i have a gang of blues in the fridge so i will be back at 5iu ed pretty quick..just wanna go ahead and change up my growth.
Yeah the dbol is low and is only for the first 4 weeks...I dont think i need higher doesages of the test and deca cause i am only 200lbs(in the morning post dump) with this being my 3rd cycle...so these dosages are working fine...i am thinking about running primo at 600mg we for 6 weeks at the end to really solidify my gains...i would probably run it 3weeks with the test and deca and then run it 3 weeks past...what do you think...with that help me dry out and keep all my gains?
thanks jmead...all others input appreciated if you have EXPERIENCE...if you have an opinion save it...like i said i really want to just be a really solid 205-208 when i am done..so anything to help me get there...thanks bros
 
ive never run primo so cant comment there, im actually thinking of using it in my cycle, but i planned on running it 6 weeks in for 4 weeks of the test/deca, then throughout my tren/prop/winny ending(6 weeks)

if i was you id scoop up some proviron and run it 50mg ED, it really helped me dry out on my last bulking cycle and keep the water off and has its AI benefits.. are you runnin any type of AI?

how old are you again bro? if i remember correctly your mid 20s? its always fun having someone run a similar cycle

one thing with the primo, just remember its an enanthate ester, i think 6 weeks would be too short of time to yeild its full potential.. i might be wrong though dont have much experience, but ive mostly seen 8-10 weeks on primo to be standard.

good luck bro keep me updated on progess, will do so also
 
cool on the primo i appreciate you saying you dont have personal experience with it and not flapping like you do like lots of fools do.
I am running aifm at 2 pumps ed...but i could consider primo...nips are a little sore...but not puffy
I am 23...3rd cycle...along with 5mg of igf throughout and i have done 1 9month cycle of gh...and i am 3 months into another 9monther
yeah i have enough for 6 weeks really high...gonna try and run at 800mg
Yeah, i love the update...shoot me some when you got um...
 
well the dbol is in full swing now.. hittin hard.. headaches are kinda annoying, but my bench jumping up about 20lbs in a week really felt nice up to 258lbs im sure theres some water, but im using heavy AI's so well see.. i have 8000mg of primo on the way now.. just to have it if anything.. haha
 
yeah i am excited to give primo a whirl...i just think of it as like old school cause arnold was so into it...kinda fun to hit compounds that the old dudes were into...anyway i will report my stats when i throw that into the mix.
As for now, my cardio seems to be suffering...im not sure if it is the added weight...or the dbol specifically cause i have heard that that impairs cardio...but i am having to slow down every day when i grapple...take my time passing the guard and submitting guys cause when i flurry now i get tired....probably cause i have put on ten pounds...new weight makes you gas at first...
will update :)
 
the only thing i dont like about dbol is the constant lower back pumps, even just walking around my apartment i feel a tightness in my back, deadlifts are a BITCH..

i dont like cardio, so i dont do it :D
 
yeah i dont do extra cardio.....except for running stairs or this gnarly sand dune near my house...but most of my cardio comes from grappling...the back pumps havent been too bad for me...i just feel gased when i grapple for a while
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
cool,thanks jmead..yeah i am still on 5 iu ed of blues...i just like to split the bottles of growth....fuckin makes things easier....but i have another box of hyge...so when i switch to the hyge after this box of blues i will go to 4iu ed just for splitting issues...but i have a gang of blues in the fridge so i will be back at 5iu ed pretty quick..just wanna go ahead and change up my growth.
Yeah the dbol is low and is only for the first 4 weeks...I dont think i need higher doesages of the test and deca cause i am only 200lbs(in the morning post dump) with this being my 3rd cycle...so these dosages are working fine...i am thinking about running primo at 600mg we for 6 weeks at the end to really solidify my gains...i would probably run it 3weeks with the test and deca and then run it 3 weeks past...what do you think...with that help me dry out and keep all my gains?
thanks jmead...all others input appreciated if you have EXPERIENCE...if you have an opinion save it...like i said i really want to just be a really solid 205-208 when i am done..so anything to help me get there...thanks bros
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its good to hear an update on your cycle, and that the dbol isn't killing your back at 30mg's. i too think you will think you will be surprised by how much you can keep from this cycle. you just have to keep your food intake up. that will be the key. you will lose some of your strength gains though. primo is a great product when used right, but i think there are some better choices that might cost a lot less...like say my best friend TREN.

what does your training schedule look like?
 
tren is a no no cause it really hinders endurance...i wanna stay away from it. dbol is not killing the back...i am not sure why...pumps are good though. trying to keep food intake as high as possible :) 200g's of whole food protein ed...and 2 shakes 50 g's each.
training schedual is grappling 6 days a week...cardio 1 or 2...lifting 3....legs back chest...just the major muscle groups and i like to go heavy.

as for the cycle...dbol is finished...gonna swap eq for deca for the last 8 weeks i think...cause i would really like primo to take full hardening effect...dont want the deca bloat to hinder it.
still right around 200lbs...trying to go to a lean hard 205.... getting close...was about 191 before cycle...i am 4 solid weeks in
 
cool man yeah i will...to tell you the truth...my cam got stolen one night about 2 month ago and just havent got around to getting a new one...guess i'll just have my lady take um...
 
My crit is high...around 50-51...before big fights i like to do a little loading phase to get my crit up to 55%....but I am not a cyclist...so i dont need to do 6 month long epo cycles...i just like to get it up and let it drop off after a fight
 
okay guys...changin it up.
so the weight gain is good...i am a couple pounds from where i wanna be...im am around 200lbs...looking and feeling good.
so i dropped the deca...i was running aifm 3 pumps ed and i still got sensative nips and I really dont wanna say this..but my nips feel like there is a little soft stuff behind them...it is not noticable...and when i flex you cant pinch anything...but if you feel there is def a little soft stuff there...so i REALLY hope that goes away.
I went up to 6 pumps ed of aifm and ran clomid at 100mg ed for the last 3 days to try and ward it off...I also purchased some aromasin and will run that 20mg ed until that soft shit is gone...nips aren't even really puffy..just sensitive.
so yeah deca is droped and eq was frontloaded at a gram for last week and this week...keep the test at 500mg and dbol is done.
Also, I have had this beautiful primo lying around...so i went ahead and slamed 600mg yesterday...gonna run like that for 4 weeks....really wanna harden up and make sure that soft stuff does not form into gyno...or at least hardened gyno.
so the rest of the 12 weeker looks like this
weeks 4- 12
test e 500mg ew
eq 600mg ew
weeks 4-7 primo
600mg ew
then i am gonna run something for the last 4 to really fuckin harden me up...reall havent decided yet...i just wanna solidify all my hard earned gains...so if anyone has any recomendations shoot...
before you do though
I hate winny...fighters can't have dry joints
var is ok...ran it as high as 100mg
masteron????no experience
tren????no experience
another 4 weeks of primo???
fire away bros!!
o yeah...and i am still on 4iu ed...will go back to 5 iu ed when i finish this box of hyge and go back to the blues...I like to do my gh in half bottles at a time...just keeps everything easier for me :)
 
I read this whole thread and it's very informative. There are a few things that I wanna bring up. Cauli, you're a fighter...I dont know really why you would wanna use primo. I've used it a few times but I'm not a fighter, I used to box, but I wouldnt use primo if I was a fighter. IMO its more a cosmetic aas. Again, you could think I'm completely wrong, this is just my opinion. In regards to dbol and deca bloat, you can run dbol at a lower dose (20-30mg) and with adex or aromasin the bloat wouldnt be that bad at all. Same with deca...you can use npp instead and the bloat wouldnt be that bad. Prop/npp/dbol wouldnt be a bad choice. IMO I think tren would be a great choice as I've ran it a couple of times, once when I boxed. It does hurt the cardio a bit but you can work through it.

my .2 cents.
 
boston789 said:
I read this whole thread and it's very informative. There are a few things that I wanna bring up. Cauli, you're a fighter...I dont know really why you would wanna use primo. I've used it a few times but I'm not a fighter, I used to box, but I wouldnt use primo if I was a fighter. IMO its more a cosmetic aas. Again, you could think I'm completely wrong, this is just my opinion. In regards to dbol and deca bloat, you can run dbol at a lower dose (20-30mg) and with adex or aromasin the bloat wouldnt be that bad at all. Same with deca...you can use npp instead and the bloat wouldnt be that bad. Prop/npp/dbol wouldnt be a bad choice. IMO I think tren would be a great choice as I've ran it a couple of times, once when I boxed. It does hurt the cardio a bit but you can work through it.

my .2 cents.
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thanks boston for chiming in...was waiting for ya! yeah this thread has become rather informative.
I went with some primo cause it was given to me..we all know how expensive primo is....so i was really happy.
So i am giving it a try...as i said...i feel i have made some good gains but i really want to use primo to solidfy them.
Yeah i ran aifm 4 pumps ed for the bloat of dbol....for me...wasnt enough. I have aromasin coming..will use that for the rest of my cycle.
I have also considered npp but i wanted to go with some longer ester gear this time cause i am always doing prop cycles. fuckin sick of the eod injects and my sore glutes. but maybe for a future cycle :)
i am considering tren for the closer. I have a fighter friend that said that tren hex at about 250mg ew didnt harm his cardio and really hardened him up...i just want something to...as i said....solidify my test/eq gains for moving up a weight class. I am already the wieght i wanna be but i am not as dense as i usually am...so i wanna get to like 202 shredded...my bf is 10.7% as of yesterday...so i really want to just work for the rest of the cycle to solidify these gains.
any other bros on solidifying gains, experience only
 
don't have much time to write right now, but go with Masteron if you can get your hands on it. it does wonders for hardening. not to mention that it doesn't kill your endurance, if anything, i feel it helped mine. masteron is something that most people don't know much about, mainly because so few people run it. i had great success with it, and plan to run again in the near future.

as far as fighting, i would tren would be great. i didn't see it affecting my cardio much, and it increased my aggression. so for me the trade off was well worth it. plus the strength gains from Tren are some of the best.
 
thanks bro...i got my compounds down for fighting..test around 350mg, growth 2iu ed, halo 10 days pre fight at 20mg, cheque drops 45 mins pre fight....that is my fight stack...along with EPO
if your a fighter i would recomend this combo...its my favorite
 
Well. With all that cardio you are gettting you better be eating a shit load of cals if you hope to bulk. Your cals is the number one thing that will dictate if you are gaining or loosing. Steroid cycle looks good but not as important as the food.

Perp
 
perp69 said:
Well. With all that cardio you are gettting you better be eating a shit load of cals if you hope to bulk. Your cals is the number one thing that will dictate if you are gaining or loosing. Steroid cycle looks good but not as important as the food.

Perp
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thanks perp....i am between 4500 and 5500 ed..
 
Roc86 said:
What org you fighting for bro? kotc?
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I have fought KOTC, GC, TFA....and some underground shit...i prefer just straight grappling...I hope I will make the abu Dabi trails next year...I have placed in the world championships of brazilian jiu-jitsu the past 2 years...the pan american as well...placed the past 2 years...
 
rfowler said:
what is epo?
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only the most performance driven compound know to man....gets your RBC count at 55%...then you have more cardio, recover quicker, and have more power than anyone....nothing else changed the style of my fighting like epo
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
only the most performance driven compound know to man....gets your RBC count at 55%...then you have more cardio, recover quicker, and have more power than anyone....nothing else changed the style of my fighting like epo
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I rowed on a top5 crew team in college and was trying incredibly hard to find EPO. It was as elusive as the dodo bird in 1994. I wish it was as available then as it is today :rolleyes:
 
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