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Cardio is Bullshit

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Im on a diet now(like 2500-3000)calories per day & am losing weight pretty rapidly after only a week doing this. I do this every once & awhile to cut up & am lucky since I can put on weight & take it off quite easily. The thing is is that I was daydreaming at the gym the other day & it started to hit me that cardio is a waste of time. I usually do a light cardio due to terrible shin splints, and am burning about 200 cals per 25 minute session. Anyway, it hit me that 200 cals is like a tall glass of friggin Orange Juice for Christs sake. I mean, I started to have a problem with my weight like 3 years ago & i never saw any decrease in BF until I cut my calories. That despite doing intense cardio for 30 minutes & burning like 400 cals every other day. My question is to you guys.....Do you think that it is even worth doing cardio if caloric intake vs. calories burned is basically what it boils down to? And the fact that even burning 400 caloried a day isn't jack if your taking in 6000-10000 cals. Any thoughts?
 
More power to you if you dont have to do cardio. Consider yourself one of the lucky few. even if you dont have to do it to lose weight, it might be a good idea to do a little to keep your heart healthy.

-Chuck
 
hmmm

Well my thoughts on cardio are that when done selectively at the appropiate times, you can get your body to burn calories from better sources then it normally would. In effect burning more calories from fat then from muscle protein breakdown.

Just have a look at the difference between natural bbers nowadays and naturals a while back i would say that one of the biggest differences is that we do cardio nowadays. Sure the supps and experience about food has gotten a lot better too but hey cardio sucks but it works my 2 cents.

P.s. 10000 cals??? wtf man
 
Yo dog. You have just spelled out the biggest myth in the fitness industry. I don't let any of my competitors do any cardio. Calories in calories out. All the cardio in the world is not going to help if you are eating 500 cal more than maintenence. And if you are dieting properly cardio will cause to mush muscle loss.
 
Chuck T said:
More power to you if you dont have to do cardio. Consider yourself one of the lucky few. even if you dont have to do it to lose weight, it might be a good idea to do a little to keep your heart healthy.

-Chuck
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Good point. But as far as losing weight, it is quite insignificant if your diet is a joke--and really doesn't need to be done if your diet is tight. Would you agree with that? Remember now, your getting a good healthy heart while lifting too.
 
Cardio is for the heart. If you do it to lose fat, just work at a lower pulse rate and go for a longer time. Personally, I do cardio for my heart.
 
As far as diet goes....I was listening to an interview that was done with that chick from the last "Survivor" show---the one who was a personal trainer---she said that once she gets in the shape she wants to be in, that she will keep a good solid diet Monday-Friday, and eat what she wanted on the weekend. I thought this was a good idea. Again, only AFTER you reach your desired shape did she say to do this----its a good maintenance program----that is unless your traing for a show.
 
Some people refer to this as a cheat day. Ill bet the "whatever she wants" is not pizza and cheeseburgers What Im trying to say is yes you can carbload etc. But you still dont want to get carried away.
 
I feel perfectly fine doing cardio. I eat what healthy and i look good.

Cardio is more on the annoying side
 
Yeah, it is on the annoying side but I have gotten used to waking up and doing it in the morning. It help me to wake up. It feels really weird when I dont do it. But I'm trying to cut back now and just adjust my diet.
 
I do some cardio after lifting just because it reduces muscle soreness. For weight loss it seems a lot more effective to watch your diet and use DNP. :D
 
Whats up Chuck? Now your onboard. Too many people use cardio as a crutch in cutting thinking that eating clean can be avoided. But an hour on the old treaded does not equal a Mars bar.
 
I don't think cardio is bullshit ( although I used to think that ) but you do have to put it into perspective.

It isn't the be all and end all of loseing body fat , it is meant to be used as part of a quality weight training plan and diet. Your right that a cardio session can burn 200calories which isn't very much but look at the big picture:

When I prepare for a competition I used to do almost no cardio because I didn't see much benifit in it and the risk of loseing muscle was higher so I realied on my diet. I found that I did get good results but in the long run the results and the diet would be better if I did cardio. For example , I will do 2 cardio sessions a day for 5 days a week that will burn approx. 200 calories per session. I do carido either first thing in the morning or after a workout because that is when your glycegen is at it's lowest and if the cardio is of low intensity you will use stored body fat as energy. This means that in one month of cardio I will have the following result:

200 calories X 2 per day X 5 days a week X 4 weeks = 8000calories

At 190lbs I would lose approx. 1.25% bodyfat in that one month.

Now 1.25% isn't much but on top of weight training 4 times a week and eating strict 5-6 says a week that can mean a total loss of 4% bodyfat in that month ( which is noticeable ).

If you train and diet well with this cardio plan for 3 months the cardio alone can burn almost 4% bodyfat on top of the bodyfat you lost from the diet.

What this all means is that it does help lose bodyfat but I agree it isn't the most important thing. What people don't realize is that weight training burns alot more calories and 30minutes on the treadmill. A 45min intense weight training session can burn 600-700 calories at a bodyweight of 190 which is the equivilent to 1 hour of cardio.

For me the diet is what causes the greatest loss in bodyfat , weight training second , and cardio third. However all three together can maximize the body fat reduction in a given period of time.

The only other reason for cardio is for overall cardiovasculer health and to increase endurance.
 
Ronin Well put. The concept that Im trying to emphasize here is that cardio is not a replacement or comparible to a solid diet .
 
The combination of nutrition, lifting, and cardio has gotten me the results i desire. Very lean and vascular. I personally like the ripped/cut appearance and try not to sway far from it. Nutrition is definitely the number one priority though. I do cardio to exercise my heart and to get the awesome "high" as the result of endorphins or feel good chemicals. The feeling to me is very addictive.
 
I learned from experience that that cardio is good for one thing - taking the fullness look away from you and your muscles. Last year I went from 175 to 195 then when I went to "try" and get cut, I burnt all the muscle I had gained so I wound up the exact same damn size:mad: This year brings me to my first cycle of which I have gone from 171 to 193 and still growing. I know now to take it easy on the cardio and hopefully I will be able to preserve my hard earned muscle through my diet better this time around.
-Chuck
 
My workouts are more intense since I started incorporating cardio into evry workout. Maybe just 10 minutes or so, but I noticed the ability to increase the intensity of lifting has gone up.


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10,000 calories a day? WWWTTTTFFFF?!?!?!?!?!

Is that all butter, or a stack of butter, cream, and candy bars?

I would love to be able to get in 5,000 without gagging on every piece of food I put in my mouth.
 
Chuck T said:
I learned from experience that that cardio is good for one thing - taking the fullness look away from you and your muscles.
?????? Cardio increases oxygen in the muscles, therefore fuller rounder look...
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Im not an expert by any means. I have heard that it also decreases your muscle glycogen, so it keeps your muscles from being as full?????Or maybe its just the fact that I have skinny ass arms.LOL

You could be right, I'm not being a smart ass but that is happened to me in my experience. I was probably going about it wrong too, but I am not going to do it the same way this time!!

And I also agree that it increases your metab for the rest of the day.

-Chuck
 
bro..some are genetically gifted, as for the rest...cardio is necsesary. I hate it with my life, but when bulking, its best to do it at least 2wice a week so you dont get too fat. Ive learned that unless your overdossing on fat loss drugs or AS, cardio will 1. Prevent you from getting fatter. 2. Speed up metabolism and give you more energy which helps during weightlifting 3. Burn fat. I know that you think its shit cause your consuming so many calories and burning so little on the machine. Any cardio is better than no cardio. The only way ive' lost fat in the past is with cardio and diet. just make sure your on the Right AS and cardio will only aid in your workouts. i usually do 10 minutes chill, then speed up the next 10-20 minutes so that my ass sweats...i dont count caloires i burned or anything..i know i burned FAT when ive done cardio for more than 20 minutes and im sweating like a pig.

Then again there's always DNP
 
Yeah you may think cardio is BS now but what if you end up in the hospital years down the road with heart problmes, it bet you would have wished you took care of your heart now. My dad just went through a triple bypass at 48yoa and cardio is what saved his life as he really started doing a lot of it within the past couple years. I'll stick to doing cardio staying as healthy as possable thank you

M18
 
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Yes that is a point that hasn't been mentioned in this thread. I don't want to be a huge guy that can't climb a flight of stairs without stopping at the landing for a rest.

I want to be the next Jack Lalane!
 
I think cardio is overrated, in terms of fat burning. It does burn fat, but not as efficient as it was made to sound by many. Cardiovascular exercises were documented to elevate GH release however. It does raise metabolism. And its healthy for the heart, so moderate cardio won't hurt.
 
intense cardio is not the way to go. u might think its great to look at the treadmill after a 30min run and have it tell u, youve burned double what u would have burned on 30min walk. but, all you r burning on that 30min run is glycogen and muscle tissue. whereas on a 30 min walk you will burn much more fat.

as well, you dont start to burn much fat until 20min of cardio.
so, go for a 45min brisk walk(4-5mile/hour) after every workout. your fat loss should increase.

or u could throw in some clen,t3 :D
 
cardio gives me the energy and endurance to run from the cops and lost them each and every time. sad but true, lots of big ass BBs can't even last 10 min in the ring.
 
I think it basically comes down to everyone is different. True any cardio at all is good for the heart, but as for weight loss, everyone reacts differently to it. Find what works for you and stick with it!

-Chuck
 
Unless you are specifically a BB or training for bulk only, any kind of cross training is good for your fitness and also for small muscles, tendons, etc.

I roller blade. Not only does it do wonders for overall fitness, tendons, etc, but there are things it does for the lower back, abs, calves, and even triceps that I swear I'm not getting from weights alone.

Low intensity long burning exercise seems to help the abs and calves in particular, doing more for me than if I just try to hit them in the gym.

Too much cardio will screw up your lifts though. Groin gets tired from too much blading, then I can't squat for a couple days.
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
Yeah you may think cardio is BS now but what if you end up in the ____mospital___ years down the road with heart problmes, it bet you would have wished you took care of your heart now. My dad just went through a triple bypass at 48yoa and cardio is what saved his life as he really started doing a lot of it within the past couple years. I'll stick to doing cardio staying as healthy as possable thank you

M18
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I've been to Canada however i didn't see any of these so called "Mospital's" You're referring to. Maybe i was "Moseing" in the wrong places.!!!!! AHAhahahAHAHAAhHAHA!!!!! RADAR;)
 
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Ash345 said:
I hope this is a joke! The whole idea of cardio work is not to just burn cals. it is about -- keeping yourself fit and building endurance! Do not do long drawn out cardio routines -- go with short high intensity -- 20-25 mins. (wind sprints) -- Heavy bag work ect..
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the guy sounds like he is tryin lose fat, so im givin him some advice that might help him.
i know that cardio is good for staying fit, but if losing fat is your primary objective, then longer slower paced cardio sesions is what should work.
 
Cardio Negatively Impacts Strength Training

An article from Physical Sep 2001 issue cited a study from France that appeared in the International Journal of Sports Medicine.

12 competitive triathletes were tested for peak torque of the knee extensors, electromyographic (EMG) activity of the inner and outer thighs, and the height of a counter-movement jump (starting from a standing position, squatting and then jumping). When quadriceps muscle strength was analyzed after the run, researchers found a significant loss in jumping ability and a loss in the eccentric contraction capabilities of both inner and outer thighs.

The decrease in muscular strength followed prolonged running exercise seems to be dependent upon the type of muscular contraction, with a greater loss occurring in eccentric actions that concentric ones. The larger eccentric strength loss was not due to a reduction in neural input but rather to a failure of the contractile mechanism, particularly in fast-twitch fibers.

RECOMMENDATION: Try varying the days on which you do heavy cardiovascular exercise. Do your serious aerobic work on the days you train your upper body, and lay off the running on your leg days.
 
HOw about this!

When i'm on contest diet i can keep on with much higher cal intake when i'm doing cardio every day!
The difference is that you can hold much more muscle mass AND get ripped!When you lower cal to much , you'll lose fat AND a lot of lean body mass!That's the difference!Also for the heart cardio is a must !!!
 
you dont have to run a marathon to do some cardio, a couple of 20 minute sessions a week will do fine, there are to many benefits of cardio not to do it. One of the limiting factors in building muscle is the ability to supply nutrients to the muscle, this can be made more efficient by doing cardio. Also i personally would sooner drop 200cals from my diet and burn 200 cals doing cardio rather than doing 400 of just 1.
 
200 cals??

What kind of cardio do you do to burn only 200 cals in 20 minutes? I burn about 600-700 calories in that time! I use the exercise bike on the highest resistance level (on a resistance scale with 25 levels). I pedal at about 50 rpm at this level. It is not difficult for me to burn 600 calories in 20 minutes at that rate.
 
i used it as an example, i havent a clue how man calories i burn whenever i exercise, dont even know how many calories i consume in a day.
 
Sorry dude but I think you're mistaken in your views on cardio, the human body needs cardio to stay healthy and intense cardio is not the best way to burn fat, your body is in optimum fat burning mode when your heart rate is at 50 - 80% of your MHR!
Rather than go through the reasons why visit this thread by a bro called fhg43 cos it's well worth it and very much to the point!
Reasons to do cardio...my 02 cents!
;)
 
i walk for 30-50mins after my weights training in the am, and 60mins in the am on non-weight training days.
Im a female w a bf of 21% wanting to get down to 18%.
Is this a good plan?
I weight train 4xp/w and cardio 6xp/w.
I have a clean diet. What kind of diet would you guys recommend for me. I feel 'stuck'!
 
rez said:
i walk for 30-50mins after my weights training in the am, and 60mins in the am on non-weight training days.
Im a female w a bf of 21% wanting to get down to 18%.
Is this a good plan?
I weight train 4xp/w and cardio 6xp/w.
I have a clean diet. What kind of diet would you guys recommend for me. I feel 'stuck'!
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You'll have better results cycling at heart rate +/- 70% of MHR.Do it at least 4 times a week for 30-45min.You'll love the result!
 
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